"Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

And this you were able to gather from a one line quote out of Shakespeare that somehow found its way in one single post out of a hundred forty two.
It seems as if you are a genius.
My own limited intellectual means make me feel uneasy in such company. Allow me to retire.

Don't just spit poison and run away. Show us instead your high intellect and open a thread dedicated to Armenian poets and make contributions there for the benefit of your fellow Armenians.

[axel]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

Well, all my contributions are there "for the benefit of my fellow Armenians", enger.
But to be honest, I am really starting to get tired "of my fellow Armenians", including "true nationalists", as it appears my contributions are nothing more than a total waste of time and energy.

[crusader1492]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

Well, all my contributions are there "for the benefit of my fellow Armenians", enger.
But to be honest, I am really starting to get tired "of my fellow Armenians", including "true nationalists", as it appears my contributions are nothing more than a total waste of time and energy.

Poor baby. Perhaps you should post a letter of complaint about your "fellow Armenians" and post it on www.hetq.am for all the world to see.
That seems to be the trend among "false nationalists" (especially the self-professed ones), when their feelings get hurt.

[axel]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

Believe it or not, barab g.... (ask Armenian to help you out fill out the dots), my post was censored. No room for false nationalists! Only true nationalists and true democrats allowed.

[crusader1492]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

Believe it or not, barab g.... (ask Armenian to help you out fill out the dots), my post was censored. No room for false nationalists! Only true nationalists and true democrats allowed.

Calm down enger. There is no need to cast dispersions.
Take a few minutes and come back when you are ready to post a response that is not written out of anger.

[crusader1492]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

A recent article related to the subject of this thread...After reading it, it makes you wonder why this French-Armenian Entrepreneur couldn't wait until after the February elections to post his letter.

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg216468.html

Vartan Oskanian: "Do Not Destabilize The Country"

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

Well, all my contributions are there "for the benefit of my fellow Armenians", enger.
But to be honest, I am really starting to get tired "of my fellow Armenians", including "true nationalists", as it appears my contributions are nothing more than a total waste of time and energy.

I believe that you mean well, axel. And I don't think that your contributions are "waste of time and energy". So, don't give up and run. Stay and keep contributiung.

BUT first, please A) Understand the severity of the danger presently facing our country. Understand that there are forces who pray (and pay) to see Armenians kill eachother, and B) Don't attack good hearted, patriotic people like crusader1492, because that is exactly what our enemies want.

[Armenian]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

I happen to have met him before he left. He went there with truly patriotic feelings. If his feelings have changed then there is something really wrong going on there.

Like I stated in my last post, I found out who this "Armen" is. I knew of him while I was in Shushi. Even back then people were warning me about him. Two close disporan friends of mine know him well - personally. The character in question is problematic and strange, according to their account. Apparently, the idiot even tried to get into politics there... Judging from Armen's behavior/rhetoric he seems to be very troublesome.

I know you are an intelligent person, Axel. All you have to do now is add objectivity and reason to your intelligence. Armenia/Artsakh and the Caucasus is not western Europe. If "his feelings have changed" then it's his misconceptions, misunderstandings and immaturity at fault. There is also a big personal factor in this that you are not taking into consideration. If it matters to you, I know two families from the New York area and one from Boston that have started businesses in Artsakh, without serious problems - relatively speaking of course.

Armenia is not the diaspora's laboratory experiment.

Frankly, we don't need Armenians like this Armen character in Armenia or Artsakh. These troubled diasporans should stay in their "law abiding" nations of residence and allow the Armenian Republic to 'evolve' and 'progress' naturally.

It seems that you know very little about me which does not prevent you from making wild assumptions. This is not the first one in this thread.

It seems that you are assuming too much. The Armenian world is quite small

There is absolutely no reason why the theme of corruption should be left to Soros&co sponsored opposition. This is in fact their main argument. Not addressing it allows them to prosper. Such a position cannot be justified politically speaking unless the regime is entirely corrupt itself. And if it is, it is acting against national interests, period.

It has to do with approach/method and, at times, intent. Most of the approaches I have seen in 'fighting corruption' are counter-productive and irrational. And some times the intents have been suspicious. Nevertheless, often times corruption in nations are gradually phased-out as economic stability and peace are maintained. The Armenian nations has been continuously destroyed for a thousand years. What's more, Armenia today is located in perhaps the most dangerous and unstable environment in the world. We have had the centuries long subjugation, the genocide, Bolshevism, Soviet collapse, etc...

The problems derived from the aforementioned aspects of Armenian historiography cannot be remedied in a matter of years, often times it will take generations of stability and progress to fix these problem. Europe is a perfect example of this.

Yes, we should all voice our concerns about corruption and about various other ailments of our nation. However, let's do so responsibly, objectively and let's take into serious consideration all the social/political factors that effect our nation. Sadly, our anti-corruption champions don't take these nuances of our national reality very seriously and, as a result, end up making the already bad situation worst. Just take a look at the Hetq discussion, it has become an anti-Armenia, anti-Artsakh, anti-Hayastantsi, anti-diaspora, anti-government hate fest. Simply disgusting. This is 'not' how one can have a positive impact on the nation.

So, ask yourself this question: What has Armen's psychological problems has gotten us? Simply, this upsetting comment from a native Armenian:

Axpars [derogatory term for diasporan Armenia], food bought on your "humanitarian" $$ will be womitted. Roads paved on your "donations" will be redone. Used cloths sent to our children will be burned.

You you see how approach and method have a great effect on the matter?

Nevertheless, even with all of Armenia's current socio-political problems the Armenian Republic is doing much-much better than other comparable nations who have even milder geopolitical/sociopolitical problems. There is clear progress within all spectrum of the Armenian republic. Against all odds, the overall situation in Armenia is improving. And the last thing we need now is a "western inspired" revolution...

Since I cannot place any hope in the political maturity of Armenians, I expect the Armenian authorities to crack down hard on the troublesome masses.

And wake up, there is no such thing as true democracy or justice anywhere on earth. Those with power essentially create the 'illusion' of justice and democracy towards political purposes. And this illusion of democracy and justice only exists, in various degrees, within certain parts of the world.

"Those in possession of absolute power can not only prophesy and make their prophecies come true, but they can also lie and make their lies come true," Hoffer

Armenians, as a collective people, are 'not' ready to attempt democracy. God forbid.

Well no I am in fact much dumber than you may imagine.

I know you are very intelligent and a well read young man. But I see you have some emotional problems. It's natural, we are human beings, all of us have 'emotional' issues. But try not to let your feelings/emotions to get in the way of your reason and objectivity.

"domestic garbage"

Armenians who don't have a healthy comprehension of what it means to be an Armenian...

Armenians who don't understand the concept of the fatherland/motherland...

Armenians who may be proud diasporans but hold no connections to the homeland...

Armenians who have hate towards Armenians from different regions...

Armenians who are materialistic...

Armenians who are ignorant...

Armenians who are selfish/egotistical...

Armenians who are self-hating...

Armenians who are assimilated...

etc...

In my opinion, the above characteristics describe perhaps a majority of Armenians alive today. These people are the "garbage" of our nation. In other words, since they are of no good use to the Armenian nation, they are essentially waste products. And allowing any kind of a waste product to accumulate, without getting rid of it, is bad for the overall health of any given society.

[Armenian]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

I posted this in Hetq as well: http://www.hetq.am/eng/karabakh/7439/

Armenia is not the diaspora's laboratory experiment. Frankly, we don't need Armenians like this Armen character in Armenia or in Artsakh. These troubled diasporans should stay in their "law abiding" nations of residence and allow the Armenian Republic to 'evolve' and 'progress' naturally.

And all these 'English language' websites and foreign organizations need to get shutdown by the authorities. These organizations in question do 'not' serve the interests of the Armenian Republic, they simply serve the geopolitical interests of Washington DC. Which reminds me of a very applicable comment made by Vladimir Putin recently in the Times Magazine interview:

Interviewer Adi Ignatius - "We began by asking him [Putin] why the Russian election was not more open and why opposition leader and former chess champion Gary Kasparov was arrested."

Vladimir Putin - "Well, what do you think? Why did Mr. Kasparov, when arrested, speak English rather than Russian? Think about it... Before everything, the whole thrust of this thing was directed towards other countries rather than the Russian people. And when a person works the crowds of another nation rather than the Russian nation it tell you something..."

I reiterate: All these dubious organizations in the Armenian Republic need to get shutdown - for they are terminal cancers within our fledgling nation. And troublesome individuals such as Onnik Krikorian, Tony Halpin, John Hugues, Van Krikorian, Richard Kirakosyan, Levon Ter Petrosian & company and many other similar characters need to be expelled from our republic.

[TomServo]

Re: "Harsh reality" (HR) or "Armenian National Interest"(ANI)???

I guess we all need a hefty dose of disillusionment every once in a while.