Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

This individual seems to be referred to as a traitor.
Respectfully I disagree.

He is the result of treachery which puts him in a category which I am unable to characterise.

If you read carefully the news report these are the facts.

His father married a Muslim woman.
He attended a Madrassa.
He must have done this either with the approval or indifference of his father.
Considering the study age of a youngster attending a Madrassa is between the ages of 4-16 he would hardly have had a say in his upbringing.
If anything he must have been a dedicated smart kid as a youngster, even ambitious, characteristics Armenians relish.
Very sadly he was put in front of the wrong tree of life to climb.

Who's decision was that? hardly his.

The symptom makes me equally full of anger, shame and a loss (as an Armenian) of this “Armenian” individual’s route in his short life.

But look at the root cause.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

This individual seems to be referred to as a traitor.
Respectfully I disagree.

He is the result of treachery which puts him in a category which I am unable to characterise.

If you read carefully the news report these are the facts.

His father married a Muslim woman.
He attended a Madrassa.
He must have done this either with the approval or indifference of his father.
Considering the study age of a youngster attending a Madrassa is between the ages of 4-16 he would hardly have had a say in his upbringing.
If anything he must have been a dedicated smart kid as a youngster, even ambitious, characteristics Armenians relish.
Very sadly he was put in front of the wrong tree of life to climb.

Who's decision was that? hardly his.

The symptom makes me equally full of anger, shame and a loss (as an Armenian) of this “Armenian” individual’s route in his short life.

But look at the root cause.

Well his father must have converted to Islam in order to have married to Muslim woman. There isn't any other way.

[retro]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

Whilst it's possible it's unlikely that Manukyan was killed by his Tatar brothers on ethnic grounds. Since Manukyan isn't the only Muslim cleric to be deposed recently in Tatarstan and the Wahhabis are clearly intent upon making inroads in Russia. As so-called "moderate Islam" is on it's way out and the Sunni death cultists are on the march.

The insurgency in Russia's North Caucasus - which is comprised of the regions of Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Karachayevo-Cherkessia and Kabardino-Balkaria - claims to follow this fundamentalist form of Islam.

"The Salafis and Wahhabis constitute a very great danger. There are no moderates among them. They all finish one day by taking up arms," the newly elected mufti of Tatarstan, Ildus Faizov, said in an interview with AFP. He said he believes the "traditional Islam" of Tatarstan is threatened by these extremist forms, spread first by preachers who came in from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Egypt after the fall of the Soviet Union, and later by Tatars who have studied abroad.

"Many students who are trained in the Arab world come back heavily influenced by an ideology that is alien to our Islam," stressed Marat Gatin, an official in charge of relations with religious groups in the administration of the president of Tatarstan. Elected in April after the resignation of his predecessor, who was judged too lenient towards Islamists, mufti Faizov has mounted a crackdown on extremists among the Muslim clergy of this republic of four million inhabitants.

From now on, imams are no longer freely elected by parishioners but chosen from a list of candidates picked by the mufti, and numerous imams have already been dismissed. One of the first to be let go was Nail Sakhibzyanov, an imam from the Almetyevsk district, considered a bastion of radical Islam.

"On April 30, the FSB (security services), police and local administrators gathered the district imams at the town hall and forced them to publicly vote me out," he told AFP in the Rizaetdin Fakhretdin central mosque in Almetyevsk. "It was the FSB who sacked me, not the faithful."

Sakhibzyanov said he sees nothing wrong with associating with Wahhabis and other fundamentalist followers of Islam, whom he believes are mistakenly accused of being a threat. "We are all Muslims," he stressed.

http://xxx.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...lam-2011-05-30

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

Whilst it's possible it's unlikely that Manukyan was killed by his Tatar brothers on ethnic grounds. Since Manukyan isn't the only Muslim cleric to be deposed recently in Tatarstan and the Wahhabis are clearly intent upon making inroads in Russia. As so-called "moderate Islam" is on it's way out and the Sunni death cultists are on the march.

You can't reason with these people. Which begs the question, when Tsarist Russia annihilated the cherkess people in 18th century, why didn't they take care of the rest of the scum in north caucus, why is that region allowed to be like this till this time? Stalin had the right idea about these people, Siberia. Declare North caucus a military zone except north/south ossetia of course, no one gets in, no one goes out. problem solved.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

Well his father must have converted to Islam in order to have married to Muslim woman. There isn't any other way.

If he was sent to a madrassa at a tender age of 4 how is he ever going to know what an Armenian is.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?53376-What-is-the-best-age-to-start-madrassa

Probably he would not even know the significance of his name and how he differs from the other kids.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

Stop trolling please.

This is being said by someone whose one word response to the news of a person's murder was "traitor"!

You never fail to disgust, never fail to reach a new low.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

You can't reason with these people. Which begs the question, when Tsarist Russia annihilated the cherkess people in 18th century, why didn't they take care of the rest of the scum in north caucus, why is that region allowed to be like this till this time? Stalin had the right idea about these people, Siberia. Declare North caucus a military zone except north/south ossetia of course, no one gets in, no one goes out. problem solved.

And yet you complain about the Turks getting rid of the "scum" in the south side of the Caucasus? So you think genocide is fine and wonderful, except when it is being inflicted on you.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

This is being said by someone whose one word response to the news of a person's murder was "traitor"!

You never fail to disgust, never fail to reach a new low.

No I'm referring to your character assassination that you made. Any Armenian who converts to Islam is automatically a traitor. The murder is tragic, but that sentiment still stands.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

No I'm referring to your character assassination that you made. Any Armenian who converts to Islam is automatically a traitor. The murder is tragic, but that sentiment still stands.

What "character assasination"? You are a textbook "Superior Armenian", with your "Any Armenian who converts to Islam is automatically a traitor" attutude.

Mos's standard copypaste is "any Armenian who .............. is automatically a traitor". The dots can be filled in by whatever is his latest bugbear. "Any Armenian who isn't a member of the Armenian Church", "any Armenian who marries a non-Armenian", "any Armenian who listens to rock music", any Armenian who doesn't want to see every tree in Yerevan cut down", "any Armenian who has a 'liberal mind' (whatever that is?)" .... the list is endless, but mostly it comes down to "any Armenian who disagrees with Mos"!

[Mos]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

What "character assasination"? You are a textbook "Superior Armenian", with your "Any Armenian who converts to Islam is automatically a traitor" attutude.

Mos's standard copypaste is "any Armenian who .............. is automatically a traitor". The dots can be filled in by whatever is his latest bugbear. "Any Armenian who isn't a member of the Armenian Church", "any Armenian who marries a non-Armenian", "any Armenian who listens to rock music", any Armenian who doesn't want to see every tree in Yerevan cut down", "any Armenian who has a 'liberal mind' (whatever that is?)" .... the list is endless, but mostly it comes down to "any Armenian who disagrees with Mos"!

The character assassination of portraying me as someone I'm not. The fact of any armenian who converts to Islam being a traitor is rather universally accepted, and this comes straight from the Genocide where the Armenians that converted to Islam assimilated into Turks, thus any Armenian who does so, is continuing that horrible practice. I'm sure a great majority of Armenians would agree with this fact.

I've never said an Armenian is traitor for the statements that you make further on, so please stop making things up. The issue of some liberal ideals infiltrating Armenian society has more to do with the changing of the times than someone being a traitor, but that's a discussion for the appropriate thread which I made.