Armenia and the information war

[Mos]

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No, we should keep the mosques and renovate them. It works well for our image. They are the destroyers of culture, we are the preservers.

Renovate them for whom? No Azeri is going to come back to those lands, why we should waste money renovating some run down Azeri mosques? Money is tight, and we should instead be using that money for the Karabakh people, instead of putting that money to renovate azeri mosques no one will ever go to. I could care less about their fake historic sites and mosques, they don't have any claim to those lands, they only oppressed us there for decades - azeris and their mosques can go to hell.

[Federate]

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Renovate them for whom? No Azeri is going to come back to those lands, why we should waste money renovating some run down Azeri mosques? Money is tight, and we should instead be using that money for the Karabakh people, instead of putting that money to renovate azeri mosques no one will ever go to. I could care less about their fake historic sites and mosques, they don't have any claim to those lands, they only oppressed us there for decades - azeris and their mosques can go to hell.

Of course no Azeri will ever return to Artsakh, only if they get an NKR visa The renovation process is well underway but don't worry about the tight budget. It's a slow process that has been going on for years which probably means that very limited sums are being spent each year. And it is not only NKR that is spending the money; a lot of the funding comes from Iran. It's not only about preserving their so-called "culture" but more about having a favourable international view so that Azeris have one less card to play with while they destroy our khachkars (and we do relatively nothing about it :@)

[Federate]

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Armenian MFA criticizes Romanian President's statements

Armenian MFA comments on Romanian President's statements.

Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Armenia Shavarsh Kocharyan criticized the statements of the President of Romania Traian Basescu, according to which “Nagorno-Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan and the conflict should be solved on the basis of the latter’s territorial integrity”.

“I would not like to believe that the President of any EU member state could have made such a one-sided and destructive statement. If such a statement was really made, it contradicts the approaches of the international community, the stances of OSCE and EU, the joint statements at the Ministerial Meetings in Helsinki, Athens, Alma-Ata, Astana Summit, Presidents Medvedev, Obama and Sarkozy, which clearly state that the status of Nagorno-Karabakh should be defined on the basis of the free expression of will, which has an obligatory legal effect”, Shavarsh Kocharyan stated in an interview to Mediamax.

According to him, “such statements, made in favor of Azerbaijan, can cause at least bewilderment”.

http://news.az/articles/armenia/34789

[ninetoyadome]

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Turkish embassies receive threat message from ASALA
Fri 22 April 2011 05:00 GMT | -2:00 Local Time
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Threat message was reportedly first received at Turkish Embassy in Tbilisi, Georgia.
Turkey’s Foreign Ministry and National Intelligence Service, or MIT, are examining a threat message allegedly sent by the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia, or ASALA, which killed 34 Turkish diplomats in the 1970s and 1980s, according to diplomatic sources.

The threat message was reportedly first received at the Turkish Embassy in Tbilisi, Georgia, which is responsible for handling Armenian issues since Turkey has no diplomatic mission in Yerevan. A number of other Turkish embassies have received similar messages, sources said.

If Turkey supports Azerbaijan in the event it attacks Armenia over the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, “then the list will be finished,” said the message, in clear implication of the list of murdered Turkish diplomats.

Various Turkish embassies throughout the world have asked their host countries to increase security measures. Several Turkish embassies operate in countries that have sizeable Armenian communities like France, the United States and Lebanon.

The Foreign Ministry and the MIT are analyzing the threat messages in view of developments in the Armenian-Azerbaijani dispute as well as Turkish-Armenian relations. Armenians are preparing for 2015, the 100th year of the tragic events that involved the killing of thousands of people in eastern Turkey as the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

“There is radicalization among Armenian youth, especially in the diaspora. Their frustration over failing to make their genocide claims internationally recognized might have led to some of them reviving ASALA,” said a Turkish official asking to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the subject.

Active from 1975 to 1986, ASALA claimed responsibility for about 200 attacks on Turkish diplomatic and non-diplomatic institutions and murdered 58 Turkish and non-Turkish people, 34 of whom were Turkish diplomats. ASALA was listed as a terrorist organization by the United States until the 1980s, but was taken off the list when the group disbanded.

Hurriyet Daily News

[ninetoyadome]

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He's back with more bullxxxx

Georgian expert: Betrayal by Armenians is historic chain of events aiming at expanding their territories (VIDEO)
22.04.2011 10:54



Azerbaijan, Baku, April 21 /Trend, E. Tariverdiyeva/

Attending the Baku Conference "Caucasian House and the Armenians", Georgian historians and experts wanted to contribute to reporting the truth about the so-called "Armenian genocide" the Armenians mark on April 24 and about the destructive "national idea" of world Armenians, HD Guram Marhulia, Professor of the State University of Sukhumi, told Trend.

Conference "Caucasian House and the Armenians" arranged by the Human Rights Institute of the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan and the Association of Women-Journalists of Azerbaijan is being conducted in Baku with the participation of the Azerbaijani and Georgian scientists.

In 1985 when the shapes of USSR breakdown only started outlining, influential representatives of the so-called world Armenianship, having gathered at the 23rd congress of Dashnaksutun Party in Athens, raised the question of expanding Armenia’s borders.

"With one-vote majority, those who gathered there voted for annexation of Azerbaijani, not Georgian territories. The logic was that Nagorno-Karabakh was an autonomous region in contrast to Armenian-populated Samtskhe-Javaheti region of Georgia," the professor said.

However, the issue of expansion of Armenia’s borders presently touches upon Georgia as well because Armenian historians claim Samtskhe-Javaheti is a historic Armenian territory, he believes.

Marhulia said common people do not share the aspirations of politicians contributing to establishment of public organizations, which complain about the social position of Armenians residing in Georgia.

"As a matter of fact, the Government of Georgia does not examine the issue of social position of separate communes inhabiting the country. This political Armenian bluff has one aim only: annexation of part of Georgia by Armenia", the professor said.

Marhulia said the idea of "Great Armenia from sea to sea" rules Armenians’ brains.

They will never get access to the Caspian Sea and that’s why they currently work to expand the Armenian territories toward the Black Sea, he believes.

"This path - Samtskhe-Javaheti, the Kudar Pass, and Adzharia - is currently explored by the Armenians. It is hard to imagine today that Georgia will loose these territories; however, the Armenians who buy lands now settle in Abkhazia and Adzharia thus "outlining" Great Armenia’s shapes", Marhulia said.

Probably, one day the Armenians will begin to claim against the Krasnodar region where every fourth citizen is the Armenian, the scientist said. All these maneuvers aim at "Great Armenia", he believes.

Marhulia said the Armenian national idea was born not yesterday. Following the first Armenian-Georgian war, the Armenians annexed part of Georgia’s territory, as evidenced by Strabon, the professor said. There were many wars against Georgia and Albania, he said.

"At present, the Armenians also pursue a policy of expansion of its territories, which is directed against Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey. This policy envisions search of an ally for the expansion of territories of its state, since the Armenian nation can not do it without assistance".

Such was in the historic past and such happens today, too, the professor believes.

He said the Armenian Kingdom was abolished in 1045 and the Armenian population resettled in Cilicilia, Cappadocia and other territories of the then Byzantium Empire, now Turkey. At the time, part of Armenians settled in Georgia where they chose nearly all corners of the country as the Georgian nation had welcomed them, said Marhulia.

"But when an enemy attacked Georgia, the Armenians cordially welcomed it and occupied the houses of Georgians who had been killed in battles with enemies. The same happens today: Armenian families settle the houses the Georgians left in Abkhazia and South Ossetia after the August 2008 war. And so do the Armenians who currently live in the houses of Azerbaijanis in the occupied Nagorno-Karabakh," he said.

The betrayal by the Armenians is a historic chain of events, said Marhulia.

When the Armenians lived in the Seleucid Empire they established their state, which broke down soon after that, the professor said.

"When the Arabs invaded the South Caucasus and Albania in the second half of the 8th century, Armenian rulers offered the Arabs their help in a search of strong ally. They served to the Arabs and worked to establish their own state," said Marhulia.

"At the time, the Armenian state was established at Georgia’s indigenous territories under the Caliphate’s backed. As time lapsed, the Armenians, who had settled in Cilicilia and Cappadocia, established the so-called Armenia state, which, as a matter of fact, was a small commune ruled by catholicos whom they called Tsar. The same happened when the Ottomans waged war on the Byzantium Empire: the Armenians betrayed the Byzantines by supporting Ottoman Turks," said Marhulia.

However, when the Ottoman Empire waged war on Russia nothing disturbed the Armenians to betray the Ottomans as well. One day the Armenians will also betray Russia after they find a new geopolitical strength.

Undoubtedly, the Government of Georgia thinks Nagorno Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan as Baku admits that Abkhazia and South Ossetia are the historic regions of Georgia, the professor said.

"No nations in the world currently have as strong interrelations as the Georgian and Azerbaijani nations have. This can serve an example for many countries. And this, with God’s help, will last centuries," he said.

[Lernakan]

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“As I pledged to do in Washington before arriving as Ambassador, I traveled to Nakhchivan to investigate what happened in Djulfa,” Bryza was quoted as saying. “As I said at the time the cemetery destruction was reported, the desecration of cultural sites – especially a cemetery – is a tragedy, which we deplore, regardless of where it happens.”

What a show...they can see that the cemetery is destroyed with their satellites. You don't need to go there to see it.

[levon]

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Levon I don't disagree, especially with your paragraph on far-fetched propaganda. We can't give undue weight to denialists for example. But what happens when someone with scholarly credibility vomits denialist propaganda? Not even, what happens if someone who is articulate and uses excellent forged sources to try to prove the AG never happened (tallarmeniantale.com). We need to be armed and anticipate. You will be laughed at if you say "get lost troll" to Justin McCarthy for example. Your ideas are great in an ideal world where Armenians can destroy whatever they do not like. True, you can do that in a forum but I view things differently in the sense that this forum provides good simulation of what we might encounter in real life or in arenas that actually matter or make a difference. Unchecked propaganda can also mean implicit acceptance, at least to the outside viewer. In real life, you can't stop any kind of misinformation unless you destroy the state of Azerbaijan.

Armenians must know what they are up against. From the average Azeri troll who tries to tie their artificial nation to Caucasian Albania to the bumbling third party idiot who read de Waal's Black Garden and thinks we committed a genocide in Ivanyan. I think in most cases it can be said that the more incredible the lie seems, the more people will find it easier to believe. For example, if an Azeri came here and went on about how Tigran the Great was Persian, half of the forum members here would only reply "Get lost troll". And on the surface, it looks laughable at best. Now what if I told you that Wikipedia (or Azeri editors) had written that Tigran the Great was Persian once upon a time? Or that Bin Laden had ties to Armenia? Another piece of comedy that was once upon a time the rage over the Internet where we did not have control over.

Anyway, I think we're exaggerating the amount of misinformation that might be present here. Almost everyone is pro-Armenian (or claims to be) and those who are not are usually banned within a few days for some of the reasons both of us are mentioning. If you do see things that are ludicrous, let me know so we can get rid of it.

Ok, I see your point. I think misinformation must be looked at at a greater context than an article at a time. One article usually doesn't give enough context to decipher whom it is mean to target and for what purpose. When these things are deciphered then countering becomes easier. A lot of azeri propaganda is geared toward domestic consumption i.e. to increase population morale. If adequate resources are available then such misinformation can easily be countered by recycling the content, but switching context. So if an article has a positive tone, the same facts can be recycled, but with a negative tone.
One can also engage in more subtle tactics, such as user-created content from an azeri point of view that usually recycles content, but also posts "personal" entries that are negative in tone.

In case of scholars, it's easiest to destroy their credibility, directly or indirectly. One may engage in mis-information against that scholar. Fake organization names can be used. For example, "The North American Scholars Consortium recently refused to publish an article by Justin McCarthy due to concerns over falsification of facts." These can be from "quasi-fake" news sources that recycle news reports most of the time (to build credibility) then every once in a while post mis-information. They don't have to have any readers, just a web-presence, so if someone searched Justin McCarthy on google the news report would pop.

The import thing to remember is that a targeted campaign can destroy almost anyone's credibility. The trick is to do it subtly and progressively.
Directly engaging scholars will never work unless the person engaging is at least as renowned.

Many things can be learned from researching how corporations, such as tobacco companies have been pushing misinformation. Many of their techniques can be used just as effectively for our cause. Check out this link for a quick introduction.


As far as this forum is concerned, I'll give an example. If a member makes one post where he halfheartedly refers to Armenians as Iranian brothers, then it doesn't mean anything, but when the same person continues on to with his bs by taking facts out of context and asserting falsehoods to be truths then that member is obviously going out of his way for an external agenda and his efforts must be stopped.

[Federate]

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Good stuff! Thanks for the link mate.

[Federate]

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What a show...they can see that the cemetery is destroyed with their satellites. You don't need to go there to see it.

Of course they can. Is he seriously going to convince us that the mighty US with all its satellites and technology cannot find a before and after photo of the Julfa destruction? Bryza is probably doing a show to Armenian-Americans who protested his appointment as US ambassador to Azerbaijan.

[Mukuch]

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Azeri Teenagers Jailed for Masturbation Using Kim Kardashian PhotoWednesday, 20 April 2011 09:46 |
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ArmComedy.com – On Monday Azerbaijan’s secret services busted two students from Baku State Engineering University after Heidar Aliev, catching them red-handed – indulging in anti-Azerbaijani erotica. Lobzik Byul-Byul (18 years old) and Heidar Azikyv (19 years old) are expected to face charges of high-treason for “succumbing to occupant pornography”.Friends and family of the traitors have harshly condemned Lobzik and his peer. Lobzik’s uncle told the reporters on Tuesday: “He deserves the most severe punishment… all these years we thought we are raising a patriotic young Azeri boy only to be eventually disappointed by this pro-Armenian manifesto. Just to think – I taught him his first anti-Armenian jokes, I can’t believe he could betray us so filthily.”
The Azeri pride-jackers have violated Azerbaijan’s constitutional stipulation on patriotism adopted in 2003 which qualifies this act as a betrayal of motherland, territorial integrity and Azerbaijani ladies.

Spokesman of Azerbaijani National Security Service after Heidar Aliev announced on Tuesday: “This is the second case of Azerbaijani young men embracing anti-Azerbaijani erotic fantasies, provoked by the Armenian Diaspora. This is a part of the information war and every citizen of Azerbaijan needs to be prepared to resist the anti-Azeri temptations”.

Ministry of Education of Azerbaijan after Heidar Aliev considers this a consequence of lack of awareness among youth on Azerbaijan’s hot women. Minister Tophique Mahmedov says: “We need to promote our local potential in magazines and manuals, so the new generation does not get carried away with politically incorrect breast of Kardashian or other separatist pornography”.

All political parties of Azerbaijan have condemned the young traitors and called on intensifying information war. Gyulab Mamedov, Member of “Yeni Azerbaijan” party after Heidar Aliev, proposed a list of Azerbaijan’s actresses and singers to be recommended to youngsters of transitional age.

Political analyst Yusuf Bldughlu suggests a systematic approach to the issues: “The time that young men spend on fantasizing about Kardashian should be spent on fantasizing about returning Karabakh. Not only is it equally enjoyable but also patriotically reinforcing”. Law enforcement agencies and information security services are currently taking measures to remove all images of Kim Kardashian from newspaper-stands, torrents and hard disks of young men in the Republic of Azerbaijan after Heidar Aliev.

Sources report that Eurovision beauty Safura took the incident as a slap in her face and is currently preparing a new sexy video clip.