Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Armenia

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Thank you for proving you are a total lunatic, I feel sorry for you.

You cannot post proper responses, so you resort to name calling. That's great.

I did not know you could see into ones heart and mind through the internet.

I have met several Armenians who have spent most of their lives in foreign countries. They all display the same sort of liberal values as you do, and brag about how they visit Armenia all the time; however, their lives are not in Armenia. It's only fair for me to draw the similarities.

Are you being taken serious even in real-life? (What an arrogance, who the **** do you think you are?)

I remember some time ago I dissected Haykakan's post that was full of tactics feminist use when arguing. The above quote is a very good example.
Have a read: If one cannot argue then he/she simply attempts to discredit the other person, paint him/her as a crazy, lunatic, whom no one takes seriously. After all if that person is discredited, then his/her arguments will not need to be countered. All feminists (and most western women) argue in this fashion.

You write in English

Aha, tesnum em vor uzum es yes ko het hayeren xosam? Inch asem, ete do hayastanum ches mecace, ayle anckacrel es kyankit mecamasnutyun@ hayastanic durs apa vonc du karox es haskanal inchkan kerevore vor hayastan@ pahi ir kulturan. Bayc iharke, du yev ays enker@ vor@ iran kochume "haykakan" chek haskanum vor ayn or@ yerb hay kanaik iranc payen vonc vor "arevelyan kanaik" klini ayn or@ yerb hayastan@ kkorcanvi. Menk hay enk vorovhetev darerov mek menk pahel enk mer hay culturan, pahel en mer hay kananc pative@, yev pahel en mer hay txamardkanc hargank@. Du da ches haskanum.

, I think you have been recruited by the CIA

Wow, talk about crazy ideas.

and as you were a former taxi-driver who lackeud money and needed some extra cash

(lacked, not lackeud)

Again, you cannot properly argue so you revert to name calling.

just like Levon Ter-Petrosian (who is your relative) you decided to betray your country. Also, I can feel into your heart and having read your mind, I know that your ultimate goal is the destruction of Armenia and the realization of ''Great'' Azerbaijan.

Wow, are you trying to be satirical? Is this your great idea about how to try to discredit me by attempting say something ridicilous and at the same time encourage the readers to make the connection that what I write and you wrote (as a joke) are similar in origin? Hence, I shouldn't be taken seriously and so you won't need to counter any of my arguments.

Wow, rather suddle, but a clear example of the feminazi style of argument. You must have had some great teachers in your "women's studies" course.

You are just the perfect example of a person who can't accept his wrongs and invents all sorts of weird stuff to prove his rightness, ignoring all the facts and arguments of others, beginning discussions on off-topic subjects.

You're getting a little predictable now, this is at least the third time you have so far use the feminazi tactic of "discredit with lies so there is no need to counter an argument"

I have noticed you hallucinate a lot (even about me, I am flattered), but also about Ruben Vardanian, even though you did not know him, but you probably went through his mind too and you knew for sure he was out all for the money and profit, didn't you? Seriously, I would suggest you to visit a psychologist because this is becoming scary.

Wow, again? This one wasn't so discreet.

How old are you? 16?

Damn, now that's an amateur mistake. Most feminazis stop using this one early on. Trying to establish that I'm too young to know anything, and hence there is no need for the continuation of the argument as you are correct due to seniority. And here I was thinking you had more schooling than that.

Have you ever begun even a small venture/business for yourself?
There are hundreds of things you should take care of especially for specialized schools (again, what is ''specialized''?)

Yes I have, and I am well aware of how profitable the education business is, but please, before you try to discredit me, do try to make yourself a bit more credible and let me know what are those hundreds of little things needed for a specialized school (though I doubt how you'd do that since you seem confused about what "specialized" is)

,, it would be nearly impossible for you to actually estimate the costs of even one such school, let alone to know what 8 specialized schools (on average) will cost.

If you read my posts, maybe you caught the part where I mentioned that I went to Phys-Math, which is a magnet high school that pay special attention to math and sciences (In fact most medalists who have represented Armenia in the International Mathematics Olympiad have come from Phys-Math).
I have made my calculations based on the costs of Phys-Math which in fact houses around 600 students, provides on site housing for around 100 students and serves breakfast, lunch and dinner for all students (all free of charge, of course).

The schools annual budget was around $250,000 when I was there 10 years ago. Currently, the costs are higher at around $350,000 per year. I think $250,000 is a fair estimate assuming the schools house 300-400 students.

Hallucination, hallucination, hallucination... I assume you are either on drugs or are just drunk.

Wow, could this possibly be another cheap attempt at trying to discredit me? Wow, this is even more explicit that the last attempt.

Post something serious or don't post at all.

No way. You actually couldn't hold yourself back. Your entire post was full of insults and cheap attempts to discredit me, and you are asking me to post something serious. Damn, talk about arrogance.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Tigran has his heart and mind squarly set on a Armenia with a brighter future

Tigranakert, it appears that Haykakan can read your heart as well. Are you going to call him a lunatic on drugs as well?

[gegev]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Hey Levon why would a liberal such as yourself fight so hard against liberal values? Tigran has demonstrated his love for Armenia by being there and doing business there, he actually does things to help the country vs the likes of you and Gageve whose closed minded pessimism spells certain doom for our country. Tigran is always posting articles about progressive projects in our country which bring hope of a bettter future for our people while you and Gageve are indulging in pessimism and hetamnatsutyun. Tigran has his heart and mind squarly set on a Armenia with a brighter future while the likes of you canot comprehend anything different then what you have known in the past.

Ես հետամնաց եմ մնացել քանի որ անցյալում Դիլիջանի Միջազգային Դպրոցը չկար որ, իմ խեղճ հայկական դպրոցում հայերեն ու անգլերեն սովորելու փոխարեն, միայն անգլերեն սովորեյի ու առաջադեմ դառնայի: Ներեցեք իմ հետամնացությունը:

You are talking to yourself Hakayakan, I don’t.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Ես հետամնաց եմ մնացել քանի որ անցյալում Դիլիջանի Միջազգային Դպրոցը չկար, որ իմ խեղճ հայկական դպրոցում հայերեն ու անգլերեն սովորելու փոխարեն, միայն անգլերեն սովորեյի ու առաջադեմ դառնայի: Ներեցեք իմ հետամնացությունը:

You are talking to yourself Hakayakan, I don’t.

Ai debil, et dprotsum hayerenelain sovoratsnelu. Du hetch kartal gites?

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Levon ko gratsner lriv datarkutsyunneren. Du eskan vaghtva metch mehat hetakrkir ban ches grel. Gites chgites yerku hat bar gites (liberal, feminist) u vor mek ko het chi hamadzainvum uremn kam feminista kamel liberl. Ay mart gna mi yerku hatel bar sovori eli, arten zzvtsnumes ko sahmanapkutyonov.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Levon ko gratsner lriv datarkutsyunneren. Du eskan vaghtva metch mehat hetakrkir ban ches grel. Gites chgites yerku hat bar gites (liberal, feminist) u vor mek ko het chi hamadzainvum uremn kam feminista kamel liberl. Ay mart gna mi yerku hatel bar sovori eli, arten zzvtsnumes ko sahmanapkutyonov.

Enker jan, lav kliner vor du voch miayn aserir te im gracner@ datarkutyun en, bayc nayev bacatreir inchu en nrank datarkutyun. Ete ches moracel menk ays xosakcucyun@ arten unecel enk mi angam, iharke adminneric mek@ im amboxj gracner jnjec. Ete hishum yes, yes cuyc tveci vonc du ogtagorcum eir (inchpes hima) nuyn tesaki vichelu zev@ inch vor feministner@. Yev yete im asacner@ kez zzvacnum en apa karox es chkardal, vorovhetev inz chi hetakrkrum te du im gracner@ kartum es te che. Mi moracir, menk arten mi angam hamazaynucan ekan vor erb vor yes kgrem do berant kpakes, te du arten da moracel es?

[Eddo211]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Nobody wants to go back to the Soviet days that you have to learn a foreign language (Russian) to get a good job. If I lived in Armenia I would demonstrate against this as well. The money can be spent on better things like Levon has pointed out.

Also why does the government pass a law right in the middle of all this causing all kinds of problems and grief and then claim it is not connected.........and then you have this investor threatening to take his business somewhere using scare tactics, that is not cool.

..... The ANC leader emphasized that presently Armenia is on the edge of a demographic crisis. “Armenia may become a developed country in 100 years, but now it faces a considerable demographic threat. All Armenia’s troubles are caused by the demographic crisis,” he added. .

That is a well known Russian problem and should not be Armenia’s.......unless they mean the bad habits then hell Diaspora Armenians will out smoke out drink all Hayastantsis under the table all the while toasting to that holly oat they have taken in their heart for mother Armenia, and die at least five years earlier.

[gegev]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

nobody wants to go back to the soviet days that you have to learn a foreign language (russian) to get a good job. If i lived in armenia i would demonstrate against this as well.

Naxkinum rusakan dprots avartac hay “elitarner@” irar het miajn ruseren ein xosum, isk mjus hayeri het; kotrtvac rusaxarn hayerenov irenc “aravelutyun@” mjus; ruseren imtcog bajts hayeren xosog mer hayrenakitcneri nkatmamb "cucadrelu" hamar.

Nrants mi masy nujnisk ditmamb ein kotratvac rusaxarn hayerenov xosum; da hamarelov irents aravelutyan “ccun - evident” apacujc.

Ete ajdpes sharunakvi nujn@ kpatahi naev anglaxosneri mot; nrank el kamachen, nujnisk imanalu depqum, sahun chkotrtvats hajerenov xosel; vaxenalov or irents “hetamnats” kanvanen.

Aha sa “elitarneri” masin mer naxkinum ancac dasy.
This is our lessons learned in past; about Russian speaking “elite”.

Նախկինում ռուսական դպրոց ավարտած հայ "էլիտարները" իրար հետ միայն ռուսերեն էին խոսում, իսկ մյուս հայերի հետ՝ կոտրատված ռուսախառն հայերենով՝ իրենց "առավելությոնը" մյուս, այդ լեզուն իմացող բայց հայերեն խոսող, մեր հայրենակիցների նկատմամբ "ցուցադրելու" համար:

Նրանց մի մասը նույնիսկ դիտմամբ էին կոտրատված ռուսախառը հայերենով խոսում` դա համարելով իրենց առավելության "ցցուն" ապացույց:

Եթե այդպես շարունակվի նույնը կպատահի նաեւ անգլախոսների մոտ՝ նրանք էլ "կամաչեն" , նույնիսկ իմանալու դեպքոմ, սահուն չկոտրտված հայերենով խոսել՝ վախենալով որ իրենց "հետամնաց" կհամարեն:

Ահա սա է "էլիտարների" մասին նախկինում անցած մեր դասը:

[Tigranakert]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

You cannot post proper responses, so you resort to name calling. That's great.

Says who? A few posts ago you called (quote) ''.......You really are an idiot.'' Haykakan an idiot. Again, you show can not be taken seriously, as you don't even see your wrongs, but as you are not mentally 100%, you will write some other story to defend this.

I have met several Armenians who have spent most of their lives in foreign countries. They all display the same sort of liberal values as you do, and brag about how they visit Armenia all the time; however, their lives are not in Armenia. It's only fair for me to draw the similarities.

I have met several Armenians who have spent most of their lives in Armenia, and guess what, they are fiercly anti-Armenians, display nothing of Armenian culture and have turned their backs towards Armenia, so? What you are doing here is very dangerous, but it's your own life, I will never make a difference between Armenians who live in Armenia and Armenians who live outside of Armenia (my definition of Armenian is also probably something else as yours).

I remember some time ago I dissected Haykakan's post that was full of tactics feminist use when arguing. The above quote is a very good example.
Have a read: [I]If one cannot argue then he/she simply attempts to discredit the other person, paint him/her as a crazy, lunatic, whom no one takes seriously. After all if that person is discredited, then his/her arguments will not need to be countered. All feminists (and most western women) argue in this fashion.

This is getting boring, when you are wrong or you can't say anything, you come up with the feminist story. Try something new because this doesn't work.

Aha, tesnum em vor uzum es yes ko het hayeren xosam? Inch asem, ete do hayastanum ches mecace, ayle anckacrel es kyankit mecamasnutyun@ hayastanic durs apa vonc du karox es haskanal inchkan kerevore vor hayastan@ pahi ir kulturan. Bayc iharke, du yev ays enker@ vor@ iran kochume "haykakan" chek haskanum vor ayn or@ yerb hay kanaik iranc payen vonc vor "arevelyan kanaik" klini ayn or@ yerb hayastan@ kkorcanvi. Menk hay enk vorovhetev darerov mek menk pahel enk mer hay culturan, pahel en mer hay kananc pative@, yev pahel en mer hay txamardkanc hargank@. Du da ches haskanum.

Ara debil gjada, du vochmi ban el ches haskanum. I am not saying Diaspora Armenians are holy, because in my opinion there are a small number of Armenians as I do not like to call all of them Armenians (in short, those who see Armenia as their motherland, who raise their children using Armenian, who will do everything so Armenia will progress and who'se eventuel goal is to repatriate to Armenia etc...). As with that, there are enough Armenians in Armenia who do more harm to our republic than good. What you talk about is just nonsense, because the discussion is not even about this subject. You are just generalizing everything, just like this project which you know for sure it is for ''profits'', again hallucinating.

I would bet you would not come as close as we did and a lot of other Diaspora Armenians, for for 400 years we have maintained our Armenian heritage (language, culture, customs) in a foreign country, which is the ultimate proof. You have too high esteem and must understand Armenia is not your country, it is the country of all Armenians, be it Armenians in the Spyurk or Armenians who live in Armenia, you must accept that. Du es et himar txen wor vochmi ban chi haskanum, du et hetamnacac hayerices wor karcumen shat xelaci baic stic durs en talis ameninch. Mexk es, urish ban chem karox asem.

Wow, rather suddle, but a clear example of the feminazi style of argument. You must have had some great teachers in your "women's studies" course.

Again? Come up with something else, as you proved you really hallucinate and just come up with new stories whenever your ''arguments'' are proven wrong. It's easy, first you said it's only for profit, then I showed you they stated that the commission is made of succesful Armenians and non-Armenians who will lead the operation, but you ignore that and you prefer to believe the negative side, that it's still only for the profit instead of being optimistic and give it a chance. Are you happy with yourself?

You're getting a little predictable now, this is at least the third time you have so far use the feminazi tactic of "discredit with lies so there is no need to counter an argument"

Who is getting predictable, just as you accused me of using the word ''lunatic'', you did the same thing. And now again, it is the other way around, you are using the feminist hallucination story, which I don't bother.

Damn, now that's an amateur mistake. Most feminazis stop using this one early on. Trying to establish that I'm too young to know anything, and hence there is no need for the continuation of the argument as you are correct due to seniority. And here I was thinking you had more schooling than that.

Hahaha, why don't you write a book for the mentally ill?

Again, the discussion is not what he could do with 60 million, because it is not for us to decide what others must do with their money. If you are so concerned, go and criticize the rich Armenians in Armenia who put their money on the banks instead of making ''specialized'' schools. The discussion is about this one project, also not about other low-quality Russian schools. You have not come up with one argument but just merely assumptions and made up ''stories''.

Philanthropy? Let's see. 600 students total, out of which 400 will be foreign and 200 Armenian. Of the 200 Armenian students 80% will get a free-ride, so 20% or 40 students will pay full price. This means a total of 440 students will pay full tuition which will amount to $4.4 million per year in tuition fees. Considering they would want 10 students per class, then they will need around 60 teachers. Being generous, lets say each teacher would get $12,000 per year, for a total of $720,000 per year in teaching costs. One can rack up another $280,000 in administrative and other costs, for a total of $1,000,000 leaving $3.4 million in total profit. Let's see, total revenue $4.4 million, total profit at $3.4 million. I believe that makes it a 77% profit margin.

As a reference, microsoft, which is one of the most profitable companies in the world has around the same profit to revenue ration. This, of course, makes the entire school project a VERY profitable business venture. That, my friend, cannot be considered Philanthropy. Even if total profit is brought down to $1.0 million leaving $3.4 million in costs, that would still be around 20% profit, same as HP.

That's your definition of philanthropy I suppose.

Thank you for proving you can not make the simplest calculation. I am not saying (in contrary to you) I can do it, because it is far too complicated, but I can say you are wrong (as you most of the time are).

First fault, 60% of the total students will study under scholarships, and 80% of the Armenian student will study under scholarships, which means everyone will eventually pay 10,000 dollars. It means the total budget of the school will be 6 million a year.

The teaching staff will comprimise out of foreign highly-educated teachers and local teachers. Foreign teachers will not work for less than 30,000 dollars per year in Armenia. The costs of the teachers only will at least be 1 million dollars a year. The cost of all the other jobs (cleaners, administrative jobs, external) and maintenance of all the buildings, approximately 1 million dollars.

Around 4 million dollars will remain (which, ofcourse is not correct because it's impossible to calculate these costs, but for you, hallucination Levon, we will try).

Second big fault, it is a boarding school (you haven't even read the basics about the school yet you claim to know so much about it?). This means the 600 students AND teachers will live on campus, and ALL their living expenses, food, shelter, sport, recreativity, book, and others will be paid by their school. At a minimum, this will cost around 6000 dollars per year for a student (actually, Armenia is fairly expensive compared to let's say Thailand).

This means, 6000 x 600 = 3,6 million dollars for the students, and for the staff at least 400,000 dollars (accomodation, food, etc).

Wow, 4 million + 1 million + 1 million, is around 6 million! There is no room for profit... and if so, if he would make 1 million profit a year, it would take 60 YEARS for this billionaire to make his investment back not even making profit, he would be dead by then wouldn't he? And do you understand, he is a billionaire? He could do far more profitable projects with his precious time than to start a boarding school in Armenia.

Pessimism, negativism, hallucination and made up stories are the words which fit you best, Levon. You should join the HAK (ANC) as their whole ideology is based upon these words.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Can't stop but thinking how you would have reacted if I would have posted years ago a message bout Ralph Yerikian and praising him he choose to come and work in Armenia (a Diasporan Armenian). You would have probably stated he came just for the profit (even though he could have earned more in some other country, he has stated that himself in an interview). You would say he is not a real Armenian, because he is raised in another country and his heart, sould and mind does not think ''Armenian''. Also, he would not have taken care of the pativ@ of his wive, compared to the holy Armenians in Armenia.

Yet he came, had a great influence on Armenia as a whole (economically, culturally). I just want to say, never again think you can state who is a ''real'' Armenian, or who would be helpful for the Armenian nation (economically, culturally) and who would not.