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  • #41
    Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

    'truAnatolian', if you think that forsaking Russia is a good thing for Armenia, you are severely ignorant of geopolitics in the Caucases. I don't even think LTP f'ags would be that dumb/unpatriotic. This latest statement from the azeri scum proves that Armenia is not safe from the turkish hordes. Don't be a fool, please read up on the current political/military situation before you make foolish statements about Armenia's relationship with Russia, or any other country for that matter.

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    Azerbaijan: Military Option Still on the Table
    source: Asbarez

    BAKU (Combined Sources)--Azerbaijan's leader has effectively disavowed an earlier understanding that the Nagorno-Karaback conflict can be resolved politically, leaving the militarily option once again on the table.

    In an interview with RAI International TV, while on a visit to Italy, President Ilham Aliyev said he remained optimistic about an “easy solution” to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict if “Armenia abided by the principles of the declaration signed in Moscow.”

    But Aliyev insisted the nonbinding document signed between the Armenian, Azerbaijani and Russian presidents earlier this month still left a military option open for Baku to reestablish control over Nagorno-Karabakh, which has been independent from Azerbaijan since the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 90s.

    “There is not a single commitment [in the declaration] that would keep Azerbaijan from resorting to a military option,” the Azerbaijani leader underscored.

    Aliyev's statement is in stark contrast to the assurances by Armenia's top leadership and governing forces that nonuse of force has been one of the fundamental achievements of the November 2 declaration in which the signatories pledge an intensified search for a “peaceful, political resolution to the conflict” based on the ongoing negotiations led by the OSCE's Minsk Group. The document further stresses the importance of continued efforts by the Group's American, French and Russian co-chairs to work out the basic principles of a Karabakh settlement acceptable to the conflicting parties.

    The part of the declaration referring to 'a political solution' has been presented in Armenia as a provision that largely excludes a military solution to the Karabakh conflict. Critics of the Armenian government, however, as well as officials in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic itself have expressed their concerns that Stepanakert's absence from among the signatories of the Moscow document might mean that Armenia has formally supplanted the republic from further talks.

    Commenting on this, Aliyev argued that by signing, the Armenian leadership admitted the conflict was between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

    “It had not been so before as Armenia had tried to prove to all that the conflict is between Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh,” Aliyev said.

    “Second of all, the declaration calls for a settlement of the conflict based on international norms and principles. It means that the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council calling on Armenia's armed forces to end the occupation of Azerbaijan's territories must be respected,” Aliyev said.

    Aliyev's statements come less almost two weeks after Azeri Azeri Armed Forces fired at Nagorno-Karabakh Republic border units in an attempt to infiltrate the south-eastern border in Fizuli, violating the cease-fire agreement and the recently signed declaration in Moscow.

    The operation, which continued until the early hours of the next morning, was rebuffed by the Nagorno -Karabakh Armed Forces, which successfully forced the Azeri forces to retreat.

    The assault occured as the three co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group were visiting Karabakh as part of their conflict resolution effort in the region.

    The OSCE held a crisis monitoring mission near the Fizuli region earlier this week.

    The news also follows Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan's announcement late Tuesday that the foreign ministers of Armenia, Turkey and Azerabiajan would meet on December 4-5 for talks in Helsinki on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

    Thursday, November 27, 2008

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    • #42
      Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

      Armenia didn't attack them, and we continue to try to make peaceful gestures towards them by inviting them to talks without preconditions. This doesn't stop Azerbaijan from threatening military force to take back lands which never belonged to them, and it doesn't stop Turkey from supporting them 100% and keeping us in a virtual seige.
      When did minor states put precondition for talking? This does not show how peaciful you are but how weak you are..

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      • #43
        Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

        My point was that Armenia is not the warmongering side and we should not be ashamed to claim all the liberated territories from Azerbaijan, which is a warmongering nation. And we are relatively weak compared to Turkey+Azerbaijan, which further backs my point that we shouldn't make any concessions. It will only put is in a weaker position, because Turkey and Azerbaijan have no intention of making peace with an independent Armenian state (their actions in the last 100+ years backs up my point).

        And according to this reality which many Armenians can plainly see, the only entity that has enough power, presence in the region, and political will and interest to protect Armenia from the more powerful Turkish/Azeri alliance is the Russian Federation.

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        • #44
          Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

          My point was that Armenia is not the warmongering side
          Hmm, An azeri will not be agree with you.

          we should not be ashamed to claim all the liberated territories from Azerbaijan, which is a warmongering nation.
          Ashamed? Haha. You are not ashamed, You are afraid ..

          And we are relatively weak compared to Turkey+Azerbaijan, which further backs my point that we shouldn't make any concessions.
          You cannot take anything without giving something and I think, You cannot protect your nation with such situation. In long term. So at least, in long term, You should give something..

          It will only put is in a weaker position, because Turkey and Azerbaijan have no intention of making peace with an independent Armenian state (their actions in the last 100+ years backs up my point).
          Hmm, You are thinking Turkey or azerbaijan as a person. Infact, They follow collective benefits of their people. (So you can bribe these countries.)

          In fact, Turkey and Azerbaijan alliance can be broken too.. Both people fought with each other much more than armenians.(Of course, we are talking about long terms. In short or middle term, alliance will continue.)

          Last 100 year? Hmm, want to look last 100 year of europa..

          And according to this reality which many Armenians can plainly see, the only entity that has enough power, presence in the region, and political will and interest to protect Armenia from the more powerful Turkish/Azeri alliance is the Russian Federation.
          Indeed but what can you do against russia? Putting all eggs to one basket is dangerous.. Russia is not protecting you, She is following her own benefit. What will happen, If her benefits are against your benefits? what can you do?

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          • #45
            Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

            1. Azeris are the extremely biased. They have no interest in observing things objectively. Atleast in armenian community you see discussion. Azeri identity is based entirely on being anti-armenian, there is nothing else and you know this too be fact.

            2. We`ll tell you what our emotions are. They are not for you to decide. How scared were we when we fought for karabakhi independence 20,000 vs. 40,000? lol... scared yegher.

            3. What should we give turkey? You already took so much what more do we have to give to you? Azerbaijan knows they will get back all the territories except karabakh and lachin + They`ve already been given nakichevan.

            4. I know Turkeys and Azeri`s are no brothers. They fought for 1000`s of years as ottoman vs. safavid. Sunni vs. Shi`te. Azeri`s are looked down upon in Turkey, I have read all about it.

            Turkey will just use Azerbaijan to try and finish the 1915 job, trying to effectively appear as a non-party while justifying it by using a second karabakh war.

            If russia decides to screw us over, they loose their only ally in the caucasus. They lose their military base, and we let America move in. Oh... and the richest russian bankers (armenians) pull their billions out of russian economy and banking system and watch the country fall into dismay.

            This is all hypothetical ofcourse. I hope none of this ever occurs.

            Also, your a fool if you think Turkey will be around forever. You know how many times anatolia changed hands during history? No one gets to hold it forever. No one.
            Last edited by truAnatolian; 11-28-2008, 02:41 PM.

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            • #46
              Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

              Originally posted by Palavra
              Hmm, An azeri will not be agree with you.
              Irrelevant to reality.


              Originally posted by Palavra
              Ashamed? Haha. You are not ashamed, You are afraid ..
              We have Russia on our side. And the Azeri army was defeated by civilian volunteers. Now Karabagh has a trained army. So add those up.


              Originally posted by Palavra
              You cannot take anything without giving something and I think, You cannot protect your nation with such situation. In long term. So at least, in long term, You should give something..
              Turkey and Azerbaijan have taken enough. Look at a map. Its interesting, you want Armenia to have peace only when it is too small to defend itself. Azerbaijan needs to stop demanding lands that have never belonged to them. Thats the root of the problem. Asking Armenia to compromise on a baseless demand is only going to make things worse.


              Originally posted by Palavra
              Hmm, You are thinking Turkey or azerbaijan as a person. Infact, They follow collective benefits of their people. (So you can bribe these countries.)
              Thats ridiculous. Ask the average Azeri living in poverty how much the oil wealth has benefitted them. Ask King Aliyev's opposition why they were gagged by the media and the authorities. Ask the Talysh, Lezgins and other minorities in Azerbaijan how they are treated by the government. Ask writers and journalists in Turkey why they are on trial or in jail for writing articles. Ask Turkish people about the "deep state". Do I really have to give you more examples?


              Originally posted by Palavra
              Indeed but what can you do against russia? Putting all eggs to one basket is dangerous.. Russia is not protecting you, She is following her own benefit. What will happen, If her benefits are against your benefits? what can you do?
              Armenia has good relations with everyone except Turkey and Azerbaijan. It is one of the few countries that has friendly relations with the U.S., EU, Russia and Iran at the same time. But when it comes to the threat of an external invasion, the ONLY practical partner is Russia.

              And its in Russia's benefit to secure Armenia. Their geopolitical agenda in the Caucasus favors it.

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              • #47
                Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

                For the one hundreth time ban the pest known as palavra. If he comes here to discuss then ok, but he has insulted Armenia and Armenians multiple times in just the past 24 hours.
                For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                • #48
                  Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

                  Irrelevant to reality.
                  irrelevant to your reality.

                  We have Russia on our side. And the Azeri army was defeated by civilian volunteers. Now Karabagh has a trained army. So add those up.
                  Than tell me, why dont ROA accept karabagh independence? Because ashamed?

                  By the way, dont you find it interesting, Russia did not attack georgian main land. So She has her limits too..

                  Its interesting, you want Armenia to have peace only when it is too small to defend itself. Azerbaijan needs to stop demanding lands that have never belonged to them. Thats the root of the problem. Asking Armenia to compromise on a baseless demand is only going to make things worse.
                  I want? If you did not get benefit from peace, do not want peace. Question is how much longer you can live with status qua.(If we suppose, It wont become worse.)

                  I am not asking ROA anything, I am just stating a fact. Without giving anything, You cannot take anything. So what can ROA offer azeris or Turkey? Absolutely not brotherhood.

                  Thats ridiculous. Ask the average Azeri living in poverty how much the oil wealth has benefitted them. Ask King Aliyev's opposition why they were gagged by the media and the authorities. Ask the Talysh, Lezgins and other minorities in Azerbaijan how they are treated by the government. Ask writers and journalists in Turkey why they are on trial or in jail for writing articles. Ask Turkish people about the "deep state". Do I really have to give you more examples?
                  Eh. cant you say same for russia or armenia too.

                  when Gül went to ROA reason is not friendship but benefit of state.

                  For the one hundreth time ban the pest known as palavra. If he comes here to discuss then ok, but he has insulted Armenia and Armenians multiple times in just the past 24 hours.
                  Not I refrain to insult armenians(After all, you are insulting turks non-stop.), but can you show me where did I insult armenians?

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                  • #49
                    Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

                    Originally posted by Palavra
                    Than tell me, why dont ROA accept karabagh independence? Because ashamed?
                    Its playing politics.


                    Originally posted by Palavra
                    By the way, dont you find it interesting, Russia did not attack georgian main land. So She has her limits too..
                    Russian troops were occupying the main Georgian port of Poti, they took Goris, and they were less than 50 km from Tbilisi. What are you talking about...


                    Originally posted by Palavra
                    I am not asking ROA anything, I am just stating a fact. Without giving anything, You cannot take anything. So what can ROA offer azeris or Turkey? Absolutely not brotherhood.
                    Please tell me what right Azeris have on Karabagh. Tell me why Armenia should grant concessions to the losing side. Tell me what Turkey has to do with an Armenian/Azeri conflict other than the fact they want to see Armenia destroyed.


                    Originally posted by Palavra
                    Eh. cant you say same for russia or armenia too.

                    when Gül went to ROA reason is not friendship but benefit of state.
                    You're right... but you were saying that governments follow the collective benefits of the people, which is not true. Sometimes the government's agenda benefits the people, sometimes it doesn't.

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                    • #50
                      Re: Slavic Dogs ruining our reations with Georgia...

                      Its playing politics.
                      Why? did she afraid from something?

                      Russian troops were occupying the main Georgian port of Poti, they took Goris, and they were less than 50 km from Tbilisi. What are you talking about...
                      And retreated. who is ruling georgia before war and after war? same stupid politician.

                      Please tell me what right Azeris have on Karabagh.
                      Should ask it to azeris.

                      By the way, I am not interested with right. Infact noone interest with right at international politics. It is might. You should learn it before.


                      Tell me why Armenia should grant concessions to the losing side.
                      Absolutely nothing but can you stay as a winner side? If you are sure about it, give nothing.

                      Tell me what Turkey has to do with an Armenian/Azeri conflict other than the fact they want to see Armenia destroyed.
                      Hmm, firstly we are love with each other so Turkey support azeris.
                      Secondly, We are enemy with armenia, So we help azeris.
                      Thirdly, azeris have oil and you have nothing except poor people(I do not refuse our help with blockade.) Most probably, This is main reason for our support.

                      You're right... but you were saying that governments follow the collective benefits of the people, which is not true. Sometimes the government's agenda benefits the people, sometimes it doesn't.
                      Well, goverment always say, his agenda is benefits the people. Of course, sometimes some people prefer to benefit themself instead of nation. This is same at all nations.

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