Armenia and the information war

[Mos]

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Why is Google Maps still have Yerevan as "Erivan" - Why can't we get this changed! It's embarrassing!

[Mos]

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Erdogan in Moscow:

MOSCOW (Combined Sources)—Upon arriving in Moscow Wednesday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan presented an original copy of the Moscow Treaty, signed 90-years-ago to the day, to Russian President Demitry Medvedev, along with a commemorative stamp issued in Turkey to mark the 90th anniversary of the illegal treaty, reported PanArmenian.net.
“The document is a turning point in our history. Our eastern borders were recognized under the Moscow agreement, “Erdogan told a press conference in Kremlin.
On March 16, 1921, representatives of Russia’s Socialist Federative Soviet Republic and Turkey’s Grand National Assembly signed a treaty, without the consent or participation of Armenian representatives, granting Kars and Surmalu to Turkey and placing Nakhichevan under Azeri control. This illegal document later served as the basis for the Kars Treaty of October, 1921.
The anniversary of the invalid treaty, as well as the timing of the Erdogan-Medvedev trip was the subject of demonstration held at the Russian Embassy in Yerevan, organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation “Nigol Aghbalian” student and youth organization of Armenia.
In Moscow, Medvedev praised Turkey for being a key trade partner with Russia and pledged to increase trade with that country.
The two leaders also agreed that Russia would build a nuclear power plant in Turkey, in the shadow of the current nuclear crisis resulting from the Japan earthquake and Tsunami.
Medvedev said the reactors that Russia plans to construct in Turkey are much newer in design than the ones that are causing trouble in Japan and therefore require no drastic safety improvements, if any, to sustain even the “most devastating” earthquake. That said, Russia is open to discuss “optimizing” the work, he said, according to Moscow Times.
Russia agreed in May to build and own a nuclear power plant in Akkuyu. Erdogan said at a meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin later Wednesday that the plan was to lay the foundation for the plant in late April or May.
While speaking to students at Moscow State Institute, Erdogan said that the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict would benefit Turkey’s efforts to normalize relations with Armenia.
“Resolving the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan will play a role in the normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia,” said Erdogan.

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Erdogan’s visit to Moscow casts no shadow on Armenia-Russia partnership

March 16, 2011 | 21:19
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s visit to Moscow should not be linked with the 90th anniversary of the Treaty of Moscow, Secretary of the Republican parliamentary group Eduard Sharmazanov told Armenian News-NEWS.am. He stressed the agreement has no legal force as it was signed without Armenia’s participation. He commented on some Armenian politicians’ statements that Erdogan’s visit to Moscow was specifically scheduled for March 16 to mark the 90th anniversary of the treaty of Moscow (signing a treaty Turkey and Russia in fact divided the territory of the Republic of Armenia).

“One should not consider Erdogan’s visit as an attempt to hurt Armenian people’s feelings. Armenia and Russia are on good terms. It should be remembered that Azerbaijan was forced to sign the Sochi document on conducting international investigation in the line of contact between Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijani armed forces under Russia’s pressure.

Commenting on Erdogan’s statement in Moscow that breakthrough may be expected in the Armenia-Turkey normalization if Karabakh peace process registers progress, Sharmazanov stated: “The international community, including Russia has repeatedly stated there is no connection between two processes. If Erdogan does seek peace and stability in the region, Turkey should open the border with Armenia as a gesture of goodwill and ratify the Armenia-Turkey accords,” the parliamentarian noted.

[Federate]

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Why is Google Maps still have Yerevan as "Erivan" - Why can't we get this changed! It's embarrassing!

Because we still lag behind in the info war. How many people sent requests to Google to change it? It must spread like wildfire.

[Mos]

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I don't understand why a genocide denying, pro azeri turk would be well greeted in armenia - come on, are you kidding me??

How do we not know this idiot is a spy?

Turkish student travels the Caucasus, lands in Armenia
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Thursday, March 17, 2011
VERCİHAN ZİFLİOĞLU
ISTANBUL - Hürriyet Daily News


Mehmet Fatih Öztarsu in Armenia's Capital Yerevan, where he writes for a newspaper and is learning the 'East Armenian' dialect of Armenian.
Turkish student Mehmet Fatih Öztarsu, who calls himself an idealist, set out directly for the Caucasus. His first stop was the Azerbaijani capital of Baku. Having characterized Azerbaijan as a “kindred country,” he studied international relations at Baku’s Caucasus University. After his education, while pursuing his research in Georgia, he decided to cross over to the other side of the border, passing into Armenia.

A few months ago, after moving to Yerevan, Öztarsu, while taking private courses in “East Armenian” from a teacher at Yerevan’s State University, started writing articles for a newspaper called “Aravod” (Armenian for morning). East Armenian is a term used for the dialect of Armenian spoken in Armenia and Iran today. It differs from the dialect of Armenian used primarily by Armenians in Istanbul and diaspora members in France, the United States and around the world. It is generally referred to as “West Armenian.”

On of the events of 1915 and the Nagorno-Karabakh issue, Öztarsu’s opinions differ from the general consensus in Armenia; still, he thinks nobody will benefit from the closed Turkish-Armenia border.

Turkey closed its border with Armenia in 1993 in support of its close ally Azerbaijan in a conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh region. A flashpoint of Caucasus, Nagorno-Karabakh is a constituent part of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenia since the end of 1994, after a war between the two countries.

Learning East Armenian

Öztarsu recently commented on his experiences living abroad in Azerbaijan and Armenia in an e-mail exchange with the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review.

Asked how a Turkish international relations student arrived at the decision to go to Armenia after studying in Baku, Öztarsu said it is important for Turks to learn about Armenia and its language.

“The Armenian language is an important issue for Turkey. Without diplomats, journalists or researchers who know this language, it is not possible for Turkey to understand Armenia or its political genesis,” Öztarsu told the Daily News. “With regards to my approach, I received support from both my acquaintances in Ankara and Baku. In addition, Armenian youths are also learning Turkish.”

When Öztarsu first went to Armenia he was worried that he might encounter problems as a Turk on his first visit to Armenia, but he said he was very well greeted.

Asked why he would learn the East Armenian dialect that is spoken in Armenia and Iran, rather than the West Armenian dialect spoken in Istanbul and among the diaspora, Öztarsu noted that, as a Caucasus scholar, it is important for him to connect directly with Armenians living in Armenia.

“If I had learned West Armenian in France or the U.S., I would have had trouble establishing a dialogue with Armenian people. Experts on diaspora Armenians who moved to Yerevan could only speak West Armenian and therefore they had to write in English. I, as a Caucasus expert, primarily want to understand Armenia,” said Öztarsu.

West Armenian is the name given to Modern Armenian spoken in Istanbul in the 20th century. Today, the language is taught at schools and spoken by all Turkish Armenians. East Armenian, on the other hand, is spoken in Armenia and by Iranian Armenians. Despite differences between the two Armenian dialects, many consider the two to be mutually intelligible. Provided that someone knows about the differences between these two dialects, one would not be impeded in establishing dialogue.

“Turkey cannot remain indifferent”

“Nationalists in Armenia believe that Turkey woke up one morning and destroyed all the Armenians. Actually there are few people who know what happened in 1915. There is no one who knows what happened prior and what happened after,” said Öztarsu. “We are trying to overcome this; we say that this issue is not an every day issue. The fundamental reasons are Russia and Britain.”

Asked who has so far benefited from Armenia’s foreign policy to pressure Turkey and build up the Karabakh issue, Öztarsu suggested that no country, with the exception of Iran, was benefiting from the status quo.

“Iran is benefiting from the borders remaining closed. They have set up a powerful trade network in the region. They have even laid claim to the Turkish mosque in Yerevan.”

Öztarsu also offered his opinions on the Karabakh issue.

“Karabakh was occupied by Armenia. We must not interpret the revolt of an autonomous region and Armenia’s maneuver to turn it to its advantage, as a simple ‘fight for territory.’ There are other regions occupied in Azerbaijan. Almost 1 million Azeris are in exile. While these people have to endure these heavy conditions, Turkey can’t remain indifferent.”

Criticism for OSCE

To solve the OSCE’s Minsk Group’s problem, Öztarsu suggested bringing the sides together.

“The Minsk Group, at a number of unknown gatherings are preventing Turkey’s affairs from being included,” Öztarsu said.

The Minsk Group was set up in 1992 to find a political solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict involving Armenia and Azerbaijan. The group, co-chaired by France, the Russian Federation and the United States, has frequently come under attack as being overly biased regarding the dispute.

“Armenia must adopt a realistic approach on the Karabakh issue. However, solving the Karabakh problem is not only in Armenia’s hands.”

In 2008, Turkish President Abdullah Gül went to the Armenian capital of Yerevan to watch the Turkish and Armenian national football teams play each other. The move, nicknamed “football diplomacy,” intended to put the past to rest in bilateral relations and accelerate a dialogue process.

Following that, protocols aimed at normalization of relations were signed but could not be carried out.

“We have to solve our problems without anyone else intervening. Using the 1915 lobbying process as a tool is not useful; it is necessary to set up a dialogue between Ankara and Yerevan,” said Öztarsu.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turk-studied-in-baku-learning-in-armenia-2011-03-17

[Armanen]

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Because Armenia is a free country

[Tigranakert]

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Because Armenia is a free country

Indeed, our country is not called Azerbaijan. I even have met some Azeris who openly state with "pride" that they are Azeri in Yerevan. Try to do that in Azerbaijan. Hatred and genocide is not in our blood, unlike Azerbaijan, Turkey and the Western world.

[Armanen]

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Indeed, our country is not called Azerbaijan. I even have met some Azeris who openly state with "pride" that they are Azeri in Yerevan. Try to do that in Azerbaijan. Hatred and genocide is not in our blood, unlike Azerbaijan, Turkey and the Western world.

What were azeris doing in Yerevan?

[HermanGerman]

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I took a video of Euronews and changed the name and the discription of it a little bit.
It is really funny how fast the western "free" media start to support Lemon's actions.
What do you think, should I change the text in the discription of the video ?

[Tigranakert]

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What were azeris doing in Yerevan?

Don't ask me. There was also another Iranian, who preferred to call himself an Azeri (I doubt he was Iranian, as through Iran Azeri spies reach Armenia). He had married an Armenian women, and probably had more women back in Iran. I was watching them with disgust every day (because they were our neighbors). Eventually, he left the Armenian women (girl) some time ago, ofcourse. He probably just needed sex while he was in Yerevan.

The trucks entering Armenia via Iran are sometimes filled with camera's which shoot films at strategic locations, this was also once revealed by the Armenian police.