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Khojaly memorial presentation held at the University of California
Wed 27 February 2013 06:43 GMT | -2:43 Local Time
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On 25 February, the Azerbaijani Student Association at the University of California Irvine (AzSA-UCI) hosted a presentation titled "Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict: The Story of a Town No More".
The event co-organized by the Azerbaijani-American Council (AAC) and AYNA Network featured a documentary film on the 1992 Khojaly Massacre by Thomas Goltz, War Correspondent and the Montana State University professor. The presentation was attended by UCI students, members of Olive Tree Initiative, representatives of Azerbaijani and Turkish communities as well as by the Armenian community in Orange County, California. All attendees were provided with a brief AAC fact sheet on Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and the 1992 Khojaly Massacre.
Opening the presentation, UCI public policy student, Aytan Nabiyeva, introduced the AzSA and its two other co-founders, Rafiga Gurbanzade and Nazilya Gasanova. Nabiyeva emphasized the fact that AzSA-UCI is the first Azerbaijani student organization on the U.S. West Coast. She outlined AzSA-UCI's interest in promoting Azerbaijan, its culture, history and traditions, across the academic institutions in Southern California.
Another AzSA-UCI leader, the UCI Criminology student, Rafiga Gurbanzade, shared the personal story of her family's expulsion from Karabakh. Gurbanzade's family hails from the village of Cherekend located on the border of Khojavand (formerly, Hadrut) and Jabrayil regions of Azerbaijan. Rafiga shared the memories of her childhood in Cherekend, where her grandfather and the World War II veteran, Muzaffar Hajiyev, had a family house. When the war reached his home, Hajiyev refused to leave and died shortly before the Armenian occupation in 1993. He was buried in Cherekend, while his wife, who died in Baku in 2011, never got a chance to return to her home. Concluding her personal story, Rafiga Gurbanzade expressed hope that some day she will be able to return to her childhood home in Karabakh and to visit her grandfather's grave.
Taking the stage next, AAC general director and UCI alumnus, Javid Huseynov, provided a brief overview of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. He highlighted that the 1992 Khojaly Massacre and the 1988 Sumgait riots, the two tragic anniversaries marked this week, left significant imprints on collective memories in Azerbaijan and Armenia. But while the Soviet courts tried and sentenced the perpetrators of the Sumgait riots, there has been no justice served to the victims of the war crime by Armenian forces in Khojaly. Dr. Huseynov added that while Armenia denies responsibility for the massacre, Azerbaijani- and Turkish-American communities across the U.S. pursue its recognition. In the last two years, the states of Massachusetts, Texas, Georgia, New Mexico, Arkansas and few others recognized the Khojaly tragedy and the role of Armenian forces in it.
Speaking further, Thomas Goltz shared his experiences as a witness and a first reporter who brought the news of the Khojaly Massacre to the U.S. media. He then proceeded to present his short documentary film featuring interviews with Western journalists, experts and witnesses about the Khojaly tragedy.
During the subsequent question-and-answer session, some Armenian students in the audience questioned the presented material. More specifically, they objected to the fact that Armenian forces were responsible for the massacre. The students referenced Azerbaijani journalist, Eynulla Fatullayev, saying that Armenian forces provided a corridor for the escape of civilians from Khojaly, and argued that they could not have fired on civilians. Few others attempted to justify the massacre by claiming either that the Azerbaijani government failed to evacuate civilians or that it was a response to the alleged shelling of Armenian settlements from Khojaly.
Responding to these questions, the event speakers pointed to the March 1997 response by Human Rights Watch to the Armenian Foreign Ministry reaffirming the fact that Armenian forces deliberately targeted Azerbaijani civilians and that there was no evidence that Azerbaijani forces obstructed the flight of those civilians. Furthermore, the account of the Khojaly Massacre from the diary of Armenian commander and ASALA militant, Monte Melkonyan, and the comments by Armenian President, Serzh Sargsyan, about "breaking the stereotypes" of Azerbaijanis leave no doubts about the primary role of Armenian forces. Thomas Goltz also added that he visited Khojaly in January 1992, few weeks before the massacre, and there were barely 50 Azerbaijani armed defenders without heavy weapons in the town. Therefore, the claim that Armenian settlements were shelled from Khojaly was preposterous.(Interesting how they dodged the Fatullayev part, interesting how they didnt mention the Meshketian Turks speaking about how they were not allowed on the helicopters to leave the city, interesting how they didnt quote the full Sargisyan quote (translated from Russian):They seem to ignore that section)You know about these things do not speak loudly. They say that it is possible. I will do so, too. Well, first, the former head of Azerbaijan said that they were not Armenians and Azerbaijanis themselves. But I will say that the truth may be different. Khojaly still a little annoying at one time around Karabakh, because there is an airport, because our only link with Armenia was air transport, because there was a riot, something was searched, so many people were arrested. In addition, there are literally near Stepanakert, they allowed themselves to his firing. But I think the most important thing in the other. Before Khojaly, the Azerbaijanis were thinking that they were just joking with us. Azerbaijanis were thinking that the Armenians - the people who can not raise a hand against the civilian population. You had it all reversed. And it did. Still need to take into account that these guys were among those who fled from Baku of Sumgait. although I believe is still very much exaggerated, very much. Azerbaijanis needed an excuse to equate a place to Sumgait. But they can not be compared. Yes, in fact, was in Khojaly civilians. But along with civilians and soldiers were. And when the flying projectile, it does not distinguish a civilian from a soldier, he had no eyes. If the civilian population is still there, although it was a great opportunity to get away, it means that it is also involved in the fighting ... And they left the corridor was not for them somewhere to shoot, you can shoot in Khojaly, and not on the outskirts of Agdam.
Some Armenian students asked questioned about the growing negative attitude in Azerbaijani society and the controversy surrounding Akram Aylisli's book "Stone Dreams". Responding to that question, AAC executive highlighted that such sentiments in Azerbaijan are a natural consequence and a reaction to the ongoing Armenian occupation of Azerbaijani territories and the plight of over half a million Azerbaijanis who live in refugee settlements for almost 20 years. One of the Armenian students also expressed interest in learning more about the religious tolerance and relations between various religious congregations in Azerbaijan.
On a positive note, upon the conclusion of the event, some Armenian students approached the speakers thanking for an informative presentation and expressing condolences to the families of victims of Khojaly and other atrocities in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Wow, just wow. how much can these people lie?
Among other attendees at the presentation were also the president of the Assembly of Turkish-American Associations (ATAA), Ergun Kirlikovali, and representatives of the Consulate General of Azerbaijan in Los Angeles. The organizers express gratitude to all who attended and actively participated in this presentation at UCI.
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azeri lies are falling apart on their own
Azerbaijani student beaten by Armenians in French parliament reveals details of incident - EXCLUSIVE
[ 27 February 2013 18:43 ]
Strasbourg. Fuad Gulubeyli – APA. Azerbaijani student Vusal Huseynov, who was brutally beaten by French MP Francois Roshebloun and Armenians at the National Assembly of France yesterday, spoke to APA’s Europe bureau about the details of the incident.
“We came in, but no one knew that we were Azerbaijanis. Mirvari Fataliyeva spoke French. Only we didn’t applaud the Armenians’ speeches at the event. Then I felt that they looked at us with suspicion and took our photos. They were interested in our identity in reception room. We didn’t stand up after a minute of silence was declared and protested. Mirvari reminded the participants of the event that today is the anniversary of Khojaly massacre. Following this, they shouted at us and insulted and the Armenians sitting next to us attacked Mirvari to make her be silent. I immediately bent Mirvari's head and in order to protect her I began hand-to-hand fight with them.”
Vusal Huseynov said he was punched and kicked: “I led Mirvari out and went out pushing the attackers away. They beat Mirvari outside again, even pulled her hair. I ran up to her, we lost while running along the corridor and re-entered that room through another door. The Armenians attacked again and started to beat us. As I had not seen Mirvari for a while, I worried about her, thus called for help in a loud voice. I said them to take me to her. Under the pretence of taking me to Mirvari, they were taking me to another room, but I heard Mirvari’s scream from another room in the corridor. I immediately rushed to the room. Another event was being held in that room and the people there helped us.”
Vusal Huseynov said that he has been recently discharged from the hospital: “Now I feel better, but still suffer from sharp pains. We are being examined. Following this we will appeal to police.”
1.) They first claimed Francois Roshebloun challenged the Armenians to attack the azeris, but this guy doesnt mention that
2.) They first claimed an Armenian walked up to them and after they asked why they didnt stand up, the Armenian punched him, now they claim the Armenian sitting next to the girl punched her
3.) They first claimed the Armenians locked the door but here he claims they ran out of the room, got lost and re-entered the room
4.) They claim they got there asses kicked by 40 Armenians but in the pictures there is not a single scratch on them
5.) azeri diplomat stated they suffered serious injuries, apparently damaged internal organs and a broken rib, and yet they were discharged from the hospital early
These people are sad and pathetic
Edit: more pictures from the event
They first claimed the door was locked
and here is another picture of the guy that got his ass kicked by 40 Armenians
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Video has been released of the fight, azeris claim Armenia edited the video so it can be in our favor
Armenians spread 'edited' video of beating of Azerbaijanis - VIDEO
Sat 02 March 2013 08:05 GMT | 0:05 Local Time
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Armenian users are actively spreading in social networks an "edited" version of the video of the incident with the beating of two Azerbaijanis by dozens of Armenians at the National Assembly of France.
In the "edited" version, the newly minted Armenian pseudo-directors "clumsily" cut core fragments of beating of Azerbaijanis - Mirvari Fataliyeva and Vusal Huseynov. At the same time, they kept only those fragments that, in their opinion, can justify the fact of brutal beating of Azerbaijanis, 1news.az reports.
But even the "cut" video shows how during the event an adult man approaches to Mirvari Fataliyeva, who was calmly expressing her view, and roughly made her sit up, pulling her hand and threatening. At this point, the second Azerbaijani - Vusal Huseynov tries to calm the raging Armenian and avoid the heating of the situation.
However, it clearly shows that the Armenians continued to say something to the Azerbaijanis, and were actively gesticulating.
The jerky video demonstrates a few moments of brawl in which the Azerbaijani student is trying to dissociate himself from the grip of the Armenians.
The main part of the attack and beating of the Azerbaijanis was completely cut out of the video.
It is clear that in this way the Armenians try to hide their deeds of outrage.
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Hi I'll appreciate everyone's help with this:
Tomorrow this man, a representative of Azerbaijan, is presenting at my university.
Rather than protesting, we're just going to hand out some informational pamphlets outside the hall, and go inside once it starts, and listen and ask questions to expose some of the propaganda
If everyone can post a few questions that we can ask regarding the various topics bound to be discussed, it will be greatly appreciated.Last edited by Mher; 03-06-2013, 01:05 PM.Comment
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How can Azerbaijan expect any Armenian to take a ridiculous offer such as Karabakh becoming an "autonomous region" in Azerbaijan seriously when Azeri society and its leaders constantly spew venomous anti-Armenian statements that expose a deep problem of intolerance and xenophobia in Azerbaijan? Examples include Ilham Aliyev declaring that Armenians of the world are his enemies and Azeris and the state harassing author Akram Aylisli for writing about living in peace with Armenians.Originally posted by Mher View PostHi I'll appreciate everyone's help with this:
Tomorrow this man, a representative of Azerbaijan, is presenting at my university.
Rather than protesting, we're just going to hand out some informational pamphlets outside the hall, and go inside once it starts, and listen and ask questions to expose some of the propaganda
If everyone can post a few questions that we can ask regarding the various topics bound to be discussed, it will be greatly appreciated.Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!Comment
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He will most definitely talk about khoajly so you can ask him questions about khojaly like "Why were the bodies found near Aghdam, which at that moment contained about 30,000-35,000 azeri soldiers?" "Why were the Meshketian Turks moved from Uzbekistan to khojaly and later prevented from leaving once the Armenian soldiers announced they would be attacking?" "If azerbaijan wants peace, than why don't they remove the snipers from the contact line like Armenia and the OSCE want?" "Why did azeri soldiers destroy the Armenian cemetery in Nakichevan?" "Why does azerbaijan keep making territorial claims towards Armenia?" "Why does azerbaijan keep distorting history by claiming Armenians are new to the region and northern Iran belongs to azerbaijan?"
If you need help with any questions they might ask in return let me know.Comment
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That is a lot of great information to get me started with, I appreciate it guys
I'll get started with this, and I should be able to take it from here
though even more material will be nice
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How comes, that Azerbaijan forbids access to Jougha (Nakhitchevan), to any international observer, including US ambassador (site of the destruction of 10.000 unique middle age typically Armenian Khatchkars, your "academicians" claimed to be "Albanian" during all soviet era, that is yours). The destruction by azeri army askars was filmed from the Iranian side of the Arax.Originally posted by Mher View Post
He will most probably deny access denial ever happened (yet since 2000-s no one ever had access to Jugha, it is a fact, and one Scott guy, sent by RAA was even arrested and taken to KGB offices in Nakhitchevan for daring making photos, then expelled), and accuse NKR of the destruction of imaginary "azarbaijani" monuments.
You can reply that access to all tatar cemeteries is free in NKR, no tombstone, is intentionally destroyed on wide scale, even if none has any artistic value.. (proof are the images full on the net). None is older than XIX century, all are in their state, some suffering their age decrepitute, few received bombs, etc... specially in the cemetry of Akna (aka Akdam).
Concerning monuments, we have numerous data of hundreds of Armenian churches dynamited in Nakhitchevan, Northern Artsakh (Gulistan church dynamited, (no man's land) before the eyes of our boys in 97 or 98 if I am not wrong) : well documented source : RAA..., Ayvaziyan
Yet the only muslim traces in NKR are 4 mosques:
1 in Akna, easy access, and unique building not destroyed, protected by NKR law (apart from direct bomb by an azeri Su 25 bomber in 1994, and a T 72 direct hit of ours in 93..
3 moskes in Shushi, all protected by law, and even one restored by an Armenian NGO .... while from the original 6 Armenian, and one russian churches only 2 stand....Comment
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Second option:
You are so proud of your oil Bonanza, your billions, you even spent 5 million to make repairs in a park of Mexico (to have permission for a Haydar Khan statue... now fate well known).
How comes your 'refugees" live in bad poor conditions after 25 years...???
Could't you spent those 5 million to offer palace quality datchas to 50 poor refugee families???
( you can buy a Datcha for 100.000 in world famous health resort center known as Gabala (alias Armenian district of Gudgashen)....)Comment
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