Armenia and the information war

[Odar]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Aren't you stretching it a little? Appreciating someone's art doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with the ideas of the artist, of the nation the artist belongs to or with the contents of the artistic object itself. If the Azerbaijanis decide to act like cretins and ban/counterfeit everything that smells Armenian, that only shows how fake and weak their ideology is. Are you implying that Armenian culture is just as weakened?

[Federate]

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Aren't you stretching it a little? Appreciating someone's art doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with the ideas of the artist, of the nation the artist belongs to or with the contents of the artistic object itself. If the Azerbaijanis decide to act like cretins and ban/counterfeit everything that smells Armenian, that only shows how fake and weak their ideology is. Are you implying that Armenian culture is just as weakened?

Odar jan, what you are saying makes sense. However, we are in the middle of an aggressive (dis)information war conducted by Azerbaijan against our nation's culture and when you're in the middle of a war, these things fly out the door. Some might argue that these are 'positive steps' towards establishing peace. The problem is that it is only one side (Armenian side) that is occasionally taking these steps instead of both sides taking equivalent and simultaneous steps. On the contrary, they breeed a culture of hate and war filled with fantasies about how Armenians have an inferior culture and how everything Armenian is really Azeri. That is simply unacceptable and Vahram's comments are not necessary and only help the enemy (who is not interested in peace) propagate more bullsh!t. It gives ammo to the incessant Azerbaijani propaganda machine.

They are masters at fabricating lies. If Vahram says "I appreciate Azerbaijani mugham", they will spin it to "Armenian singer admits Armenians steal Azerbaijan mugham." If he likes the damn music, good for him. Keep it to yourself, the public doesn't need to know your lack of musical taste.

[Armanen]

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Agree 100% with Federate. The azeri government is waging the only war that they can win, information war, and now we have a full blown psy ops against Armenia courtesy of washington. The last thing we need to do is be the peaceful ones and let everyone ram us in the @ss!

[ninetoyadome]

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National self-consciousness, “Azerbaijani” music and revelation of an Armenian composer
Vardan Petrosyan: this music sounded when Armenians were being killed, but now many of our compatriots are enjoying these songs.

The confrontation between Armenia and Azerbaijan is not only political. What is going on now is a all-out information and cultural war, which started back in the soviet time.

PanARMENIAN.Net - The “national self-consciousness” of Azerbaijanis awoke in 1980, when they started representing themselves as the heirs of Caucasian Albanians and then decided to appropriate Armenian cuisine, carpets, music, poetry, fiercely trying to prove that “Armenians live on the Azerbaijani lands.”

Music tastes differ. Some love rock and jazz; others prefer classical or folk music. However, the admiration of Turkish and Arab music is a tendency that develops in Armenia lately. Some speak about “Azerbaijani music”, what is absolutely odd, as a country outlined on the map by Iosif Stalin in 1936 could nothing but create its cultural heritage by stealing the cultures belonging to other nations.

The fault of the older generation is that the young people do not receive proper patriotic up-bringing. Young composer Vahram Petrosyan, for example” boasts his “talent” and says that he “likes Azerbaijani music.”

At the same time, the youth in Azerbaijan is stuffed with patriotism, which often exceeds any logical borders. Thus, ATV presenter Elchin Alibeyli was sacked for performing Sari Galin song in Armenian.

It’s noteworthy that Richard Wagner’s music is still prohibited in Israel, because he was Hitler’s favorite composer and millions of xxxs were driven to gas chambers to the sounds of The Ride of the Valkyries.

“It’s a shame that there are people who listen to the so-called “Azerbaijani music.” “It’s our fault that we missed the moment to prevent the tendency,” singer Hayko says.

Actor Vardan Petrosyan is more tough: “This music sounded when Armenians were being killed, but now many of our compatriots are enjoying these songs.”

Singer Shushan Petrosyan rejects any presence of “Azerbaijani music” but says that people should know how the Armenian music is being butchered.

Certainly, it’s praiseworthy to know the cultural traditions of other countries but each person should first of all know his own culture, according to composer Vartin Vardazaryan.

Composer Robert Amirkhanyan is confident that an educated person will never tell about “love for Azerbaijani music.” “Christian and Muslim tunes are completely different. However, presently, many ‘fans’ of Turkish music try to present I as Armenians, and succeed,” he says.

Composer Martin Ulikhanyan agrees to the opinion. “I don’t like Azerbaijani music myself, but there are people who enjoy it,” he notes.

The problem persists. Vahram Petrosyan’s revelations aroused hot debates. The young composer, scared of the reaction, is now trying to renounce his words.

However, the situation proved to have a positive effect as well. Before summoning press conferences and engaging in self-advertising, people like Petrosyan will twice think prior to saying anything.

[Odar]

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What steps are being taken by the government and Armenian cultural organizations worldwide to counter this crap and improve the knowledge of Armenian culture (a culture that, like any other one, developed borrowing and lending to neighbouring cultures)? That'd be more effective than banning this or that kind of music or whatever, IMO.

And no, Wagner is no more taboo in Israel.

[Armanen]

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What steps are being taken by the government and Armenian cultural organizations worldwide to counter this crap and improve the knowledge of Armenian culture (a culture that, like any other one, developed borrowing and lending to neighbouring cultures)? That'd be more effective than banning this or that kind of music or whatever, IMO.

And no, Wagner is no more taboo in Israel.

In this case, Armenia hasn't borrowed anything from the azeris. They have only been a cohesive ethnic group since the 1600s, and they were called by various names, most recently, Caucasian tatars.

Germany does not deny that a genocide took place. While turkey and azerbaijan do, therefore Armenians shouldn't be nice with them and they culture on a political level. By this I mean we should not be the ones to extend out hand while they hold a dagger.

[Odar]

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I think Vartin Vardazaryan's comment is the one that makes more sense. Find the treasures in your house first, then you can appreciate everything else.

If Petrosyan is really convinced of what he says, why is he backing away? That's stupid.

[ninetoyadome]

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you have to take it like this also, azeris and turks will take Armenian songs and use them as there own for example Zartir Lao

the soccer team Fenerbache uses this song

wait a while and some how this song will become Turkish, a few months after turks say its turkish, azeris will say its azeri. Thats what happened with Sari Gelin. It was Armenian, it became turkish, then it became azeri.

[ninetoyadome]

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Here is an incident that took place this month

Azerbaijan strains its relations with Iran and Turkey due to Armenia
Who knows - maybe Baku is afraid of the “influential Armenian lobby” worldwide?

It seems that Azerbaijan deliberately strains its relations with Iran and Turkey, using the Armenian factor as a cover. Any joint action of Armenia with Iran or even with Turkey immediately causes strict criticism of Baku authorities through controllable media.
February 4, 2011
PanARMENIAN.Net - This was the case with the monument in Kars, now Azerbaijani journalists have another target – the event organized by Turkish Ambassador to the U.S. Namik Tan in Washington to commemorate Hrant Dink. All fine and dandy, but Turkey uses an Azerbaijani song to improve its relations with Armenia. This refers to famous song “Sari Gelin,” the authorship of which is disputed by Turks and Armenians. Recently, Azerbaijanis also started laying claims to its authorship.

Vesti.az wrote: “Turkey took a step to improve its relations with Armenia. And in this case, naturally, Turkey pursues its own goals, to which there cannot be any demands. But a question arises as to why the improvement takes place at the expense of Azerbaijani song “Sari Gelin.” Music is naturally an exalted notion, which unites the best human qualities. But the Turkish Ambassador has forgotten that even music is viewed by Armenians not as an exalted notion, but as a policy tool. Being a diplomat, Tan stated that future generations of Armenians and Turks should not hate each other. Mr. Ambassador, sometimes you need to be not only a diplomat, but also a clear-headed man or far-sighted politician.”

One could laugh at another masterpiece of the Azerbaijani propaganda, but it's not all as easy as it sounds. Baku hangs upon words, which, according to Aliyev’s clan, are related to willingness of Iran, Turkey, Georgia and other countries to establish normal relations with Armenia. Who knows - maybe Baku is afraid of the “influential Armenian lobby” worldwide?


i know turks who admit this song is an Armenian song but i dont know how or why or with what evidence azeris decided this was an azeri song. i guess since they sang it in azeri it became an azeri song. did you know Mozart was also azeri because an azeri translated his work into azeri?

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Here is an incident that took place this month

Azerbaijan strains its relations with Iran and Turkey due to Armenia
Who knows - maybe Baku is afraid of the “influential Armenian lobby” worldwide?

It seems that Azerbaijan deliberately strains its relations with Iran and Turkey, using the Armenian factor as a cover. Any joint action of Armenia with Iran or even with Turkey immediately causes strict criticism of Baku authorities through controllable media.
February 4, 2011
PanARMENIAN.Net - This was the case with the monument in Kars, now Azerbaijani journalists have another target – the event organized by Turkish Ambassador to the U.S. Namik Tan in Washington to commemorate Hrant Dink. All fine and dandy, but Turkey uses an Azerbaijani song to improve its relations with Armenia. This refers to famous song “Sari Gelin,” the authorship of which is disputed by Turks and Armenians. Recently, Azerbaijanis also started laying claims to its authorship.

Vesti.az wrote: “Turkey took a step to improve its relations with Armenia. And in this case, naturally, Turkey pursues its own goals, to which there cannot be any demands. But a question arises as to why the improvement takes place at the expense of Azerbaijani song “Sari Gelin.” Music is naturally an exalted notion, which unites the best human qualities. But the Turkish Ambassador has forgotten that even music is viewed by Armenians not as an exalted notion, but as a policy tool. Being a diplomat, Tan stated that future generations of Armenians and Turks should not hate each other. Mr. Ambassador, sometimes you need to be not only a diplomat, but also a clear-headed man or far-sighted politician.”

One could laugh at another masterpiece of the Azerbaijani propaganda, but it's not all as easy as it sounds. Baku hangs upon words, which, according to Aliyev’s clan, are related to willingness of Iran, Turkey, Georgia and other countries to establish normal relations with Armenia. Who knows - maybe Baku is afraid of the “influential Armenian lobby” worldwide?


i know turks who admit this song is an Armenian song but i dont know how or why or with what evidence azeris decided this was an azeri song. i guess since they sang it in azeri it became an azeri song. did you know Mozart was also azeri because an azeri translated his work into azeri?

what a bunch cry babies. It's like kindergarten.