USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

[KarotheGreat]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

Wait weren't those bastards also selling weapons to Georgia before they attacked SO? Do you think this pastern will repeat itself. And look all those new guns we are getting for free don't they look nice lol

[Anoush]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

Anoush, as we have at home a huge quantity of books related to the genocide and it's aftermath, I'm still looking for your request of the exact phrasing concerning the personal factors, and will quote it asap, but funny, altough I read it several years ago, I can remember the circumstances how and when I read it, but can't remember in which book and even in what language, but patience, I will find it soon enough, it become a challenge for me. in what concerns the lausanne treaty, the turkish side was represented by ismet pacha inonu and riza bek who both refused categorically any participation of armenian delegates who were obliged to work outside the conference table. of course the turkish party was encouraged by the ww1winning countries attitude who changed drastically their attitude towards the armenian side and were now looking after mining concessions in turkey, ways to built pipelines for the the iraqi and bakou oil to bring it to the mediterranean sea -an example is the question of an american congressman who asked 'is there oil in armenia' and after receipt of a negative answer changed his attitude, p.s. I can mention the source of this example which is p balakian's the burning tigris, I read it two years ago- so finally the lausanne treaty come to it's final text where no where the words armenian or armenia is mentioned, and does not bear any armenian signature. of course big number of books have been published but I can recommend you to read either kersam aharonian's houshamadyan mez yegherny, where lausanne part is narrated in very accessible way with the minutes of the conference, but without mention of it's articles or at the extreme opposite a very professional study by moussa prince, an author of a study on the genocide in several volumes of which the second volume, un genocide impuni, l'armenocide,
-he is the inventor of the word armnocide- which includes a detailed analysis of lausanne treaty articles and their impact, including also l. pachlian's -member of the armenian delegation- correspondence with the secretary of the s.d.n. the predecessor of today's u.n. which also analyses the impact of this treaty on the armenians.

Thank you muchly dear Vasbourakan, Although I happen to have Peter Ballakian's book 'The Burning Tigris', but I didn't read it yet. I will, then somehow I'll get Kersam Aharonian's Houshamadyan Medz Yegherni. Merci pal.

[vasbourakan1]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

hi Anoush, sorry for my late reply, just forgot for a while, as I was looking for your request, I siezed the occasion to effect some rereadings and refresh memory. It's good that you asked the wording related to 'personal factors', I must mention that this was not a turkish delegation member and I apologize for the wrong info, , but worse, the confession came from Aristide Briand, who at the time that he said these words had already left office, and was trying in a way to justify the attitude of the ww1 winning countries of not respecting their committments towards the armenians, so he looked very embarassed and evoked involved interests -without mentionning them- as well as personal reasons of the treaty participants. having said this I would like you to know that reading about history either in books, official papers, reports or the technicolor books -white book, blue book, etc- all this stuff is for the history, but parallel to the foregoing there are also reported conversations, correspondence, etc, which are not always reachable to the public, and you have to search for them, and what you find there is that how history is made. of course you have also to read between the lines, just to give an example here is a link, a french one,
http://hist.net/kieser/ma10/Lausanne1922-23.html which gives a pretty image of my idea, also there are other sites where are mentioned the financial transactions between the turks, the iraq petroleum company, the british, etc
http://www.uni-miskolc.hu/~wwwdrint/20042kovacs1.htm being one of them. this second site explanes that why after all these years -again reading between the lines, that the turkish party did not swallow the loss of Irak and their perpetual incursions there to so called fight the pkk. I mentioned this second site because the maps there show a promised kurdish homeland which is situated also partly on armenian lands. so amid all these I still maintain that turks, as well as western countries have two policies, one of which is the official one and public, and the other is secret and constant. In what concerns us the secret and constant policy of turkey is the annihilation of the armenians. they tried this in the past, they are trying also today, and they will not stop trying in the future what so ever are and will be their declarations and positions

[truAnatolian]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

Ive been noticing maps of kurdistan have been starting to include parts of Armenia more regularly. That wasn't the case before, or atleast I hadn't noticed.