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  • #31
    Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

    Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
    It seems like you cannot understand the simple fact that the issue of the statute is a community issue regarding Russian citizens of Armenian descent. By making it bigger than it actually is, it shows your sillyness and you immaturity regarding politics. A few years back there was an issue regarding lowering the US flag in the city of glendale to half-staff in honor of the victims of the Armenian genocide. community members debated the issue passionately. In the end, the city decided against putting lowering the flag to half staff. This was only a community matter. Only an idiot would link this to foreign policy issues, and geo-politics. it is an internal, domestic issue on the community level. The point is, you have no point.


    I was the first one here to mention how it was wrong to go ahead with putting it up without approval. that's not the issue here. YOu're mixing up Armenia's foreign policy and interlinking it with ordinary Armenians feelings towards not allowing the statute. That's quite a stupid linkage. Armenia's government is not compromising it's relations with strategic parthner russia over the statute--it is internal russian domestic matters, none of the business of Armenia in the first place.




    Obviously, you know nothing about statehood, nationhood. What differeniates nations? What differentiates the Turk from the Armenian? why is it that you even care about Armenia? Nations have national figures. Armenians that led the struggle, gave their lives, so that Armenians can stay Armenian, preserve their faith. These are the very figures responsible for Armenian exeistance. A nation that does not honor the memory of its heroes, those that gave their lives for the nation, is a doomed nation. It is their struggle that we're continuing, otherwise, what are we fighting for anyways?

    a statute is perpetuating the memory, and not letting it be forgotten.

    let me put it like this, IF A STATUTE IS SO UNIMPORTANT, WHY ARE TURKS SO AGAINST IT? BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO FORGET OUR HEROES, THEY WANT US TO FORGET 'STRUGGLE'.

    During the artsakh struggle, author andranig chalabian wrote the book, "Revolutionary figures" as inspiration for Artsakh freedom fighters. he didn't say, "what wil a small thing like a book change." only small minds with no soul and no heart won't understand what it could change.

    As for what soghomon tehlerians monument has done, i believe it was not coincidental that the brave city of Fresno produced two great freedom fighters from the diaspora:

    Karo Qaqejian:



    Monte Melkonian:

    It is you who made it a big issue and started spreading your Russophobic ideas. You views on Russia are well known, as well as on Serj. If I remember correctly you were the one who supported ltp in 2007/8. Now you are lecturing me about nationalism and geopolitics? And fyi, internal issues can quickly become external ones. Case in point, a street trader lighting himself on fire in January and now we have the so called Arab Spring. I am not saying that this statue issue will become something like that, just pointing out how things are inter related and we should not treat them as if they exist in a vacuum.

    I never mentioned the Armenian government making this a foreign policy issue, if anything, the Armenian government suggested that the Armenians of Sochi follow the city order and work with the local government to come to an agreement. As has been stated, Adler, a suburb of Sochi, was chosen as the location. End of story.

    Oh, I am glad the statue brought 2 men from a city that had over 25,000 people of Armenian descent. Exceptions do not prove the rule, and there is barely a correlation here either. Let's remember one thing, it was the Armenians of Artsakh that did the vast majority of the fighting and dying, not the big talking diaspora.
    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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    • #32
      Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
      It is you who made it a big issue and started spreading your Russophobic ideas. You views on Russia are well known, as well as on Serj. If I remember correctly you were the one who supported ltp in 2007/8. Now you are lecturing me about nationalism and geopolitics?
      I am not a Russophone. Secondly, LTP had support of the overwhelming majority of the Yerkrapah union of war veteran, including General Manvel--who is hardline and opposes the return of ANY territories. LTP had the backing Jirayr Seiflyan. LTP had the backing of Sassoun Mikaleyan. It was not in agreement with LTP that they backed LTP, but to oust Serje for his defeatist views.

      If you're not forgetting, Serje when he came to power undertook many things that LTP was accused of. The protocol, putting the genocide under question, and recognizing turkey's boundaries--something that even ltp didn't dare to do.

      If was only after the Turks made a fool of him and embarrased the his govt after tricking them into signing the protocols did he change his stance, after he got a taste what turks were made of. the serj sarkissian administration has still failed to void the failed protocols, especially after the turks continually link it to a pro-azeri settlement of the nk conflict. this is not good policy. Also bad policy is continuing to negotiate under duresss while azeris are violating the ceassefire. In effect, Serje DID what your types accused LTP WOULD DO.


      Oh, I am glad the statue brought 2 men from a city that had over 25,000 people of Armenian descent. Exceptions do not prove the rule, and there is barely a correlation here either. Let's remember one thing, it was the Armenians of Artsakh that did the vast majority of the fighting and dying, not the big talking diaspora
      That sounds Armeno-phobic to me.
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      • #33
        Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

        Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
        I am not a Russophone. Secondly, LTP had support of the overwhelming majority of the Yerkrapah union of war veteran, including General Manvel--who is hardline and opposes the return of ANY territories. LTP had the backing Jirayr Seiflyan. LTP had the backing of Sassoun Mikaleyan. It was not in agreement with LTP that they backed LTP, but to oust Serje for his defeatist views.

        If you're not forgetting, Serje when he came to power undertook many things that LTP was accused of. The protocol, putting the genocide under question, and recognizing turkey's boundaries--something that even ltp didn't dare to do.

        If was only after the Turks made a fool of him and embarrased the his govt after tricking them into signing the protocols did he change his stance, after he got a taste what turks were made of. the serj sarkissian administration has still failed to void the failed protocols, especially after the turks continually link it to a pro-azeri settlement of the nk conflict. this is not good policy. Also bad policy is continuing to negotiate under duresss while azeris are violating the ceassefire. In effect, Serje DID what your types accused LTP WOULD DO.

        All those military men you just listed are idiots when it comes to politics and should have stuck to what they know best, military strategy. Would you be ok with an MP wanting to become a general in the Armenian military? If the manvel you mention is the choban from Etchmiadzin then you have really discredited yourself. He is one of the most corrupt and uncouth people in Armenia.

        Open borders with turkey was a good idea and still remains so. Turkey has nothing major to gain from open borders. It was under pressure from Russia and the US to make an attempt but the azeri's used their influence and the turkish nationalists riled up the public. Armenia on the other had did have much to gain, such as a new route to the outside world, huge market, and the dependence on the banana republic of georgia would drop considerably thus enhancing Armenia's security. It is certain hysterical elements within the diaspora who tried to paint Serj and co as wanting to sell out the nation, again showing their political immaturity.

        Anyway, this issue has been discussed at length and further talk of it belongs in the relevent thread, not this one.




        That sounds Armeno-phobic to me.
        You support ltp, it does not get anymore Armenophobic than that.



        The Real face of Levon Ter Petrosyan ( HAK ) part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwAX...mbedded#at=482

        The Real face of Levon Ter Petrosyan ( HAK ) - part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTFSa...eature=related
        For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
        to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



        http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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        • #34
          Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

          Originally posted by Armanen View Post
          That's not what a Syrian-Armenian friend from Allepo told me. He said for the past few years the government has limited Armenian political activities when they touch upon the Genocide, which is really the only political issue that Armenians in the Middle East diaspora get involved in.
          This is from this year http://www.mfa.am/en/gallery/item/2011/04/24/syria/
          A couple of years ago http://www.azad-hye.net/news/viewnew...wsId=621azzj41

          I don't know what political activity the Halebtsi is talking about but in general political activities are not allowed in Syria anyway .

          Middle Eastern Armenians are active in repatriation activities and Artsakh/Javakhk issue too. I think Artsakh has an office open in Lebanon and Lebarmos were one of strongest contributors to the Artsakh war.
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          • #35
            Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

            Originally posted by Federate View Post
            This is from this year http://www.mfa.am/en/gallery/item/2011/04/24/syria/
            A couple of years ago http://www.azad-hye.net/news/viewnew...wsId=621azzj41

            I don't know what political activity the Halebtsi is talking about but in general political activities are not allowed in Syria anyway .

            Middle Eastern Armenians are active in repatriation activities and Artsakh/Javakhk issue too. I think Artsakh has an office open in Lebanon and Lebarmos were one of strongest contributors to the Artsakh war.

            I'll be speaking with him again real soon and I will ask for specific examples. As for the Armenians from Lebanon, I know some went but how many? No more than a few hundred at most (from what I know).
            For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
            to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



            http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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            • #36
              Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

              Originally posted by Armanen View Post
              All those military men you just listed are idiots when it comes to politics and should have stuck to what they know best, military strategy.
              You are a hypocrite. You criticize Frenso and diasporan Armenians because not enough of them joined the armed struggle in Artsakh (I'm sure all your uncles and cousins went ), and yet mock the very natives who put their life on the line, faught for, and liberated Armenian territory as being idiots when it comes to politics. You know what, when you become a citizen of Armenia and live there, and put your life on the line defending its boundaries, then and only then will you have any right to voice any opinion whatsoever regarding how best to manage the country. I don't know what Institute of Political Governance Serj Sarkissian earned his phd from, but Serje is a man just like the rest of them and he's got so special gene to make him a politician and the rest idiots.

              If the manvel you mention is the choban from Etchmiadzin then you have really discredited yourself. He is one of the most corrupt and uncouth people in Armenia.
              Manvel would have you for lunch! Don't talk so big behind a computer, it is silly.

              Turkey has nothing major to gain from open borders. It was under pressure from Russia and the US to make an attempt but the azeri's used their influence and the turkish nationalists riled up the public. Armenia on the other had did have much to gain, such as a new route to the outside world, huge market, and the dependence on the banana republic of georgia would drop considerably thus enhancing Armenia's security. It is certain hysterical elements within the diaspora who tried to paint Serj and co as wanting to sell out the nation, again showing their political immaturity.
              In line with LTP's views.


              You support ltp, it does not get anymore Armenophobic than that.



              The Real face of Levon Ter Petrosyan ( HAK ) part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwAX...mbedded#at=482

              The Real face of Levon Ter Petrosyan ( HAK ) - part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTFSa...eature=related
              I don't support LTP at all. However, I would advise you send those links to President Serj Sargsyan, who is currently in dealings with LTP to cut a power sharing deal ahead of the elections coming up.
              BUY "WHO IS MONTE." Proceeds from this film will benefit the families of the fallen soldiers of the Karabagh war. Available at: www.armenianmusic.com

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              • #37
                Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

                I would rather Russia doesn't rcognize the AG than to make us tear down the Statue of our good General and relocate it, for the Turks.

                Originally posted by Mos View Post
                ...and I highly doubt Russians would betray us like that for Turks).
                I like your optimism.
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                • #38
                  Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

                  Originally posted by Artsakh View Post

                  Manvel would have you for lunch!
                  Very primitive form of politics !!

                  Are you implying he is a very primitive politician?
                  Last edited by londontsi; 06-14-2011, 12:39 AM.
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #39
                    Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

                    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                    Very primitive form of politics !!

                    Are you implying he is a very primitive politician?
                    No, he's not a politician at all. He's a military man, a fearless lion who puts shiver down the boots of his enemies, domestic and external (ie azeris).



                    god i love this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Last edited by Artsakh; 06-14-2011, 01:05 AM.
                    BUY "WHO IS MONTE." Proceeds from this film will benefit the families of the fallen soldiers of the Karabagh war. Available at: www.armenianmusic.com

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                    • #40
                      Re: Armenian hero�s monument opened in Sochi

                      Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
                      No, he's not a politician at all. He's a military man, a fearless lion who puts shiver down the boots of his enemies, domestic and external (ie azeris).



                      god i love this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      I have no doubt he is a good man and a good patriot.
                      I was only responding to your characterization.
                      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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