Armenia and the information war

[bell-the-cat]

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I really don't see the point in wasting money on mosques that no one will ever go to. There better things to spend money on, I mean it really makes me angry that they waste all this money on some Azeri mosques. Just let those mosques rot for all I care.

Mos, as usual, is a gift to Azeri propagandists. So it seems that all the mosques anywhere in NK are "Azeri", but the mosques in Armenia aren't "Azeri". I don't expect a simpleton like Mos to explain what architectural features make one lot "Azeri" and the other lot "Persian" (though maybe he will surprise me and make a go at trying). Nor do I expect him to explain the double standards of wanting the preservation of Armenian churches in Turkey "that no one will ever go to", and not wanting the preservation of mosques in NK "that no one will ever go to". Of course, in his bigoted mind, "go to" just means "go to worship in" - he can't comprehend why people should want to preserve and admire the past creations of humanity.

[Eddo211]

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Mosques in Armenia's positions should be restored as close as possible to original condition....it is only the right thing to do.

[bell-the-cat]

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Mosques in Armenia's positions should be restored as close as possible to original condition....it is only the right thing to do.

And in terms of its propaganda value, it is so right that it is a no-brainer. But I understandwhy some locals who have no money to repair their own homes, are annoyed to see money being spent on empty buildings. But the answer then is to also give resources to those whose homes need repairing, and as a side-effect provide some much-needed employment.

[Mos]

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Mos, as usual, is a gift to Azeri propagandists. So it seems that all the mosques anywhere in NK are "Azeri", but the mosques in Armenia aren't "Azeri". I don't expect a simpleton like Mos to explain what architectural features make one lot "Azeri" and the other lot "Persian" (though maybe he will surprise me and make a go at trying). Nor do I expect him to explain the double standards of wanting the preservation of Armenian churches in Turkey "that no one will ever go to", and not wanting the preservation of mosques in NK "that no one will ever go to". Of course, in his bigoted mind, "go to" just means "go to worship in" - he can't comprehend why people should want to preserve and admire the past creations of humanity.

Because churches in Eastern Turkey are located in historic Armenian landed, while Karabakh is not a historically Azeri land. Especially, given the fact that Karabakh needs all the money it gets, it shouldn't waste it on Mosque renovation but instead spend on the Karabakh people, Stepanakert, army, and Armenian cultural structures.

[bell-the-cat]

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Because churches in Eastern Turkey are located in historic Armenian landed, while Karabakh is not a historically Azeri land.

So, then, it would be acceptable in your opinion for Turkey to demolish any Armenian churches outside "Historically Armenian lands" - churches that lie outside historical Armenia but in settlements that once had Armenian populations? I think you will answer "No".

[Mos]

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So, then, it would be acceptable in your opinion for Turkey to demolish any Armenian churches outside "Historically Armenian lands" - churches that lie outside historical Armenia but in settlements that once had Armenian populations? I think you will answer "No".

Turks have no ancestral land in this part of the world. They are just Mongolic invaders that came and settled in the area. So it's not for the Turks to decide who have established an identity based on lies, genocide, and forgery.

[Tigranakert]

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And in terms of its propaganda value, it is so right that it is a no-brainer. But I understandwhy some locals who have no money to repair their own homes, are annoyed to see money being spent on empty buildings. But the answer then is to also give resources to those whose homes need repairing, and as a side-effect provide some much-needed employment.

I disagree with this. Doing good hasn't brought Armenia anything "good" the last hundreds of years. It has a propaganda value of zero, because the world doesn't care about human rights or justice to prevail. It's all about self-interests. Nobody cared when Azerbaijan destroyed the ancient and historically enormously important Julfa Khachkars, they basically said "Azerbaijan, please don't do it anymore" and that's because they had to say something (or the dozens of other Armenian heritage which is being destroyed currently in Azerbaijan).

Armenians have to realize one day that only being on the defensive side and doing good deeds (when at the same time they are doing the opposite) will help nothing, but actually make it much worse. Not that I am a supporter of destroying these things, but I am against allocating money to renovate these, the money is much more needed in other places right now.

[Mos]

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Armenians have to realize one day that only being on the defensive side and doing good deeds (when at the same time they are doing the opposite) will help nothing, but actually make it much worse. Not that I am a supporter of destroying these things, but I am against allocating money to renovate these, the money is much more needed in other places right now.

I agree.

[Eddo211]

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Armenians have to realize one day that only being on the defensive side and doing good deeds (when at the same time they are doing the opposite) will help nothing, but actually make it much worse. .

I agree....however we cannot allow this to change our values. Hell we know how religious Turks and Azeris are (not) but it is principle of it. If we can effort it and stay out of sniper range then we should at least try to slow down their decay.

[Eddo211]

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And in terms of its propaganda value, it is so right that it is a no-brainer. But I understandwhy some locals who have no money to repair their own homes, are annoyed to see money being spent on empty buildings. But the answer then is to also give resources to those whose homes need repairing, and as a side-effect provide some much-needed employment.

NKR could ask friendly Muslim countries to fund restoration projects on the Mosques (make sure Turkey and Azerbaijan hear about it, just stir the sh1t up)....and if they turn it down then what does it say about them? I am sure Iran would pitch in at least. This request should come from Artsakh (with the approval of the Church), not Armenian government, I would think.