Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Armenia

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

If I count your insults (by your own defninition) in all your posts, I bet you will beat me easily.

Count them!

No, 80% of the Armenian students who live in Armenia get scholarships, whereas only 50% of the foreign (mostly Armenian too) students get scholarship.

Sorry, foreign means foreign. Armenian or not giving scholarships to foreign students does not do much good to the country of Armenia.

Do you even know what scholarship is? That too is a private initiative where multiple, also foreign, organisations will be involved in.

Yes, actually I know since that is what supported me through school. Oh, and my scholarships originated from the school itself. So no, a scholarship is not necessarily a private initiative. Schools often allocate money from their budget for scholarships. The article does not discuss where the source of funding will be, so don't draw unnecessary conclusions.

This is another great example of you trying to divide equal students by their country of origin. In contrary, I would have liked to see the ‘foreigners’ to also have scholarships for 80% of them, yes I know this would probably make you sick.

The point is to benefit the country of Armenia, and not benefit all equally.

Yes, just like in every other country in the world, top-class teachers cost more. A European teacher will come and work in Armenia for a ‘European’ wage, which is more than logical.

There are two kinds of "top-class" teachers, those who get a degree in "education" and those who actually study the subject matter. The latter will cost much more than 30,000 per year, and the former is completely useless.
On the other hand, a member of the scientific community in Armenia will be more than happy to teach for 1000 per month or less. Armenia has more than enough capable teachers, it's simply idiotic to import foreign teachers and pay them money.

In my university (and highschool too) there are highly-educated professors (from other countries) who I bet are paid more than some domestic ones.

Don't bet, either provide facts, or don't mention it.

And again, who are you to decide how much wage one professor get’s or nothing?

I have no idea where you got that from.

Why don’t you complain at companies like KPMG and Ernst & Young in Armenia, did you know the foreign accountants get a lot more than the domestic ones working at KPMG? No one argument of yours had to do with reality.

The issue here is not private organizations, but a supposedly philonthropic project that was to give scholarships to more foreign students, and payed more to foreign teachers. Please stay on topic.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

As much as I enjoyed the arguments here, I can draw one conclusion here. The capitalist system of schooling is taking over the world and I find this quite disturbing considering the costs of being educated doesn't necessarily equal the return on investment. Parents are sending kids away to school to take social science and liberal arts classes and coming back home to work at McDonalds.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

If I count your insults (by your own defninition) in all your posts, I bet you will beat me easily. Again, you show your hypocracy, as you are now reasoning that someone who uses more insults (after you began using it), is worse than someone who uses less insults. It’s the same thing, but again you showed for the 100th time you are not capable of even understanding your own posts.

So 60% of total students will study under scholarship? That's 360 students, but only 80% of Armenian students which is 160. That means, that school will give a free ride to 200 foreign students? That's great, open a school in Armenia, but give more free seats to foreigners.

No, 80% of the Armenian students who live in Armenia get scholarships, whereas only 50% of the foreign (mostly Armenian too) students get scholarship. Do you even know what scholarship is? That too is a private initiative where multiple, also foreign, organisations will be involved in. This is another great example of you trying to divide equal students by their country of origin. In contrary, I would have liked to see the ‘foreigners’ to also have scholarships for 80% of them, yes I know this would probably make you sick. You remind me of people who divide Armenians in Armenia and Armenians in Artsakh (hayastanci’s and karabaxci’s).

Really, so not only will the school have more foreign students, but it will also pay MUCH MORE to foreign teachers? Damn, what a loss

Yes, just like in every other country in the world, top-class teachers cost more. A European teacher will come and work in Armenia for a ‘European’ wage, which is more than logical. In my university (and highschool too) there are highly-educated professors (from other countries) who I bet are paid more than some domestic ones. And again, who are you to decide how much wage one professor get’s or nothing? Why don’t you complain at companies like KPMG and Ernst & Young in Armenia, did you know the foreign accountants get a lot more than the domestic ones working at KPMG? No one argument of yours had to do with reality.

That's incorrect, Armenia is cheaper than Thailand. I know that for a fact; though, some places in Yerevan are more expensive than some places in Bankgok, but that's where it ends.

Also, do realize that $6000 per year in Armenia is enough to provide a rural family of 5 a very healthy lifestyle.

That’s incorrect, I also know for a fact that almost everything in Thailand is cheaper (especially food articles). Again, the international school would have been outside of Bangkok, where all the prices are extremely cheaper. I get the idea you do know even a simple thing, about just nothing. Where have you been living all the time, in a small Armenian village never even seen a city before?

Even more, I think a family of 6 with my calculations (haha). Or imagine the cost of the building itself, 60 million dollars we could have given to the poor, then they could have led a normal life. Also we must also totally stop the Minister of Education from raising the level of our universities and invest more in education, as this will cost more, maybe several thousand of dollars per student (in The Netherlands an average students costs like 15,000 euro’s, let alone if he studies a high degree). There is no relevance to your comment, as always. You are getting very boring.

This discussion leads nowhere. You are still hallucinating (about he just wanting profit) eventhough you have no prove, you just show you are a pessimist and negativist, why don't you acknowledge that? I really am laughing about your arguments, because you try to give ''answers'' but in reality the words you write are just empty stories with no meaning.

I must admit you are creative though, there are not many people who can write so many wrongs in their posts.

[gegev]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

That is the feeling among many Hayastantsis and some Diaspora. This is not isolationism but hard lessons learned from the history that you so easily dismiss. Also Chess destnoom hayer inchkan araken arach engenoom esorner? I am personally proud how far Armenia and Armenians have come in short time.

Also it is not nice that you label one more Armenian than the other. This is good that Armenians disagree (this needs to happen) and keep a discussion but funny how both groups who love Armenia equally always end up ready to chock each other for the good of Armenia. We always do this, why?

I think I am older than you boss

Glad reading posts that are not biased. I’m 62; older than the boss, too.

Your posts do make difference Eddo.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Some quotes from the article.

Known as “PhysMath”, the school has turned out about 4,000 graduates (it has 550 students today), many of whom are now in leadership roles in various scientific fields.

“Physmath graduates today continue to build up the country’s future and contribute their efforts for the nation as far as possible for the prosperity of science, culture and any sphere,” says Navasardyan.

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“A nice-looking corner, an oasis of knowledge, emerged in the country’s educational system in 1965, which attracted those children who wanted to satisfy their urge for physics and mathematics,” says Avetisyan. “During these 40 years the school has been an auspicious environment for many of its graduates to become well-known scientists, politicians and outstanding specialists of different spheres of public economy.”

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“I consider myself lucky because I had the honor of studying at PhysMath during the period of its first pupils and first teachers. I felt especially proud when different world-famous mathematicians asked me about the school,” says Mkrtchyan. “The school developed us in different important directions, but the most important of them is the development of thinking and the system of value.”

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Some of the school’s graduates today contribute their knowledge to foster a new generation of physicists and mathematicians for the country.

The school’s teacher Nairi Sedrakyan graduated from PhysMath in 1978. Sedrakyan, who is considered to be one of the best mathematicians in the republic, says that he grew fond of mathematics while attending this school.

“And now we will do everything for the school’s reputation and activities to continue for as long as possible,” says Sedrakyan.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Levon du erav datark martes, Tigran hazar ankam aveli haya u marta kante du.

I don't much care about what you think of me, so you can keep blubbering on.

Ko ankam horinats dprotsi tsaghseri nkatmamb tvere pasta vor du lriv tgetes u kiankumt votch mi business ches varel.

The school is real. Here is some general info and the location on google maps.

http://wikimapia.org/4169099/PhysMath-school

Article about the school

http://www.armenianow.com/features/5880/praise_for_physmath_yerevan

It would help if you do some research before you claim the school doesn't exist.

If you cant even properly comment on things you can research (i.e. the school), please refrain from commenting on things you cannot research properly (such as my education level or my ventures)

Yes 15 tari varumem im sepakan gorts yeh shat lav gitem tsaghseri masin. Ko gratsner lriv mek koghmanien yeh erakanutsiunits heru.

Congrats on running your own business. Just as you claim I haven't done anything, so can I. You haven't established yourself as a very credible individual, so why do you think people here should automatically believe what you say. But nevertheless, what you have or haven't done is insignificant to what we're arguing about.

Yes ko enker chem u berancel emna yev votc kuzem kartahaitvem!

Apres.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Says who? A few posts ago you called (quote) ''.......You really are an idiot.'' Haykakan an idiot. Again, you show can not be taken seriously, as you don't even see your wrongs,

What I called Haykakan was a perfectly reasonable observation based on his responses leading up to that point.

but as you are not mentally 100%

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This is getting boring, when you are wrong or you can't say anything, you come up with the feminist story. Try something new because this doesn't work.

I'm merely bringing your attention to the fact that the way you respond to my arguments is the same as the way a typical feminist responds: insult, insult, call one mentally ill, declare that person unfit to argue, then declare that you win.

You can make what you want out of it.

Ara debil gjada, du vochmi ban el ches haskanum.

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again hallucinating.

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I would bet you would not come as close as we did and a lot of other Diaspora Armenians, for for 400 years we have maintained our Armenian heritage (language, culture, customs) in a foreign country, which is the ultimate proof.

My family are genocide survivors. Also, you're the one who says "us, and you" as if there is a distinction between Diaspora Armenians and Armenia Armenians. There is no us and you, just those who live in Armenia, and those who don't.

You have too high esteem and must understand Armenia is not your country, it is the country of all Armenians, be it Armenians in the Spyurk or Armenians who live in Armenia, you must accept that.

Armenia is the country of those who live there. I think they should make decisions as to whether to allow foreign language schools or not.

Du es et himar txen wor vochmi ban chi haskanum

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du et hetamnacac hayerices wor karcumen shat xelaci baic stic durs en talis ameninch. Mexk es, urish ban chem karox asem.

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Most Armenians in Armenia have similar ideas to mine, and I'm sure you and "haykakan" would call most Armenians in Armenia as "hetamnac".

Again? Come up with something else, as you proved you really hallucinate and just come up with new stories whenever your ''arguments'' are proven wrong.

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You didn't prove me wrong, just stated that I'm wrong. Those are two completely different things.

Hahaha, why don't you write a book for the mentally ill?

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Thank you for proving you can not make the simplest calculation. I am not saying (in contrary to you) I can do it, because it is far too complicated, but I can say you are wrong (as you most of the time are).

First fault, 60% of the total students will study under scholarships, and 80% of the Armenian student will study under scholarships, which means everyone will eventually pay 10,000 dollars. It means the total budget of the school will be 6 million a year.

So 60% of total students will study under scholarship? That's 360 students, but only 80% of Armenian students which is 160. That means, that school will give a free ride to 200 foreign students? That's great, open a school in Armenia, but give more free seats to foreigners.

The teaching staff will comprimise out of foreign highly-educated teachers and local teachers. Foreign teachers will not work for less than 30,000 dollars per year in Armenia. The costs of the teachers only will at least be 1 million dollars a year. The cost of all the other jobs (cleaners, administrative jobs, external) and maintenance of all the buildings, approximately 1 million dollars.

Really, so not only will the school have more foreign students, but it will also pay MUCH MORE to foreign teachers? Damn, what a loss

Around 4 million dollars will remain (which, ofcourse is not correct because it's impossible to calculate these costs, but for you, hallucination Levon, we will try).

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At a minimum, this will cost around 6000 dollars per year for a student (actually, Armenia is fairly expensive compared to let's say Thailand).

That's incorrect, Armenia is cheaper than Thailand. I know that for a fact; though, some places in Yerevan are more expensive than some places in Bankgok, but that's where it ends.

Also, do realize that $6000 per year in Armenia is enough to provide a rural family of 5 a very healthy lifestyle.

Pessimism, negativism, hallucination and made up stories are the words which fit you best, Levon. You should join the HAK (ANC) as their whole ideology is based upon these words.

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You have in this post already insulted me 11 times. Great job.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

That is the feeling among many Hayastantsis and some Diaspora. This is not isolationism but hard lessons learned from the history that you so easily dismiss. Also Chess destnoom hayer inchkan araken arach engenoom esorner? I am personally proud how far Armenia and Armenians have come in short time.



Also it is not nice that you label one more Armenian than the other. This is good that Armenians disagree (this needs to happen) and keep a discussion but funny how both groups who love Armenia equally always end up ready to chock each other for the good of Armenia. We always do this, why?



I think I am older than you boss

If you talk to LTP he will tell you that he is more armenian then the people in government today but you well know that is not the case. We may all be armenians but the question is what do we stand for and how does this help or hurt Armenia. People like levon and gegev want to create a atmosphere of complete intolorance in Armenia to the point where those who really do want to help Armenia and her people will not be allowed to do so. This school is a perfect example of just that. Yes there was elitism created before due to russian schools in hayastan but people have the ability to change things and learn from their mistakes. This school does not need to have the same effects those other ones did. The basic principles between this school and the ones in the past are totally different. The ones in the past were run by the soviet government which wanted to impress its ideologies but this one is being built by a philantrophist who is himself a successful armenian with a record of helping Armenia and armenians. It is not the same thing! The results would have been very different had people looked at the facts vs the usual intolorant and ignorent reactionism which won the day. Armenia has indeed made tremendous progress but there is no reason to stop now. The facts of this case were completely ignored and the pessimistic reactionaries won out. This may seem a isolated incident but should this become a trend then Armenias development will be retarded. Armenia as a country cannot afford making artificial obsticles for itself because it already has plenty of existing ones threatening its existence already. This kind of fatalistic pessimism exists in Turkey to thus it is a regional curse which holds society and the whole country back.

[Eddo211]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Gegev du arants vochmiban emanalu arten hamuzvatces vor es dprots linelua nuyn dzevi vonts vor aratchva rusakan dprotsnernain. Ankam ches patkeratsnum vor karogha mi ban tarber lini apagaium hamematats hetagayi het. Aratchva dprotsner petakanain, es dprots lineluer baregortsakan dprots yev tere hay baregortsakane ov arten hayeri hamar lav banere arel voch era shaheri hamar.

That is the feeling among many Hayastantsis and some Diaspora. This is not isolationism but hard lessons learned from the history that you so easily dismiss. Also Chess destnoom hayer inchkan araken arach engenoom esorner? I am personally proud how far Armenia and Armenians have come in short time.

Levon du erav datark martes, Tigran hazar ankam aveli haya u marta kante du. Ko ankam horinats dprotsi tsaghseri nkatmamb tvere pasta vor du lriv tgetes u kiankumt votch mi business ches varel. Yes 15 tari varumem im sepakan gorts yeh shat lav gitem tsaghseri masin. Ko gratsner lriv mek koghmanien yeh erakanutsiunits heru. Yes ko enker chem u berancel emna yev votc kuzem kartahaitvem!

Also it is not nice that you label one more Armenian than the other. This is good that Armenians disagree (this needs to happen) and keep a discussion but funny how both groups who love Armenia equally always end up ready to chock each other for the good of Armenia. We always do this, why?

Edo the demographic problems facing Armenia are very real and they have nothing to do with Russia. All of Europe is facing a demographic problem of low birth rates. Do your part and go make a family with a good Armenian girl and perhaps you and your family will go visit our homeland one day....

I think I am older than you boss

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Gegev du arants vochmiban emanalu arten hamuzvatces vor es dprots linelua nuyn dzevi vonts vor aratchva rusakan dprotsnernain. Ankam ches patkeratsnum vor karogha mi ban tarber lini apagaium hamematats hetagayi het. Aratchva dprotsner petakanain, es dprots lineluer baregortsakan dprots yev tere hay baregortsakane ov arten hayeri hamar lav banere arel voch era shaheri hamar. Levon du erav datark martes, Tigran hazar ankam aveli haya u marta kante du. Ko ankam horinats dprotsi tsaghseri nkatmamb tvere pasta vor du lriv tgetes u kiankumt votch mi business ches varel. Yes 15 tari varumem im sepakan gorts yeh shat lav gitem tsaghseri masin. Ko gratsner lriv mek koghmanien yeh erakanutsiunits heru. Yes ko enker chem u berancel emna yev votc kuzem kartahaitvem!
Edo the demographic problems facing Armenia are very real and they have nothing to do with Russia. All of Europe is facing a demographic problem of low birth rates. Do your part and go make a family with a good Armenian girl and perhaps you and your family will go visit our homeland one day. You have a natural tendency to side with those who seem the most conservative but keep this in mind, should things have always gone the way the likes of Levon and Gageve want then to go we would never make any progress at all. The past should be remembered and learned from but we need to realize that we live in the present-not the past and that the future could be different then what we have known in the past and know in the present. Different does not always have to mean worst. It is to some degree up to us what the future will be like. The good thing about leading a government is that you have excess to lots of information and you can try different things and modify them as you go along to fit the needs of the country. If the establishment of this school brought about any problems then those problems could be dealt with as they popped up. Remember the initiater is a armenian man who has a history of helping his people and would not want to do anything that would harm them. This is vividly demonstrated by the fact that when he encoutered hostility he did not fight back, nor did he decide to cancel the project, he decided to move it to a different location instead so he can still do his good work which nothing to do with profit and everything to do with helping armenians. It would have been far better to have this school in Hayastan so that the students would actually live in Armenia and take in our culture and history.