Political prisoners in Armenia

[jgk3]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Everybody is a millionaire on the Internet and I don't like most of the anti-Hayastan an rhetorics I've been reading lately. But be the bigger men and let the reader decide who is right, there are alot of people reading this Forum and we need to stand above the insults and show our point in a good manner and respectful.

Exactly. Mukuch, take note of this please, you are being disrespectful to other forumers. Stop with the insults. Haykakan and the others are trying to keep their composure when they reach a disagreement with you, please show them the same courtesy so this bickering can stop.

[Eddo211]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Can you say that these things are not being done?I have proof that this guy tried to do just those things like for example he tried to participate in nato but had to backout because his hands are tied(russia said you participate and no 500,000,000 for armenia), he tried to initiate dialogue with turckey(soccer matches). There is nothing anyone could have done differently in this and many other situations without putting the country at risk.The country has plenty of people who are great leaders, if it was not for kocharian and his friends taking the initiative and getting rid of levon we might not have a homeland today, that was great leadership, but in todays invironment against the big powers such leadership can be the wrong thing, just look at what happened to georgia, had shakasville succeeded and russia had not intervened then he would have been a great leader but we all know what happened. Playing smart and knowing when to act and when not to is the key, there may be a time for a leader to act in a bold new way but it has to be done at the right time.

I tend to believe that our Armenian leaders must be held (and reminded to be held) to higher standards then any leader of other countries and I know what incredible challenges they must be facing and how there seems to be no proper solutions to many situations which leaves them in a predicament that "one wrong move and your people will get it and you will loose everything".

For example I am starting to believe that the reason Artsakh and Armenia are not joined is a deliberate strategic defensive move.

Either way, our leaders cannot effort to make any mistakes walking through a minefield………….they must be focused and determined.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Karothe, this mukuch guy has been attacking me and calling me all kinds of colorfull names so i only see it fit to respond in kind.Perhaps a moderators warning for mukuch is in order. As for ideas there are hardly any he has worth comenting on, just a slew of anti hayastantsi,russian,soviet.... rants with nothing comprehendable or worth anyones time to read.He also has some grandious perceptions of himself "you don't know who i am" "you dont know who your talking to" , as if he is god and i should fear his wreath(oo im so scared momy).well i got a good idea its a dim witted individual with absolutly no ideas and lots of hostility.I think this guy really pisses me off because in addition to being a idiot he is also reckless.I cant blame the moderator if he was to warn me to but i had to vent.

Everybody is a millionaire on the Internet and I don't like most of the anti-Hayastan an rhetorics I've been reading lately. But be the bigger men and let the reader decide who is right, there are alot of people reading this Forum and we need to stand above the insults and show our point in a good manner and respectful.

[Haykakan]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Karothe, this mukuch guy has been attacking me and calling me all kinds of colorfull names so i only see it fit to respond in kind.Perhaps a moderators warning for mukuch is in order. As for ideas there are hardly any he has worth comenting on, just a slew of anti hayastantsi,russian,soviet.... rants with nothing comprehendable or worth anyones time to read.He also has some grandious perceptions of himself "you don't know who i am" "you dont know who your talking to" , as if he is god and i should fear his wreath(oo im so scared momy).well i got a good idea its a dim witted individual with absolutly no ideas and lots of hostility.I think this guy really pisses me off because in addition to being a idiot he is also reckless.I cant blame the moderator if he was to warn me to but i had to vent.

[Haykakan]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Yes, the situation is very difficult for the best of leaders but it doesn’t change the fact that it is still badly needed.

A strong leadership who has its priorities straight, knows how to communicate, uses strategy, and knows how to play chess is what is needed………………instead of continuing to be a chess peace of the superpowers that can be sacrificed at their disposal.

Can you say that these things are not being done?I have proof that this guy tried to do just those things like for example he tried to participate in nato but had to backout because his hands are tied(russia said you participate and no 500,000,000 for armenia), he tried to initiate dialogue with turckey(soccer matches). There is nothing anyone could have done differently in this and many other situations without putting the country at risk.The country has plenty of people who are great leaders, if it was not for kocharian and his friends taking the initiative and getting rid of levon we might not have a homeland today, that was great leadership, but in todays invironment against the big powers such leadership can be the wrong thing, just look at what happened to georgia, had shakasville succeeded and russia had not intervened then he would have been a great leader but we all know what happened. Playing smart and knowing when to act and when not to is the key, there may be a time for a leader to act in a bold new way but it has to be done at the right time.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

@Haykakan: don't attack the person but the points he is making.

@Mukuch: Look at Armenia today and you'll see what they have done, every city has been built by the USSR. Yerevan was built by them before the USSR Yerevan was a big Islamic village filled with starving people, refugees from Western-Armenia they took it and created the beautiful city you see today. Without USSR Turkey would have conquered all of Armenia and we would have nothing left, and our race would have been destroyed. What more do you want from them.

And almost every one was a member of the Communistic party, if you wanted a job you were a member. If you wanted a peaceful home and future you joined the party.

@EDDO we don't need a Attaturk I think we need a Chengis Khan to lead our people, a person who can win in every situation. And a person who doens't have pity with his enemies.

[Mukuch]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I don't think leadership is the big issue today, Armenias problem stems from its geographic location and the interests of big nations regarding the area. The greatest leader in the world won't be able to do anything if his hands are tied.

Maybe he can use his arss to think? Or it is tied too?

[Mukuch]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

You have to be blind to think ussr did nothing for armenia, but then it is mukuch so we are talking to a blind man. Hmm lets see what did ussr do for armenia? established a standard of living armenia has yet to reach since the soviet collapse, provide security for 75 years, establish educational institutions, industries, social programs we will probably not see again in a long time (all of which ltp destroyed).It's ok mukuch i am sure you and your imaginery but powerfull army will soon get us our lands back and raise the standard of living for all armenians in no time, we don't need russia, just waive that flag and all will be good..

Oh common you are even more ignorant than I thought.
So did your family run away from that standart of life in 1981?LOL
What army? Did I ones mention an army? What xxxx you are smoking? LOL
Ones again xxxx you and xxxx Russia
YOU ARE OFICIALY A MORON

[Eddo211]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I don't think leadership is the big issue today, Armenias problem stems from its geographic location and the interests of big nations regarding the area. The greatest leader in the world won't be able to do anything if his hands are tied.

Yes, the situation is very difficult for the best of leaders but it doesn’t change the fact that it is still badly needed.

A strong leadership who has its priorities straight, knows how to communicate, uses strategy, and knows how to play chess is what is needed………………instead of continuing to be a chess peace of the superpowers that can be sacrificed at their disposal.

[Mukuch]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Mukuch lacks the capacity to think so don't make unrealistic demands of him. He can only see things in black and white, add some collor to his life and he will definetly freakout and think he was poisoned with lsd.

Don’t worry about color in my life , there is even more color than you ever have seen in your most fantastic “trip”...
worry about butter on your peas of bread so you wouldn’t die without it...

If you were part of a communist institution then you are evile, no matter that anyone who wanted to have a career back then had to join such institutions to advance...

We had already this discussion ones... it is about values...moral values...

Being communist is evil? No ofcours not:
Everyone who had to make career was communist...
Is being a hypocryt evil? No ofcours not:
Everyone had to be Hypocrit to survive in Soviet Union ( But not Sevak or Zatikyan or SakharovI do not know why?!)
Is kissing ass of others is evil? No ofcours not :
EVERYONE DOES IT IN THIS WORLD. Not me.

Some people will always be closed minded and can only comprehend things they see in the dark, turn on the lights and it is sencory overload full of traitors and people who want to sellout.

Yes sure, there are people like this, and some people are just plain primitive in their Glandile/Konotop level.