Armenia's Economic Pulse

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

Armenia is not strong enough to do the things that are in her best interest thus she has to ride the coat tails of bigger powers and bow to their interests. Having said this it is i think better to bow to Russia then to any of our other neighbors. The recent coziness between the russians and the turcks is not all bad news for Armenia. Russia still wants to separate the turckish states and its tool for this is still Armenia. This hardly sounds like a fair partnership and it sure isnt but when valueing things one has to consider the opportunity costs(alternatives). Unfortunetely for Armenia the opportunity costs of severing russian influence is far worst. Armenia simply doesnt have many good choices and Russia is the best one out of them.

[gegev]

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Have you already found out that a lot of projects are financed by the same Russians? Russia is Armenia's number one investor and we should be happy for that. Also, without Russia Armenia would not exist, ofcourse we got to try to get as much benifit as we can from certain projects, but the things are the way they are and you can not change it.

Just imagine that Russia would have treated us like Europe or America, we would be screwed big time. We must be lucky that Russians see Armenia as an important and strategic partner/area.

Do you like your arguments?

[UrMistake]

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I have to swear you know why u are diminishing our nation by using such words as ride the coat tails of bigger powers and bow to their interests.

Things are complicated in armenia and we already have oligarchs in political life forms...what is achieved is all done solely by armenian government and its people..russians americans or others will never give money for free ....

Its called lending money with interest...or try to dominate armenian markets..what have russian lost by puting funds in armenia ,do you know how many armenians are rich in russia with there businesses?

Have faith in your selfs were do you live people ??

So if we borrow money from Chine it would be like we are kissing Chinese ass?

[Tigranakert]

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Do you like your arguments?

No, I love them.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

Gagev i have yet to hear anything constructive from you yet you bash tigran for some reason. Yes his arguments do make sence and yeh i like them to. Urmistake i think you need to understand and accept reality for what it is. Yes our nation does ride on the coat tails of super powers and it has no other choice for now. Stating the truth is in no way "diminishing our nation". It is better for everyone to see the world for what it realy is then some rose colored sunglass vision of it. As for national leaders, the rose colored glasses will be fatal for their nation.

[UrMistake]

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Haykakan you live in some other reality u must be in drugs... Frustrating you are man.
Do u even take in mind what i posted?
What are u pessimist !
Give me facts of what have russians do and favor armenia so much or your big powers did for armenia ???

[Haykakan]

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Well the fact is without Russia there would be no Armenia today. I dont know what you dont understand about this simple fact. I am all for living in reality and seeing it for what it realy is. The simple black and white truth is that without Russia there would not be a Armenian repubplic today nor would there be any Armenians left in the caucuses. Russia is the only power on this earth with interest in Armenia wedging the panturckism idea from becoming a reality and it has the power to make it happen. Iran is the only other power who has a intrerest in stoping panturckism but it is not as powerful as russia. Armenia left on its own cannot defend against 90 million turcks. These are the facts and if i am missing anything then please feel free to inlighten me.

[gegev]

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Gagev i have yet to hear anything constructive from you yet you bash tigran for some reason. Yes his arguments do make sence and yeh i like them to. Urmistake i think you need to understand and accept reality for what it is. Yes our nation does ride on the coat tails of super powers and it has no other choice for now. Stating the truth is in no way "diminishing our nation". It is better for everyone to see the world for what it realy is then some rose colored sunglass vision of it. As for national leaders, the rose colored glasses will be fatal for their nation.

OK Армянский let's see.

Turkey is a second grade (third world) country by it’s military power, economy – (astronomical budget deficit), internal stability – (having at least 20 million Kurdish population that is growing with incredible birth rate) and with the image of being barbarian nation worldwide; that slaughtered and occupied the civilized nations lands; and soon or later will face criminal investigation under current international law, given the AG bills are accepted by the world parliaments.

Thus nothing except its geographical location and huge territory is favorable for them currently and yet they are fighting against the superpowers for their national interests fearlessly, they managed/forced to get their ally (US) permission to cooperate with Russia (the US de facto foe) in economic and political areas – they argued fearlessly with America and convinced that having big mutual economic projects with Russians will make them (Russians) vulnerable.

I’m sure you will object that the projects are favorable for US and EU too; I agree, but don’t you accept that Turkey will use them later on against Russians; to confront/hinder their awkward “bear politics” when it is needed for US and EU; note please that even Ukraine (Russian ally) forced by US and EU - does it. They are fortunate enough, during the last century, to get the Christian world permission and support to exterminate Armenian/Greek/etc “gyavurs”. They are not used making concessions to "gyavurs" regardless they are poor or rich.

US and EU tried to convince Turkey; in the PROTOCOL game, to open the borders and ease the world pressure on Turkish ally (US) in terms of accepting AG and making the justice to prevail, to make US claims look like that; they are the major defender of the democracy and justice worldwide . At the same time US and EU told Turkey that by opening the borders and making some minor concession on Artsakh issue; they will stop the AG acceptance worldwide and enjoy the Armenian lands forever. But it failed because Turks are not used giving away things; regardless they are big or minor.

As opposed to …

Thus the week, second grade, Turks are strong in following their national interests and by playing games with Russians, letting US know that they can change their ally. Thus they enforced US take back their advice on opening borders and Artsakh, in order to prevent Turks to become Russian’s ally; as it is a very simple and strong reason for Turks to articulate and support Turkish national interests against their ally; which proved to be very useful tool for centuries.

Thus Turkey can confront superpower – US, Georgia – Russia (loosing only the territories that are not populated with Georgians. And becoming US ally they are allowed to promote their national interests at least in terms of economy) and defend their interests.

But we are “too week”; unlike the two above to reject Russian command on buying their expensive gas instead of the cheap Iranian one.


This is a lamb ideology, isn’t it?

What if Armenia would make the fact known, loudly, worldwide? What will be the world reaction and the Russians answer?

I assume that Russia’s answer will be: “We didn’t know about it, the issue will be settled in no time, sorry, we are a faithful ally of Armenia”.

[levon]

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Well the fact is without Russia there would be no Armenia today. I dont know what you dont understand about this simple fact. I am all for living in reality and seeing it for what it realy is. The simple black and white truth is that without Russia there would not be a Armenian repubplic today nor would there be any Armenians left in the caucuses. Russia is the only power on this earth with interest in Armenia wedging the panturckism idea from becoming a reality and it has the power to make it happen. Iran is the only other power who has a intrerest in stoping panturckism but it is not as powerful as russia. Armenia left on its own cannot defend against 90 million turcks. These are the facts and if i am missing anything then please feel free to inlighten me.

That is bullsh!t and you know it. Please, if you want to believe that Armenians are helpless sheep that wouldn't be here without Russia, then you truly need to read your history, so you don't make ridiculous statements as the above. When Ataturk's newly established Turkey decided to attack the Armenia and possibly finish what the Ottoman's started, there was no Russia to come and stop them. We stopped their advances. F&ck Russia, F&ck USA, and F&ck anyone else who thinks Armenia should kiss ass to any country. We, Armenians, are the reason Armenia exists. Don't be playing down our struggles for independence by giving credit to Russians. F^ck the Russians. The fact of the matter is that there are simply enough Armenians in Russia, USA, Argentina, etc with enough power to influence the countries' foreign policies. Don't for a second be fooled into thinking that Russians actually give a hoot about Armenia.

[Tigranakert]

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OK Армянский let's see.

Turkey is a second grade (third world) country by it’s military power, economy – (astronomical budget deficit), internal stability – (having at least 20 million Kurdish population that is growing with incredible birth rate) and with the image of being barbarian nation worldwide; that slaughtered and occupied the civilized nations lands; and soon or later will face criminal investigation under current international law, given the AG bills are accepted by the world parliaments.

Thus nothing except its geographical location and huge territory is favorable for them currently and yet they are fighting against the superpowers for their national interests fearlessly, they managed/forced to get their ally (US) permission to cooperate with Russia (the US de facto foe) in economic and political areas – they argued fearlessly with America and convinced that having big mutual economic projects with Russians will make them (Russians) vulnerable.

I’m sure you will object that the projects are favorable for US and EU too; I agree, but don’t you accept that Turkey will use them later on against Russians; to confront/hinder their awkward “bear politics” when it is needed for US and EU; note please that even Ukraine (Russian ally) forced by US and EU - does it. They are fortunate enough, during the last century, to get the Christian world permission and support to exterminate Armenian/Greek/etc “gyavurs”. They are not used making concessions to "gyavurs" regardless they are poor or rich.

US and EU tried to convince Turkey; in the PROTOCOL game, to open the borders and ease the world pressure on Turkish ally (US) in terms of accepting AG and making the justice to prevail, to make US claims look like that; they are the major defender of the democracy and justice worldwide . At the same time US and EU told Turkey that by opening the borders and making some minor concession on Artsakh issue; they will stop the AG acceptance worldwide and enjoy the Armenian lands forever. But it failed because Turks are not used giving away things; regardless they are big or minor.

As opposed to …

Thus the week, second grade, Turks are strong in following their national interests and by playing games with Russians, letting US know that they can change their ally. Thus they enforced US take back their advice on opening borders and Artsakh, in order to prevent Turks to become Russian’s ally; as it is a very simple and strong reason for Turks to articulate and support Turkish national interests against their ally; which proved to be very useful tool for centuries.

Thus Turkey can confront superpower – US, Georgia – Russia (loosing only the territories that are not populated with Georgians. And becoming US ally they are allowed to promote their national interests at least in terms of economy) and defend their interests.

But we are “too week”; unlike the two above to reject Russian command on buying their expensive gas instead of the cheap Iranian one.


This is a lamb ideology, isn’t it?

What if Armenia would make the fact known, loudly, worldwide? What will be the world reaction and the Russians answer?

I assume that Russia’s answer will be: “We didn’t know about it, the issue will be settled in no time, sorry, we are a faithful ally of Armenia”.

What a total nonsense. Turkey, a country thirty times larger than Armenia, having never been under Soviet Rule, supported by Israel and America for decades with billions of dollars and immense military aid, with a population of over 70 million, can not be compared to Armenia by any means. It is logical that they can have a more ‘independent’ policy.

You really need to read some history. In the territories which Georgia lost, hundreds of thousands of Georgians were living. Their country was totally destructed, their army (which their beloved US trained) was totally defeated and is weaker than ever, their country has fallen apart and has no bright future, and they are allowed to promote their national interest? Haha, what a laugh. What national interest? There is a dictatorship in Georgia, with the American-Saakashvili as a tiran, do you think the ‘country’ has a policy that is in the best interest of Georgia? No, wake up. It is only in the national interest of America and the West, and Saakashvili is their puppet.

The current regime has brought nothing good, I can fairly state that if Georgia had a policy like Armenia (pro-Europe, pro-American and Russia as strategic ally), they would not lose Abhkhazia and Ossetia as easily, they would have been richer, more prosperous (as there would be an axis from Russia-Georgia-Armenia-Iran-India-China and at the same time ‘European’ like reforms just as in Armenia) and would serve better their national interest. America has brought nothing but destruction in Georgia, and when their support was really needed, America let them down. Again, there is no independent or national policy in Georgia, just a stupid policy (by the way, I know a lot of Georgians who do not like him either). Georgia did not oppose a superpower, they switched from superpowers.

Why do people want to ‘oppose’ something, or a superpower? It will bring nothing more than destruction and chaos into our small country. Just accept the fact that most in the current situation of Armenia, a poor country with a population of over barely three million, whom borders are closed and has no connection to sea, which is threatened with extinction, it is very dangerous to ‘oppose’ the billions of investments of Russia into the Armenian economy, to oppose the billions of dollars of military aid from Russia to Armenia (we till this day get a cheap price for military products), to oppose one of the LOWEST gas prices of all countries which receive Russian gas, to oppose the country which recognizes the Armenian genocide, to oppose the country where millions of Armenians are super wealthy and send billions of dollars to Armenia, to oppose a country which will be the key against future Western imperialism and Islamic fundamentalism, to oppose the closest neighbour…. and I can go on for ages.