Armenian hero’s monument opened in Sochi

[londontsi]

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People are not stuck in the same opinions/beliefs till the end of their lives, especially when it comes to volatile geopolitical issues... sometimes it's the circumstances that dictate you to have a change of mind.

That's very true.
Specially when it applies to an individual.
I certainly have changed my mind over time based on realisation of my misjudgements, maturity, life experience etc.

Things are slightly different when one has an audience and therefore a “loyal” following.
This following has been built over time based on arguments presented .

What should the audience do, walk away or taken in with the new arguments.
How can he build another “loyal” audience if he has the proviso “I have every right to change my mind depending on circumstances”.

Not sure how such a blog can have credibility and taken seriously.

[Lucin]

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At one time, the "author" of that blog was blindly supporting the ARF. Now he has turned to talking against "nationalists" and blindly supporting the Russian Federation no matter what she may do....very strange personality indeed...

People are not stuck in the same opinions/beliefs till the end of their lives, especially when it comes to volatile geopolitical issues... sometimes it's the circumstances that dictate you to have a change of mind.

[Artsakh]

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At one time, the "author" of that blog was blindly supporting the ARF. Now he has turned to talking against "nationalists" and blindly supporting the Russian Federation no matter what she may do....very strange personality indeed...

[londontsi]

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From the information available there are two possibilities why this statue was not allowed to stay where it was erected.

Either ( as explained by the officials ) no planning procedure were followed and therefore the official decision was “justified”, OR
there was political pressure from Turkey not to allow this statue to remain.

Only way forward is to call the Russian Authorities bluff and put in an application for a statue and see if they drag their feet.

If permission is granted we get the statue, better late than never.
If we do not get a permission then we know why.
Then time for grass root campaign and pressure on the authorities.

[Artsakh]

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http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/

Excellent points made in the above blog.

What "excellent points" does he make? Was he expecting ordinary, patriotic Armenians, who don't care for politics, to be happy? Naturally ordinary Armenians would be upset over taking the statue down in Sochi, as every Armenian should be.

as for the argument, " political influence is attained not by erecting monuments here and there and felling good about it but by making deals behind closed doors!", that's not very well thought out. The Armenian community is NOT seeking to "attain political influence through erecting monuments." The statute is to a small, simply, and symbolic sign of honor for the Armenian community, and it is their right as citizens of russia to seek it. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DISMANTLE THE MONUMENT TO SOGHOMON TEHLERIAN, BECAUSE IT DOES NOTING TO FURTHER POLITICS? o, right, the ordinary, patriotic Armenians don't care for politics, the statute is just a small sign of respect for the Armenian community in the US, and something ordinary armenians to be proud of. It doesn't matter that it doesn't further politics. Everytime i visit, every time parents visit with their children and tell them about this great hero, and instill in their hearts patriotism, that helps keep them Armenian and thus serves an important function.

Nevertheless, general Andarnik's statue ultimately belongs in Armenia - not in Russia, not anywhere else.

That's not for you to say. Once you live in and become a citizen of Russia, then you will have any right to voice any opinion on the matter whatsoever. If your goal is the demolishments of statues in honor of Armenian heroes, however, it is your right (as a US citizen) to start a campaign to take down the one devoted to Soghomon Tehlerian in Fresno.

The Armenian community should have obtained permission before putting up the statute, that goes without saying, but the arguements that "author" makes, such as "Why should we Armenians expect Russian officials to sabotage their dealings with Turk over a statue that ultimately belongs in Armenia."

That is a silly and immature argument for someone who claims to have half a brain to make. Armenians in Russia are citizens in that country and have cultural rights. That was not a political issue between russia and Armenia, but an internal domestic issue regarding Russian citizens. The fact that Armenians have a monument to Soghomon Tehlerian in Fresno DOESN'T get in the way of strategic alliance between Turkey and the US It is the right of Armenians as citizens of the US to have monument, and Turkey has no right nor business interferring in the rights and lives of American citizens of Armenian origin.

It would have been nice to have one of our famous generals' statue proudly displayed in Russia. Perhaps one day such a thing will become a reality.

One day came sooner than our 'friend' could have imagined. The statute is proudly erected in Adler, Russia.

[Armanen]

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http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/

Excellent points made in the above blog.

[Artsakh]

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Armenian Ministry: General Andranik’s statue will be erected near Sochi

The statue of Armenian General Andranik Ozanian that was dismantled in the Russian city of Sochi even before being ceremonially unveiled late last month will be moved to a nearby town, a spokesman for Armenia’s Diaspora Ministry confirmed on Wednesday.

In an interview with Tert.am Tevos Nersisyan said that the local Armenian community had ignored the municipal regulations while erecting the four-meter-tall monument to the revered Armenian national hero of the late 19th-early 20th centuries.

“The Armenians initiated, ordered and got the statue ready and erected it without asking the authorities [for permission], failing to observe the basic regulations,” the Ministry’s representative explained, adding that after days of negotiations the local authorities had allowed the statue to be transported to Adler, which is home to a larger Armenian community.

The monument to General Andranik in the village of Volkonka near Sochi was to be ceremonially unveiled on May 28, the day marked by Armenians as First Republic Day in memory of the short-lived independent statehood in 1918-1920. But the night before the event the monument was unexpectedly dismantled and removed by the Sochi representatives of the Union of Armenians of Russia (UAR), who explained the move by the pressure from the Sochi municipality. The UAR later pledged to settle the matter.

Source: http://armenianow.com/news/30254/and...n_statue_sochi

[Artsakh]

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General Andranik’s statue will be erected in Adler

21:20 • 08.06.11

Armenian General Andranik Ozanyan’s statue in the Russian city of Sochi has been dismantled to be moved to Adler, the spokesperson of Armenia’s Ministry of Diaspora has said.

Speaking to Tert.am Tevos Nersisyan said that the local Armenian community had ignored municipal regulations while erecting the four-meter high statue.

“The Armenians initiated, ordered, get the statue ready and erected it without asking the authorities [for permission], not observing basic regulations,” said Nersisyan.

“A city’s architecture has its clear-cut rules, hasn’t it?” he asked.

The monument built by Armenian artist Marat Minasyan was to be presented to the public on May 28, the day Armenia celebrates the anniversary of its First Republic.

However, after it was erected, the mayor of Sochi, Anatoli Pakhomov, issued a decision, urging the Armenians to tear it down. The statue was demolished on May 27.

Further, Nersisyan played down the incident, saying that the statue will not fade into oblivion as after days of negotiations the local authorities permitted to transport it another Russian city - Adler – whish is home to a larger Armenian community.

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2011/06/08/andranik/

[Artsakh]

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F**king weasals, no backbone. On the positive side, I am glad. Glad because this shows Turks still hate and fear General Andranik. I believe it was Ataturk who said, "in order to conquer the Armenian nation, we must do it not by miliarily, but by preventing the births of future Andranik's."

Turks are trying to erase our history, our cementaries, our churches, our crossstones, and our heroes. This should serve to wake up some sleeping Armenians.

Last I heard the statue is going to be moved elsewhere out of the city. But by goly, this is silly. It would be like the US forbidding the statute to Soghomon Tehlerian in Fresno. This is really bullxxxx, but what remains correct, is that they should have complied with city regulations and obtained express permission before putting it up in the first place. There are rules and regulations everyone must abide by.

[Mos]

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It's a shame the city is bowing down to Turkish pressure. Is there anybody that can stand up to the Turks? Or is everybody afraid of angering them?