Destruction of the Armenian Cemetery at Djulfa

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Destruction of the Armenian Cemetery at Djulfa

Fancy theroy doesn't make you right.

You are the one with the fancy theory that restricts your behaviour. Don't you get it!
I give up on you. You understand nothing and want to stay that way.

[TomServo]

Re: Destruction of the Armenian Cemetery at Djulfa

That bridge is located in Bosnia and Herzegovina, not Kosovo.

[bell-the-cat]

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That bridge is located in Bosnia and Herzegovina, not Kosovo.

And was destroyed by Croats, after being shelled successively by Croat and "Bosniac" forces.

[bell-the-cat]

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first of all,we preserve all the foreign heritage,a lot of churches,fountains and worshipping places.thats why turkey attracts a number of christian tourists for worshipping tourizm.lets face it,Actually you can gather with these sentences indirectly that turkey didnt preserve them properly.

Firstly, your definition of non-Islamic monuments in Turkey as "foreign heritage" displays a lot of nationalistic indoctrination.
Setting that aside, Turkey doesn't adequately preserve anyones heritage, not even its "own". Look for a typical Ottoman-period urban centre and you have to travel to Greece or Bulgaria. Turkey has one of the worst records of preserving historical monuments anywhere in the World. There are, in relation to its size and its overall number of buildings, fewer historical buildings in Turkey than in any other country in Europe. The concept of preserving an intact historical urban environment just doesn't exit. Whole medieval cities have been bulldozed. Everywhere in Turkey is full of identikit concrete appartment blocks. You can visit town after town that may be 3000 years old, and see in them nothing older than the 1960s. The average Turk hasn't got any comprehension of what an historical building is anyway, and can't see any use for them.

[crusader1492]

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because of this turkey has a lot of roman empire and byzantine empire ruins.and especially in IZMIR,you see and visit ephesus historical enviroments,ruins.I can give you a lot of example.....there are some UNESCO"s world historical heritage places be preserved..expatriates reckon turkey as a historical paradise.If you inspect systematically,you will notice that turkey attracts much more tourists than any other countries,with ITALY,SPAIN,GREECE and TURKIYE.....

Perhaps this is true. But isn't it ironic that this "historical paridise" has nothing to do with turks or turkey. What have the turks contributed?

[bell-the-cat]

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Perhaps this is true. But isn't it ironic that this "historical paridise" has nothing to do with turks or turkey. What have the turks contributed?

Turkey is not an "historical paradise", it is an historical near-desert. True, there are a few Greek and Roman ruins preserved in reserves, but "in-the-wild" historical monuments, the sort of things you can see walking down any street in any European town, is rarely found anymore in Turkey.

[bell-the-cat]

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a lot of things!!!! come and see by sight in turkey..

PS, before you give me the same invitation, I should say that I have seen far more of Turkey than you have seen.

[armenica]

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You are the one with the fancy theory that restricts your behaviour. Don't you get it!
I give up on you. You understand nothing and want to stay that way.

I wish that my opinion was only a theory; then at least all would be OK with non-Turkish historical heritage within its borders.

But why give up? You still push for the idea of that the Armenians of diaspora are to be blamed for the disappearance of Armenian churhces (in one way or another) in Turkey, an idea that is absurd to me. You may have been to Turkey and I don't know if you are of Armenian origin or not, but many Armenians I know who travelled to Turkey were not as welcomed as you have been, far less invited to restore Armenien cultural sites in Turkey. Your idea sounds more like the historian professor Cicek who during a conference about the genocide actually claimed that the Armenian diaspora would be grateful for the deportations and even compensate the Turkish government for their expenses during the deportations. Then he invited prof. Dadrian to "take your Armenian disapora money and come to Turkey to research about the genocide". Your implecation about the preservation of Armenian churches doesn't make much more sense than his absurd invitation which caused people laugh.

[armenica]

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first of all,we preserve all the foreign heritage,a lot of churches,fountains and worshipping places.thats why turkey attracts a number of christian tourists for worshipping tourizm.lets face it,Actually you can gather with these sentences indirectly that turkey didnt preserve them properly.but always wanted I say these were triggered because of conflict between russia and ottoman empire time and ARMENIA"S POLITICAL STANCE.and I wanted to point out it,for example If we had cultural heritage,(only assumption)would armenian people protect them.I think of course no!!!especially nowadays,because grave impediment to this,turkey"s continued refusal to establish diplomatic relations with armenia.the genocide is a difficult issue that affects the development of relationship between armenia and turkey.armenia is ready to continue interstate dialogue with the republic of turkey to establish diplomatic relations without any condition.turkey always rejects it.and this causes relentless battle...of course this sparks enmity feelings between two nations,and people can show their rage demolishing each other"s heritage,but we did it older times.now everything is normal.we preserve.I want to know are there muslim population in YEREVAN?

You're a bit late; bell-the-cat has already covered that part.

First: Yes, Turkey might preserve cultural heritage but mostly in the western tourist areas, while the Armenian traces, in name or in physical state, are ereased by all means. Why would then the Turkish government go as low as to change "separatistic" name of the animals?

* Red fox known as Vulpes Vulpes Kurdistanica becomes Vulpes Vulpes
* Wild sheep called Ovis Armeniana becomes Ovis Orientalis Anatolicus
* Roe deer known as Capreolus Capreolus Armenus becomes Capreolus Cuprelus

It a good thing that there are media coverage now days.

Second: You don't know much about Armenia or Yerevan do you? If Yerevan cross your paths in the near future, make sure to visit the Blue Mosque, but most important of all keep a look out for the Iranian students who come to Yerevan in great numbers, as well as the Iranian tourists. Yezidi Kurds are not Muslims, but they have a much much more better situation in Armenia than any religious or ethnic minority in Turkey.

PS. This thread has wandered away from its main objective which is about the destruction of the Armenian cemetary in Nakhichevan, Azerbaijan.

[Anahita]

Re: Destruction of the Armenian Cemetery at Djulfa

You're a bit late; bell-the-cat has already covered that part.

First: Yes, Turkey might preserve cultural heritage but mostly in the western tourist areas, while the Armenian traces, in name or in physical state, are ereased by all means. Why would then the Turkish government go as low as to change "separatistic" name of the animals?

* Red fox known as Vulpes Vulpes Kurdistanica becomes Vulpes Vulpes
* Wild sheep called Ovis Armeniana becomes Ovis Orientalis Anatolicus
* Roe deer known as Capreolus Capreolus Armenus becomes Capreolus Cuprelus

Thank you very much for pointing that out!

Here is an interesting article (I am an ecologist. I see absolutely no 'scientific' basis for a name change. Absurd.):

Paging George Orwell (March 17, 2006)

"ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey has renamed some animal species, saying foreign scientists opposed to its territorial integrity had chosen their former names with ill intent, the Environment Ministry has said....

The ministry said the animals' new names had been chosen as result of scientific studies...

This could be taken right out of Orwell's description of Newspeak; the next logical step will be to phase out the very words "Armenia" and "Kurdistan" from all grammars..."

http://foreigndispatches.typepad.com/dispatches/2005/03/paging_george_o.html