Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Armenia

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

You have no clue about what liberalism is. The very idea of equality which you are arguing for is a LIBERAL consept! Read a history book to learn about liberalism. Your and many other people's concepts of liberalism are based on recycled ignorence not facts.

Of course, when one cannot refute an argument, the most natural instinct is to suggest one's opponent to read a history book to learn facts. Equality is as a concept is older than what people currently refer to as liberal. There have been several schools of thoughts referred to as Liberal, and most shared only basic principles. I hope you are not trying to claim that liberalism has always been the same school of thought, and the modern concepts (as used by left-wing ideologists calling themselves liberals) are the same as those the encouraged the French and American revolutions. I think you should be the one who should read a history book.

The current idea of liberalism, otherwise known as "social liberalism" stems from the ideas of Karl Marx who, as you may know, lived between 1818 and 1883, and he started to develop his "radical" ideas in the mid 1840s. As I'm sure you are aware, part of his argument was that society is built on the rich exploiting the poor.

The current system aims to enforce social equality, or class equality, hence, also enforces ideas such as equality between genders, equality between people of different sexual orientations, etc. This is a system that simply aims to create a completely homogeneous society.

When you hear the term "liberal", then in the modern times it simply means a "social liberal".

You may know the term "classical liberalism", that advocates limited government and economic freedoms. This is the belief system of most current day "libertarians", but no one in the mainstream will call them liberals.

Now, as you see there are many concepts that stem from liberty (otherwise known as freedom); however, the modern day left-wing ideology is what is most often associated with the word LIBERAL, and this ideology has changed the meaning of the word to mean "free to do whatever you want as long as it's politically correct." Over the past 50 years, those belonging to this ideology have fought hard to bring new perverse behaviors under the blanket of "political correctness" through the concept of "mandatory tolerance".

There are liberals, and there is a classical liberal. The concepts now known as liberal, have nothing at all to do with the with classical liberalism. Which version are you using, please be concise, because it does make a difference.

I advise you start reading as well.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

You have no clue about what liberalism is. The very idea of equality which you are arguing for is a LIBERAL consept! Read a history book to learn about liberalism. Your and many other people's concepts of liberalism are based on recycled ignorence not facts.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

The public school system is a socialist and liberal idea.

That's one way of looking at it. Since you are a liberal, you immediately see a liberal element to it. If you look at it from a different standpoint, giving everyone access to education is a guarantee of having a better labor force which is good for both business and the country. In a country such as Armenia that has produced many brilliant minds, a good free education is necessary to make sure the next generation of minds will be able to innovate and take the country to a new level. There is nothing liberal in that stance, unless of course your views of liberal/republican stem entirely from how they are portrayed by the media: liberal = all equal, republican = rich rule.

It is funny that you call me a liberal and a feminist while i am neither

I think others on this forum will agree with my deduction of your being a liberal and a feminist.

, yet your argument is far more liberal then mine.

I'm afraid you cannot properly define what liberal means, and unless you can define it properly, I suggest you refrain from labeling people terms you do not fully understand. Liberal has nothing to do with rich and poor. It is an agenda that seeks to transform society into a completely homogeneous entity where differences are scorned, and everyone lives under the big protective blanked of an overgrown governing system. In the USA, there isn't much difference between mainstream republicans and mainstream liberals as both groups seek the same end: a large group of "individuals" all conforming to the "norm" and look to the "state" for all their "major decisions"

Giving citizens access to schooling is merely a means of making sure that the next generation of citizens will be at least as capable as the current, as progress cannot be achieved otherwise. Why else do you think public education in the Western World is steadily declining, yet private schools are still generally good? Maybe it's because withholding good education from the "commoners" is the best way to make sure that the majority of the next-generation of citizens will be mindless "drones" who will not ever question the mainstream ideologies pushed forward by the governing body. The best way to stay in power is to make sure no one else can challenge you. Restrict good education only to those who can pay for it, and you pave the way to make sure your "class" stays in power far longer that would otherwise be possible. This is the basis for a totalitarian regime, but I'm sure you never looked at it from this point of view.

In all of your longwinded responces the only legitimit criticism you have ever made of me is that i make spelling errors. .

If you will call me ignorant of social sciences, at least make sure the delivery of your prose is indicative of some study in the said areas.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Levon you just dont get it man. In the USA there are both public and private schools. The private schools are not for everyone, they are for those who can afford them. Having private schools does not diminish the quality of the public school. There are private schools in Armenia now. A private school education is a luxury. This school is not meant for most people. Yes even the USA has socialist elements to it. The public school system is a socialist and liberal idea. It is funny that you call me a liberal and a feminist while i am neither, yet your argument is far more liberal then mine. In all of your longwinded responces the only legitimit criticism you have ever made of me is that i make spelling errors. This school was a wonderful idea, it is a shame we wont be seeing it in Armenia.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

If they like to open another and give 200 seats for Armenians which is 1/3 of the total number then why not?

I think the debate up to this point has been whether it can be considered a "big" loss if the school does not kick-off in Armenia.

[UrMistake]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Do we know what officials say about the suspension ??cause i believe the program should progress,im like 100% sure money isn't the real problem,and we already have foreign schools in Armenia.
If they like to open another and give 200 seats for Armenians which is 1/3 of the total number then why not?
I dont get why you people fight its not like you call the shoots or know the real reason for the issue..

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

In case you missed it the socialist system in Armenia collapsed (to my dismay) so yeh you gotta pay now to get a good education.

Ok, so I guess US is socialist since primary education here is free, right?

Education now is a business venture and this would have been a grand one. Those out of work scientists may have had some good jobs if this school was built.

When something is a luxury, then the means by which it is provided can be considered a business venture. A hundred years ago, education was a luxury, and one could still make a decent living without much education; however, in the now, education is no longer a luxury, but a necessity. It's not only a necessity for individuals, but also for countries, especially for small countries such as Armenia. It's is important for at least primary education to be of good quality and free to make sure able minds are treated with appropriate attention. Turning education into a luxury will only create problems in a small country where most people cannot dream of sending their kids to a school that costs $10,000 per yer.

It is blatently obvious your education excluded the social sciences of which you display complete ignorence of. Perhaps a more balanced education would be more appropriate rather then a school just for math or science.

Please, before you make more "blatantly" (not blatently) obvious grammatical mistakes, do take a note of yourself, your education level, and then make assumptions about mine. Phys-Math is math/physics oriented, yet it probably provides the best all around education to students rivaled only by Anania-Shirakaci (which is a school of the same caliber). And rest assured that I cannot possible display complete "ignorance" (not ignorence) of social sciences to you, as throughout your many posts you have made it rather obvious that your knowledge of social sciences rests soundly on the shoulders of a few feminist books.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

I was refering to the funding being there not whatever you thought i meant. In case you missed it the socialist system in Armenia collapsed (to my dismay) so yeh you gotta pay now to get a good education. Education now is a business venture and this would have been a grand one. Those out of work scientists may have had some good jobs if this school was built. Cynicism is cheap, it is easy to say that every business that opens up is washing money or ripping off people but the fact is this mentality punishes legitimate businessmen by making unfounded generalizations. There are plenty of people who want to do legitimate business in Hayastan and they dont deserve such labels. It is blatently obvious your education excluded the social sciences of which you display complete ignorence of. Perhaps a more balanced education would be more appropriate rather then a school just for math or science.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

"Opening an "elite" school will not create more funding for science."
I wonder what exactly leads you to make such a statement? You really believe that a school with such resources would not help science and other fields of education and research in Hayastan?

That "elite" school is a business venture, meant to attract the children of the rich who will pay $10,000 per year in tuition fees.

A person who is willing to invest so much into education will in turn invest in its continuation and research.

Funny, just a few posts ago Tigranakert was claiming that he is a business man and why should he invest in education when he wants to make money.

You needed deep pockets to fund your work and when its being offered you protest against it.

An elite school does not provide funding for science. You'll need to show how exactly that would happen before you continue your argument in that direction. The school was to be built in Armenia merely because Armenia has a large number of very smart scientists out of a job, and the "smart business man" simply saw it as an opportunity to hire teachers for $100 per month here it would cost $6000 in the US for a teacher offering the same services.

Why? Just because it wasnt there for you doesnt mean it shouldnt be there for others. You are way too short sighted and the possible benefits of such projects are beyond your peripheral vision to see.

It was there for me. Learn to read, as you are making yourself seem like a complete idiot. As I've said, I attended Phys-Math. I claim that instead of "elite" schools we need more schools like Phys-Math, that help in educating those who are capable of learning, not those who are capable of paying.

A scientist can only be paid when there is investment in research and education and there is a shortage of such investments in Hayastan.

Damn, you agree with Tigranakert, disagree with me, yet you just now almost copied one of my responses to Tigranakert. As I've said, Armenia needs more investment in research and education, not "business ventures that use education outsourcing as a venue."

I feel bad for Ruben Vartanian, the man has worked hard to put himself in a position where he can make a valuable contribution to his people but the people are too short sighted to appreciate it.

No, he has tried to put himself in a position to make lots of money by outsourcing education to a country where there are many phd scientists that would be happy to teach for $100 per month. He already just wasted $60 million without any results. Instead, that $60 million could have been used to finance 8 specialized math-science schools long enough to produce a strong scientific force.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

"Opening an "elite" school will not create more funding for science."
I wonder what exactly leads you to make such a statement? You really believe that a school with such resources would not help science and other fields of education and research in Hayastan? A person who is willing to invest so much into education will in turn invest in its continuation and research. You needed deep pockets to fund your work and when its being offered you protest against it. Why? Just because it wasnt there for you doesnt mean it shouldnt be there for others. You are way too short sighted and the possible benefits of such projects are beyond your peripheral vision to see. A scientist can only be paid when there is investment in research and education and there is a shortage of such investments in Hayastan. I feel bad for Ruben Vartanian, the man has worked hard to put himself in a position where he can make a valuable contribution to his people but the people are too short sighted to appreciate it.