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    Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to him
    The UNO Charter states that the principle of the territorial integrity isn't applicable for the countries which do not secure equal rights for the nations and do not allow freedom of self-determination
    02.06.2007 GMT+04:00
    The history of the modern Azerbaijan goes almost according to Orwell, in spite of the historical facts and numerous confirmations about this or that land's belonging to various neighboring countries. To the territorial claims against Armenia the story with the Georgian monastery complex “Davit Garedji” is added now. Who Azerbaijan will sort out its relationship with next is hard to predict. It could be Dagestan, Iran, or Turkey. But before making any demands it is better to try and learn the history of the own nation and not to search any family tree where it doesn't exist; among Albanians, Persians, Turks etc.
    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ In 1918 the Musafat party (Equality) first used the term “Azerbaijan” for the area situated on the territory of two Transcaucasian historical areas; Shirvana and Arrana. Before that the place-name “Azerbaijan” only referred to the territories situated to the south of the River Arax, in the area of Tebriz, Ardebil and Lake Urmia. Later the land of Azerbaijan and Eastern Transcaucasia (modern Azerbaijan) were populated with people of almost identical ethnic origins. In 1936 Azerbaijan was integrated into USSR on the bases of the Soviet Republic rights. The Azeri Turks were officially called Azerbaijani; Azerbaijani was also the name of their official language. It was then, when with the decision of the Soviet Government the Azeri written language was translated from Latin to Cyrillic.

    This is how the things had been before Heydar Aliyev came to power in Azerbaijan. Taking the control of the country, he immediately decided to “revise” the history of the country. It was then, when Farida Mamedov's notorious work “The Caucasian Albania” appeared, Guliyev's book about medieval architecture of Albania where all the Armenian churches and khachkars were announced to be Albanian, i.e. Azerbaijani. All this enabled Baku to “revise” the belonging of the territories included in Az.USSR. The most interesting part is that the Deputy Minister of the Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan Khalaf Khalafov himself blurted out about the boarders. “In its time the USSR authorities didn't regard the issue of delimitation of the administrative rights among the former Soviet countries, which led to a number of problems in boarder delimitation. According to his words, often different documents referring to the issue of territories of this or that country contradict each other,” says Day.az. Historian Jamil Hasanly is sure that, “Many native Azeri territories have gone to the neighboring countries. Today we don't have to squander our territories. We must try to save what has been left to us after giving out Azeri lands, and today we cannot lose a single square meter”.

    The parties' incapacity of finding a peaceful solution of the controversies concerning the territorial integrity as well as the right of nations' self-determination leads to national conflicts growing into military confrontation. The principle of territorial integrity exclusively works for the protection of the country against external aggression, and this is closely interconnected with its formula in UNO Charter; “All the UN Members in their international relations refrain from force or its implementation against the territorial inviolability or political independence of any country, as well as any other method incompatible with the objectives of the UNO”. However the UNO Charter states that the principle of the territorial integrity isn't applicable for the countries which do not secure equal rights for the nations and do not allow freedom of self-determination, and this, perhaps, is the most essential point in the resolution of the Karabakh Conflict. It should be reminded that the nation's right on self-determination is considered to be one of the universally recognized principles of international law. It gained recognition in the process of the colonial system breakdown and was toughened in the Declaration of Independence of the colonial countries and nations (by the Resolution N 1514 XV of the UN General Assembly adopted on December 14, 1960) and the consequent international pacts and declarations of UNO.

    Creation of the multinational empires sooner or later brought to their breakdown; the Roman Empire, the Golden Horde, the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary, USSR. Being one of the most significant features of independence, territorial integrity became one of the weakest points after the USSR breakdown. The main difficulty concerns the change of the administrative bounds in the former Soviet Union into public ones. But if Kosovo falls apart from Serbia why Nagorno-Karabakh can't be proclaimed an independent Republic? Maybe because Serbia is of much less importance to the USA than Azerbaijan, yet for Russia everything is just vise versa. Unfortunately once again Armenia has found itself between two rocks, in spite of all international principles and treaties.
    «PanARMENIAN.Net» analytical department
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    Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

    Are they kidding about this because this is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard

    Karo

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    • #3
      Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

      I wanna say something! Azerians,Turkmens,Turks,Tajik, and Uzbek Nations are same racial groups! We speak Turkish with dialect! But we understand us very clearly! Oughuz Turks came from Central Asia to Anatolia in 10. and 11. and 12. centruies! Azerbejian ground was our migration bridge So Karabath is belongs to Armenia and Azerbajian! Please observe "Turan idea" and role of Armenians
      But Armenians helped Seljuk Turks to destroy Bzytium lands! And Seljuk Sultans' wife was Armenian and other emperors are half Armenian and Half Turk! All problems comes from history! By the way,Ottoman Sultans not Turk too,And Army too,,,ARMy soldiers was picking other nations(Greks,Bulgarians,Sirbians...etc)
      Last edited by ottomans; 08-03-2007, 02:23 AM.
      "Nobleman Ottoman Young" to trusts

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        Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

        I think so! All problems come from history! Anatolia Seljuks emperor "Giyassettin Keykusrev II. " was half Armenian!

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          Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

          Originally posted by ottomans View Post
          I wanna say something! Azerians,Turkmens,Turks,Tajik, and Uzbek Nations are same racial groups! We speak Turkish with dialect! But we understand us very clearly! Oughuz Turks came from Central Asia to Anatolia in 10. and 11. and 12. centruies! Azerbejian ground was our migration bridge So Karabath is belongs to Armenia and Azerbajian! Please observe "Turan idea" and role of Armenians
          But Armenians helped Seljuk Turks to destroy Bzytium lands! And Seljuk Sultans' wife was Armenian and other emperors are half Armenian and Half Turk! All problems comes from history! By the way,Ottoman Sultans not Turk too,And Army too,,,ARMy soldiers was picking other nations(Greks,Bulgarians,Sirbians...etc)
          Truth be known, you may only be 9% turk like most Turks from Turkey.
          So if you are one of the exceptions, why not leave us and join the Real Turks.

          Do you know your ethnic makup?

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            Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

            Originally posted by ottomans View Post
            I wanna say something! Azerians,Turkmens,Turks,Tajik, and Uzbek Nations are same racial groups! We speak Turkish with dialect! But we understand us very clearly! Oughuz Turks came from Central Asia to Anatolia in 10. and 11. and 12. centruies! Azerbejian ground was our migration bridge So Karabath is belongs to Armenia and Azerbajian! Please observe "Turan idea" and role of Armenians
            But Armenians helped Seljuk Turks to destroy Bzytium lands! And Seljuk Sultans' wife was Armenian and other emperors are half Armenian and Half Turk! All problems comes from history! By the way,Ottoman Sultans not Turk too,And Army too,,,ARMy soldiers was picking other nations(Greks,Bulgarians,Sirbians...etc)
            They are %90 true! Last of seljuk Sultans' wife was armenian! For example: Gıyassettin II. 's wife was Armenian! So Anatolian Seljuks was going to end! coz that armenian woman was only making intrigue! So Anatolia Seljuks went downhill,After tht Mongols destroyed Seljuks in Kösedağ war (Kösedağ/Sivas region) %10 is wrong which ones? only last sultans of Seljuks was half Armenian not all of the emperors! .............. All Turks know Gıyassettin II.'s wife was armenian and Ottoman sultans are not Turk..There are no exceptions

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              Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

              Originally posted by YAFES View Post
              They are %90 true! Last of seljuk Sultans' wife was armenian! For example: Gıyassettin II. 's wife was Armenian! So Anatolian Seljuks was going to end! coz that armenian woman was only making intrigue! So Anatolia Seljuks went downhill,After tht Mongols destroyed Seljuks in Kösedağ war (Kösedağ/Sivas region) %10 is wrong which ones? only last sultans of Seljuks was half Armenian not all of the emperors! .............. All Turks know Gıyassettin II.'s wife was armenian and Ottoman sultans are not Turk..There are no exceptions
              For the people who can not read English, or understand the tittles of Posts.

              The subject is -- Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them.

              It is not about you, seljerks, mongols, or any other things you mind made up.

              Don't believe everything you think!

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              • #8
                Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

                Do you know the ancestors! They were there before Christ! the Scythians are Turkish ancestors! We have been there more than for 2000 years! When our ancestors Scythians had comen there,No Armenian was on Land! We only strived with Emp. Great Iskender and persians! LAND BELONG TURAN!

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                • #9
                  Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

                  Yafes you're soo stupid it's funny man the sktians were a indo-european people like the saka ruka and manny other tribes in those steppes learn some real history lol rofl



                  EDIT: because you'r so dum I post some info abou the ancien Armenians

                  Hittite inscriptions deciphered by E. Forrer testify to the existence of a mountain country, the Hayasa, lying around the Lake of Van. Hayasa or Khayasa identified with Haik, Hayk or Hark, was inhabited before the coming of Armens. The suffix sa of Hayasa corresponds to the stan, derivative of Hayasatan (Armenia). Greeks knew about this country (Hayasa) and their writers wrote about armenians or hayers. The cuneiform tablets of Boghaz Keuy have preserved the names of four succesive kings who ruled in Hayasa. They were Karannish, Mariyash, Hukkanash and Anniyash, the four covering a period of 55 years, from 1390 to 1335 B.C.



                  The first-named of this kings made incursions into the Hatti or Hittite empire, which were checked by the Emperor Dudhaliyash and hid successor, Subbiluliuma. Mariyash, the next king of Hayasa, who had married a Hittite princess, was punished with death because of his breach of matrimonial contract. Hukkanash, the third in the line, also married a Hittite princess, the sister of the Emperor Subbiluliuma.

                  The marriage treaty of this couple contained some interesting stipulations peculiar to the time. “My sister, whom I gave you in marriage,” says the Hatti rular, “ has sisters; through your marriage, they now become your relatives. Well, there is a law in the land of the Hatti. Do not approach sisters-in-law or your cousins; that is not permitted. In Hatti Land, whosoever commits such an act does not live; he dies. . . In your country, you do not hesitate to marry your own sister-in-law or cousin, because you are not civilized. Such an act cannot be permitted in Hatti.”



                  Despite these restrictions imposed upon Hukkanash, he was no meek and submissive brother-in-law in political and military affairs. As a condition for the release of the thousands of Hittite prisoners held in his domain, he demanded first the return home of the Hayasan prisoners confined at Hatti. The Hittite Empire had been subject to contant harassment by its eastern neighbors, from the basin of the upper Euphrates to Aravanna (Erevan of today) and Tebruzzi (Tabriz). One of the most important of these enemies crouched on its eastern border was the kingdom of Hayasa-Azzi (the name Azzi represents the Alzi or Alzini of the Assyrian and Urartean inscriptions).



                  "Mursil, the Hittite Emperor," say Cavaignac, speaking of that period, " was busy in the wars waged against Azzi or Hayasa, which were as bitter as those waged against Arzava (Weatern Cilicia). About the beginning of Subbiluliuma's reign, that country (Hayasa-Azzi) was subject to Hittite influence, but won its freedom later on. Annyash, the King of Hayasa, had sacked several districts and refused to release the prisoners taken. He had created a political uniom of the tribes of Armenia, and organized a kingdom which extended from the River Iris (Yerhil-Irmak) to the Lake of Van."



                  Hayasa's good fortune did not continue long, however. The Hittite Mursil II, having consulted the oracles, invaded Hayasa in 1340 B.C. In the following spring he crossed the Euphrates and reorganized his army at Ingalova-Angegh, Angl-which, about ten centuries later, was to become the treasure-house and burial-place of the captured fortresses lay on the west side of the Lake of Van.



                  The Annals of Mursil thus describe these campaigns:



                  "The people of Nahasse arose and besieged" (name indecipher-able).



                  "Other enemies and people of Hayasa likewise. . . . They plundered Institina, blockaded Ganuvara. . . with troops and chariots. And because I had left Nuvanzas, the chief cupbearer, and all the heads of the camp and troops and chariots in the High Country, I wrote to Nuvanzas as follows; "See, the people of Hayasa. . . have devastated Institina, and blockaded the city of Ganuvara." . . . And Nuvanza led troops and chariots for aid and marched to Ganuvara. . . And then he sent to me a messenger and wrote to me; "Will you not go to consult for me the augur and the foreteller? Could not a decision be made for me by the birds and the flesh of the expiatory victims?" "And I sent to Nuvanza this letter: 'See, I consulted for you birds and flesh, and they commanded, Go! because these people of Hayasa, the God U, has already delivered to you; strike them!' "And as I was returning from Astatan to Carchemish, the royal prince Nana-Lu came to meet me on the road and said, 'The Hayasan enemy having besieged Ganuvara. Nuvanza marche against him and met him under the walls of Ganuvara. Ten thousand men and seven hundred chariots were drawn up in battle against him, and Nuvanza defeated them. There are many dead and many prisoners.' " "And when I arrived in Tiggaramma, the chief cup-bearer Nuvanza and all the noblemen came to meet me at Tiggaramma. I Should have marched to Hayasa still, but the chiefs said to me, 'The season is now far advanced, Sire, Lord! Do not go to Hayasa.' And I did not go to Hayasa. Hayasa as a fighting power was practically eliminated by the expedition of Mursil II in 1340 B.C. But after Mursil's premature death in 1320 B.C. the Hatti empire suffered a series of shocks. His elder brother Arvandas (Erouand) had also died young. A natural phenomenon, the eclipse of the sun, had terrified the people. A dreadful epidemic of some sort took a vast number of lives, including that of the Queen. The population of the capital was decimated to such a degree as to require the forced immigration of new inhabitants from adjoining countries. Taking advantage of the ensuing debacle, Mursil's nephew, Arma-u-as (Aramais?), contested against the heir-apparent for the succession to the crown. Still more serious was the menace of the sucession to the crown. Still more serious was the menace of the external enemies of the land, especially those of the North and East, who devastated the country in revenge for Mursil's conquests. A record exists of the incursion of the Kaskas or Kaskians, who crossed the Halys River with 800 chariots and advanced as far as the capital, which they plundered.



                  The King was compelled to remove the idols and the paraphernalia for the worship of the dead to a safer place. The Kaskas-whose home was Armenia- attacked by way of Amasia. Leonard King describes them as an "unruly people" living between the Euphrates and the Lake of Van, and a constant menace to the Hatti. "No Hatti King," says he, "was able to establish his power there permanemtly." It may therefore be safely assumed that Hayasa still exerted its influence. In any case, however, the days of Hattite hegemony were munbered. The Assyrians forged ahead and gradually spread their domination over southern and western Armenia.


                  SOURCES
                  Armenian History​ - Armenians, History of Armenia. Armenian Mythology, Armenian Culture, Armenian Religion, Kings and Queens, Maps of Armenia.


                  So you're theories are very stupid and stop claiming people to be Turkish if they aren't
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                  Last edited by KarotheGreat; 08-10-2007, 12:54 PM.

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                    Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

                    Abush turk

                    Miyayn zenkov guka Hayots prgutyun!!!

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