Turkey 2 give back land?

[Selpak]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

I haven't heard any even Armenian scholar who says Hittitians were Armenians, even 1 single man!! You are first..

And yes, Pontus is Greek land.

Really. Where are Lazs from than? And Armenians ask for Greek's land from Turkey as their own.

War and death is the Turks gift to the world.

baby killing, raping defenceless women, terror is the true caracter of Armenians.

You want us to thank Turks

No. I want you understand difference between you and me.

Turkeys ground operation into Iraq is yet more proof of their inability to accept a rise of a Kurdish nation... a racist view.

PKK is an terrorist organisation like ASALA. Turkey is not fighting with northern iraq federate kurdish state.

[RSNATION]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

I haven't heard any even Armenian scholar who says Hittitians were Armenians, even 1 single man!! You are first..

Really. Where are Lazs from than? And Armenians ask for Greek's land from Turkey as their own.

baby killing, raping defenceless women, terror is the true caracter of Armenians.

No. I want you understand difference between you and me.

PKK is an terrorist organisation like ASALA. Turkey is not fighting with northern iraq federate kurdish state.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/Asia/Armenia/_Texts/KURARM/5*.html

In summary, here is the timeline that emerges from an attempt to find the best fit among archaeology, genetics, climate, and linguistics:

33,000-26,000 -- proto-Indo-European serves as the language of the Gravettian culture that develops on the Don and then spreads across Europe
26,000 -- the Indo-European speakers who enter Anatolia quickly become separated from those of Europe and then split up further, giving rise to proto-Hittite, proto-Tocharian, proto-Armenian, and proto-Greco-Phrygian

25,000-22,000 -- minor dialectical differences develop between eastern and western Europe

21,000-17,000 -- the Glacial Maximum forces Europeans into half a dozen isolated refuges, giving rise to the Celtic, Germanic, Italic, Balkan, Balto-Slavic, and Indo-Iranian families of Indo-European

16,000-14,000 -- Germanic speakers migrate from southern France to England, Germany, and southern Scandinavia

15,000-13,000 -- Indo-Iranians migrate from the Caspian and Aral Seas along the Amu Darya to northern Afghanistan and the Indus Valley -- at the same time, Tocharians move east from Anatolia to northern Iran and then to the Tarim Basin

13,000-10,000 -- Baltic speakers mimgrate north from the Ukraine

10,000 -- Celts migrate from western Iberia to the lands around the Irish Sea

9000 BP -- Greeks bring agriculture from southwestern Anatolia and the islands of the Aegean to the Greek mainland


The Hittites begat the Hurrians and Phrygians, the Urartians who begat the Armenians.

Much like Urartu's ethnic composition, its later period and transformation to the Orontid Kingdom of Armenia are debated among scholars.
According to Urartian cuneiforms, Sarduri III was followed by three kings--Erimena (635 - 620 BC), his son Rusa III (620 - 609 BC), and the latter's son Rusa IV (609 - 590 BC). It is also known that in the late 600's BC (during or after Sardur III's reign), Urartu was invaded by Scythians and their allies--the Medes. In 612 BC, the Median king Cyaxares conquered Assyria. Many Urartian ruins of the period show evidence of destruction by fire. This would indicate two scenarios--either Media conquered Urartu, bringing about its subsequent demise; or Urartu/Armenia maintained its independence and power, going through a mere dynastic change, as a local Armenian dynasty (later to be called the Orontids) overthrew the ruling family with the help of the Median army. Ancient sources support the latter version:
Xenophon, for example, states that Armenia, ruled by an Orontid king, was not conquered until the reign of Median king Astyages (585 - 550 BC) --long after Median invasion of the late 7th century BC.

Similarly, Strabo (1st c. BC - 1st c AD) wrote that "[i]n ancient times Greater Armenia ruled the whole of Asia, after it broke up the empire of the Syrians, but later, in the time of Astyages, it was deprived of that great authority ..."
Furthermore, according to the Old Testament, as late as 593 BC, prophet Jeremiah calls on the kingdom of Ararat and its Median allies to conquer Babylon (Jeremiah 51:27), suggesting that at the time Ararat/Urartu/Armenia was still powerful enough to conquer the Babylonian Empire.
Finally, early Armenian chronicles corroborate the Greek and Hebrew sources. In particular, Movses Khorenatsi writes that Armenian prince Paruyr Skayordi helped the Median king Cyaxares conquer Assyria, for which Cyaxares recognized him as the king of Armenia, while Media conquered Armenia only much later--under Astyages.

Thus, various ancient sources support the conclusion that, following the reign of Sarduri III, the kingdom of Ararat/Urartu went through a dynastic change, as the Armenian Orontid family replaced the house of Aramu, receiving assistance from the Medes, and in return helped the Medes conquer Assyria. This would indicate that the kings Erimena, Rusa III, and Rusa IV were the Urartian names for the earliest Orontid kings of Urartu/Armenia. Under these early Orontids (late 7th - clearly 6th cc), Ararat/Urartu continued to be a powerful independent kingdom, being called Ararat, Urartu, and Armenia by different sources, all referring to the same state.

The end of Urartu was violent, however, as many of its fortresses were burned down. Certainly, by the late sixth century Urartians had been replaced by Armenians.

The Laz's are descended from Georgians- they are not Turks.

Armenians do not ask for Greek lands. That is a falsehood.

Baby killing, thievery, kidnapping, raping defenceless women and children, terror, genocide, is the true caracter of the Turk. Just ask the Armenians, Greeks, Arabs, Bulgarians, Georgians, Serbs, Romanians, Russians, Macedonians, Maronites, Assyrians who have all be victims of the Turk.

The Turks are using the PKK as a pretext to keep the Kurds from having their own state. This will hopefully bite the Turks in the ass one day.

[Kanki]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

Baby killing, thievery, kidnapping, raping defenceless women and children, terror, genocide, is the true caracter of the Turk. Just ask the Armenians, Greeks, Arabs, Bulgarians, Georgians, Serbs, Romanians, Russians, Macedonians, Maronites, Assyrians who have all be victims of the Turk.

The Turks are using the PKK as a pretext to keep the Kurds from having their own state. This will hopefully bite the Turks in the ass one day.

Helloo
Are you sure about your opinion!
First of all you should make revision history nearly 1990! In Karabakh... Think what did you do for innocent Azerians! Did you play football by using curdled heads? Did your fascist navy cut pregnant Azerian women?
look here photos about the Karabakh
Art of massacres from armenian capacity!

http://ercis.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/ermeni1.jpg

http://eylulcicegi.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/ermeni4.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6853/hocalikatliamirk4.jpg

http://fici.bira.gen.tr/hocalikatliami1.jpg

http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/images/fotobu/a1_57.jpg

http://www.gencturkhaber.com/images/179535.jpg

http://www.nikferce.com/Files/images/ErmeniKatliam/ErmeniKatliam0.jpg

And what did that little girl do in order to be killed by you! (below)

http://alfoxil.googlepages.com/Picture20.jpg

At the second,You should observe what is Pkk and what they do in past? such as they massacred more than 37.000 Turks since 1984. Such as they attacked a bus in Kusadası and 11 Bristish died in 2005 summer. Also Anatolia is not belong to Greeks or Armenians Hitties were here before before you
Today they mixed with Turks, and Turk have been Anatolia more than 1000 years

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

Selpak stop the Bulxxxx. Turks are not desecndents from hetits. Those people mixed with all those other people who conquered them and disapeared in the pages of history so stop the bulxxxx

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

baby killing, raping defenceless women, terror is the true caracter of Armenians.

Is that why 99% of Anatolia is Turkish and/or Muslim? Please use some common sense.

First of all you should make revision history nearly 1990! In Karabakh... Think what did you do for innocent Azerians! Did you play football by using curdled heads?

Out of over 700,000 Azeri refugees, only 613 of them died. That is less than 0.09%, which is a phenomenal ratio by any standards. Please do not exaggerate with your nonsense.

Did your fascist navy cut pregnant Azerian women?

What an expert in Armenian-Turkish relations. Armenia has no navy. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Maybe so you can understand where is Turkey and who are Turks. Say hi to American Indians from me.

More proof that you are reciting Grey Wolf rhetoric. You think that American Indians, who migrated from Siberia over 12,000 years ago (before Turkic identity even evolved) are Turks. Do you also believe in Sun Language theory, and that Sumerians were proto-Turks?

Turks could convert all Armenians. Turks could kill all Armenians. Turks could wipe off all Armenian culture in Anatolia. But we didn't

As I said earlier, how do you explain the fact that 99% of Anatolia is Turkish and/or Muslim? The point is you can't, because even you can realize that what you're saying is BS.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

Ah, yes, the clever J-urkish mind that disassociates itself from the Ottoman Empire and then markets that same history in its tourism ads. Funny how they profit from the relics of their dark history while purporting to disown it.

[Selpak]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

Is that why 99% of Anatolia is Turkish and/or Muslim? Please use some common sense.

It begins at the end of the 19th century... maybe your "akçik, manç?" game can make some sense to you or better look Karabağ for what you are. Hunderds of years and you still exist with your language and religion... it must make some sense to you.

More proof that you are reciting Grey Wolf rhetoric. You think that American Indians, who migrated from Siberia over 12,000 years ago (before Turkic identity even evolved) are Turks. Do you also believe in Sun Language theory, and that Sumerians were proto-Turks?

Who said American Indians were Turk or something about Sun Language theory? You are getting more desperate. I try to say that it doesn't matter even if you were the descendance of oldest people of Turkey. Not in todays world. Btw, you are not.. Hittites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization I think you like this one too. "Genetic evidence" part

[TomServo]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

It begins at the end of the 19th century... maybe your "akçik, manç?" game can make some sense to you or better look Karabağ for what you are. Hunderds of years and you still exist with your language and religion... it must make some sense to you.

Most of the Armenian population existing in the eastern parts of Turkey does not exist with their language or religion. They don't even exist.

The Azeris also "exist." So what's your point?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

It begins at the end of the 19th century... maybe your "akçik, manç?" game can make some sense to you or better look Karabağ for what you are. Hunderds of years and you still exist with your language and religion... it must make some sense to you.

We exist with our language and religion everywhere in the world except in our homeland. This says a great deal about Turkish rule.

Who said American Indians were Turk or something about Sun Language theory? You are getting more desperate. I try to say that it doesn't matter even if you were the descendance of oldest people of Turkey. Not in todays world. Btw, you are not.. Hittites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization I think you like this one too. "Genetic evidence" part

I was saying that because many Turkish nationalists believe that native Americans are Turkic just because they crossed from Siberia 12,000 years ago. Plus, genetics doesn't mean anything. Language and culture do. Just like Greeks became "Turks" in Anatolia, "Turks" can also become something else in the future.

[Selpak]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

Most of the Armenian population existing in the eastern parts of Turkey does not exist with their language or religion. They don't even exist.

My mistake. change "exist" with "had exist". You were not converted nor ended.

We exist with our language and religion everywhere in the world except in our homeland. This says a great deal about Turkish rule.

As I said Turkey was not your homeland. You wear a foreigners uniform (french) to kill your neighbour. You kill defenceless people with torture when men were in army. And you ask where Mahoni is.

I was saying that because many Turkish nationalists believe that native Americans are Turkic just because they crossed from Siberia 12,000 years ago. Plus, genetics doesn't mean anything. Language and culture do. Just like Greeks became "Turks" in Anatolia, "Turks" can also become something else in the future.

One day Turks from Germany can say that Germany is their homeland but they can not take some part of Germany with clowning. Eastern part of Turkey was not belong to you. Turks took it from Roman Empire.

Neither genetic nor culture mean anything.