Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

Everything isn't "Turkish", it does also mention a marvelous and unique collection of Paleolithic, Neolithic, Hatti, Hittite, Phrygian, Urartian, Roman, Byzantine works and Lydian treasures. Granted it doesn't mention Armenian or Hellene which is rather juvenile in my opinion but the whole site is so minimalist it's almost a joke. However it's a practice very similar to same way the Greek state just can't call bring themselves to recognize the "muslims' in Thrace as "Turks". Not to mention all the minarets knocked down in Crete but that's another story. Perhaps we should recognize all the AD artifacts as 'Christian' as neither the Greek or Armenian state existed at the time. Though I think the only thing that would make you happy is the words Armenian and Greek stamped on each artifact with a corresponding flag to match. Clearly your motives are driven from nationalism rather than artistic integrity.

I have yet to research your claims, but assuming they are true, a people who are continually brutalized and oppressed sometimes themselves become brutal as a result of maltreatment as they know only abuse, neglect and cruelty, you should ask if this happened, what made the Greeks so hateful as to inspire them to such cruelty, it was surely not their own doing...could it be by chance the vile treatment faced under Ottoman "millenias of Peace" that charged them to this barberous state if the events happened as you claim, could constant racism drive a person to bloodlust?

[Jos]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

[QUOTE][QUOTE=Alexandros;288558]

Yes, you were changing the subject and you have done that in other threads as well. Don`t play innocent now Jos. This thread has very little to do with the Turkish minority in Greek Thrace. We are talking about Turkey demanding their cultural heritage back and not about their Turkish minority in other countries. Geeeezz.

No Alexandros, I was asked why the words 'Hellene and Armenian' were not on a Turkish museum website and I replied with the answer: probably because of the same reason why the Greek government can't echo the word "Turkish" minority in Greece. That's not changing the subject, it's a valid response that reflects the regressive mindset of countries within the region.
Disrespectful neighbors with bad intentions, including mine. Take your time and reflect on that point if you need to.

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

[QUOTE=Jos;288582][QUOTE]

No Alexandros, I was asked why the words 'Hellene and Armenian' were not on a Turkish museum website and I replied with the answer: probably because of the same reason why the Greek government can't echo the word "Turkish" minority in Greece. That's not changing the subject, it's a valid response that reflects the regressive mindset of countries within the region.
Disrespectful neighbors with bad intentions, including mine. Take your time and reflect on that point if you need to.

Again, nothing in the OP says about the Turkish minority in Greek Thrace. You did the exactly same thing in another thread , "Can Turkey learn tolerance" by trying to inject your BS about the Turkish minority...seriously, why don`t you start your own thread and have your own monologue, eh?

[Palavra]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

Does that include Greek ancient monuments too? LOL. Anyway, Turkey`s state policy is pretty paranoid when it comes to Greek, Armenian, Assyrian...monuments and how to define them. It has gone even so far that Turkey is renaming animals:

Blah Blah. Most of the manuments at anatolia are roman ones. Sorry my friend, even romans did not call themself as greek. Anyway, we call a lot monuments as ottomans too.

Maybe romans were turks because They did not call themself as greek. xxxxing turkish propoganda even changed past

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

Blah Blah. Most of the manuments at anatolia are roman ones. Sorry my friend, even romans did not call themself as greek. Anyway, we call a lot monuments as ottomans too.

Maybe romans were turks because They did not call themself as greek. xxxxing turkish propoganda even changed past

1) I`m not your friend

2) You are nothing but a troll

3) Therefore I`m just going to ignore you

[Palavra]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

Realy good argument my roman friend.I hope you dont mind that I call you roman after all you call romans(You know they did not call themself as greek) as greek.

Weird guy, we cannot change history for your national benefits. We prefer to change it for our national benefits. hehe

[Jos]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

[QUOTE=Alexandros;288592][QUOTE=Jos;288582]

Again, nothing in the OP says about the Turkish minority in Greek Thrace. You did the exactly same thing in another thread , "Can Turkey learn tolerance" by trying to inject your BS about the Turkish minority...seriously, why don`t you start your own thread and have your own monologue, eh?

It's not BS and the issues are connected. Don't you get it, all these issues are reflective of the regressive mindset within our region when it comes to other ethnicities. If you ask a Greek or an Armenian EVERYTHING of any value in the Ottoman empire can be credited them, nothing to Turks. Not one creation of art, food, music, architecture etc. The level of arrogance is unparralled.

And you have become a prolific poster of anything anti-Turkish on this site with attempts to slander, scrutinize and misrepresent and yet Greece can't even address the basic questions that you demand of Turkey at the same time like:

a) the right to be legally called a "Turk"
b) the right to legally elect our own religious leaders.
c) the right of free association with the name "Turk" in it.

Get your own house in order before you start slinging mud in future.

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

[QUOTE=Jos;288617][QUOTE=Alexandros;288592]

It's not BS and the issues are connected. Don't you get it, all these issues are reflective of the regressive mindset within our region when it comes to other ethnicities. If you ask a Greek or an Armenian EVERYTHING of any value in the Ottoman empire can be credited them, nothing to Turks. Not one creation of art, food, music, architecture etc. The level of arrogance is unparralled.

And you have become a prolific poster of anything anti-Turkish on this site with attempts to slander, scrutinize and misrepresent and yet Greece can't even address the basic questions that you demand of Turkey at the same time like:

a) the right to be legally called a "Turk"
b) the right to legally elect our own religious leaders.
c) the right of free association with the name "Turk" in it.

Get your own house in order before you start slinging mud in future.

See, this is another attempt from you to try to change the subject: this thread is about that Turkey demands back its cultural heritage.

You seem to lately be making everything about the Turkish minority in Greek Thrace.

You know what: you could complain all you want but the fact remains that Turkey is the worst Human Rights violator in Europe.

Try to defend that.

[Jos]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

[QUOTE=Alexandros;288618][QUOTE=Jos;288617]

See, this is another attempt from you to try to change the subject: this thread is about that Turkey demands back its cultural heritage.

You seem to lately be making everything about the Turkish minority in Greek Thrace.

You know what: you could complain all you want but the fact remains that Turkey is the worst Human Rights violator in Europe.

Try to defend that.

Don't laugh too hard. I could name you many European countries with worse human rights ratings than Turkey, namely:

Russia (especially due to Chechnya)
Belarus
Moldova
FYROM
Azerbaijan
Armenia

Just refer to Freedom House 2009 report if you don't believe me. Enjoy:
http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/...WOW%202009.pdf

And just before you get over excited Alexandros, I know about EHCR rulings. The above is a far more exhaustive analysis than a simplistic count of court cases.

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey demands back its "cultural heritage"

[QUOTE=Jos;288635][QUOTE=Alexandros;288618]

Don't laugh too hard. I could name you many European countries with worse human rights ratings than Turkey, namely:

Russia (especially due to Chechnya)
Belarus
Moldova
FYROM
Azerbaijan
Armenia

Just refer to Freedom House 2009 report if you don't believe me. Enjoy:
http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/...WOW%202009.pdf

And just before you get over excited Alexandros, I know about EHCR rulings. The above is a far more exhaustive analysis than a simplistic count of court cases.

So you simply disregard that Turkey is the worst Human Rights violator in Europe when it comes to ECHR decisions?

How convenient, isn`t it?