Political prisoners in Armenia

[Yedtarts]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

What was sold (betrayed ) was our right to our claim of our forefathers land. These are not our ancient lands but our historic lands.



You seem to lack basic knownedge of our history and some basic logic.




Its not a dream but our faith that one day these lands would be returned to us.



We do not have Karabagh. Nobody recognizes it as ours, not even Armenia.
Listen to the words of our beloved president. He calls it "a process", "the solution" but never "its ours".
More ominously the signed document arguably makes it more difficult to call it ours.

Thank you for answering to Tongue's comments, I guess they were addressed to me? How come I don't see it, where did it go?

[Yedtarts]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I will answer to this one:

Originally Posted by Tongue
Our ancient lands in Turkey were not necessarily our hayrenik, hardly any Armenian resides in them,

Maybe it's not yours but it is mine for sure, and it's the Hayrenik of thousands and thousands of Armenians like me because my grandfather was born there and my grand grandfathers were born and buried there so were their grad grandfathers.

[JohnCanadian]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Unfortunately human rights in the former Soviet Union have gotten worse since the fall of the Soviet Union, the number of political prisoners in Armenia has surged a very worrying sign.

Political Prisoners in Armenia should be freed without hesitation.

[Armanen]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

What have you done for Armenia, or yet how many time you have visited?

When gangsters and crooks rule our country it is our sacred duty to make sure that these criminals are out and not able to take decisions which will affect every Armenian, be it in Armenia or in Diaspora. These criminals who pocket millions of $$$ and gamble it away in places such as Monte Carlo, which some of it are donations from Diaspora Armenians to make Armenia a better place for all Armenians.

Putting our heroes in prison is not placing our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations

I visit it every other year if not every year for about 2 months. The money I and my friends and family spend is quite a bit and we do not just stay in Yerevan. I also donate to the Armenia Fund as well as ATP. I wasn't trying to say that I do a lot, just that I actually go to the country even though there is still a number of other places in the world I would like to visit.

It is annoying when so called 'patriotic' Armenians, who can afford to, have never been to the Homeland, but have been to Lebanon or Greece or what have you but never to Armenia. Yet, some of these types are shouting the loudest about how bad the protocols are, etc.


As for the corruption, we have been over this a lot, no one here is saying it is a good thing or that we shouldn't try to change it, but it should not be an excuse not to visit Armenia or move there. Some of these things are systemic and they will change when people like yourself move there and when the ones born in Armenia begin to push for less corruption, otherwise talking about it on forums or holding out on visits to Armenia will not change the deeply entrenched behaviors.

Oh, and those criminals in Yerevan are nothing compared to the ones in washington, I hope you realize that.

[Haykakan]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I also go as often as i can and when i buy stuff i rarely ask for change. It is hard to explain what going there feels like, it is something you need to experience yourself. Due to the bad economy i couldn't afford to go this year but i still sent my son and wife because i want my kid to feel what it is like to be armenian and to see that there is such a thing as Armenia. Sending my son to Armenia establishes a connection for him with the country and the people. He enjoys going there from a early age and it is like a regular thing for him. If the diasporans sent their childeren to Hayastan (many do already) on a regular basis they would be doing their childeren and their country a huge favor.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I think Russia (and the Russian mafia) are calling the shots for all these political arrests (and leading the Armenian mafia/government).

I know it sounds like an 'obvious' statement but I've read many comments here that lead me to believe that many who have replied here think otherwise. It's a shame so many who fought for all Armenians in Artsakh are now treated worse than the criminals in Armenia.

[Haykakan]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I think Russia (and the Russian mafia) are calling the shots for all these political arrests (and leading the Armenian mafia/government).

I know it sounds like an 'obvious' statement but I've read many comments here that lead me to believe that many who have replied here think otherwise. It's a shame so many who fought for all Armenians in Artsakh are now treated worse than the criminals in Armenia.

Fighting in a war does not give you the right to overthrow the government.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Fighting in a war does not give you the right to overthrow the government.

No one said so, but if you believe that, you'll believe anything. Do you really think someone who volunteered his life, from America, Lebanon, Syria, or wherever...would want to commit violence against Armenians for political reasons? This is absurd. Most of these accusations were thrown around long before the protocols were admitted to. Maybe they were taking a 'pre-emptive strike'? Is that what you're suggesting?



Accusations should be proven, not used as a tool to smash critics. This is the difference between a free society and a 3rd world sh.thole.

It's accusations of 'treason' that were behind the Tashnag murder of http://ghevonttourian.com/

It's accusations of 'treason' that allowed communists to kill Tashnags from 1922-?

It's accusations of 'treason' that made Hunchags/Tashnags kill each other during a soccer game.

It's...

[Haykakan]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Accusations should be proven, not used as a tool to smash critics
Thats funny that you say this because this is exactly what a bunch of people including you are doing to the armenian authorities.

[avetis]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Հաը ժողովուրդ քո վերչին օրերնես ապրում քանի վոր հողերը վաճառված է և քո վերչին հայրենանվեր քաղաքացին հայ թուրքերի կողմից հոկտեմբերի 27 կբանտարկվի մի 10 տարով և կասկածելի ՝է թե նա բանտից դուրս կգա թե չէ. Բոլորի լուռ մնալը ցույստվեց վոր հայրենասիրությունը մահացած է . Ես այլեվս ոչինչ չունեմ այլեվս գրելու քանզի դուք բոլորտ զբաղվածեք.
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