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  • HermanGerman
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by ninetoyadome View Post
    Armenian native associated with blasts in Boston
    Mon 22 April 2013 06:20 GMT | -1:20 Local Time
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    In an interview with NBC News Ruslan Tsarni hinted that he knew who brought a trouble to his nephews - a man of Armenian descent.
    A relative of Johar and Tamerlane Tsarnaevs - brothers suspected in the attack on the Boston Marathon – is sure that an Armenian native has a hand in radicalization of the brothers, 1news.az reports.

    "I firmly believe that they were just puppets in someone's massive game" Ruslan Tsarni, the suspects’ uncle, believes.

    According to him, the brothers changed beyond recognition during their stay in the U.S., where they have a kind of mentor-Islamist. He is confident that the eldest brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan, who died Friday in a shootout with police in Boston, used younger Johar.

    "He certainly had mentors. I was shocked when I heard that in his speech, he starts every sentence with a reference to God”, the uncle said noting that he last saw Tamerlan in 2009.

    He felt no loyalty to God in his nephew’s words.

    "It was what is called the radicalization”, said Ruslan. “He did not understand what he says. He just used the words for words without understanding their meaning”.

    In an interview with NBC News Ruslan Tsarni hinted that he knew who brought a trouble to his nephews - a man of Armenian descent.

    "There's nothing to do with Russia or Chechnya”, he said. “It started here. "


    According to, 19-year-old Johar Tsarnayev, who had a neck wound, is in hospital in Boston. He was arrested on Friday after a major operation conducted by the police in Boston.

    Federal prosecutors in the United States are preparing to set charges Johar. According to the channel, if if the charges of using weapons of mass destruction to kill people are put forward, Tsarnayev could face the death penalty.

    Three people died and nearly 200 were injured as a result of two explosions that rocked at the finish of the Boston Marathon last Monday.

    News.Az

    These people are sad and pathetic. So according to these idiots, because the uncle said it had nothing to do with Russia or Chechnya, that it started in Boston, it has to be an Armenian? Speak about xxxxed in the head.

    Edit: http://www.theweek.co.uk/us/boston-b...-bomb-suspects
    The article states the brothers lived in Turkey before coming to the US a year ago. Like the azeris we can deduce that they learned how to make the bombs in Turkey.


    CNN - the same xxxx: The fishy 'uncle' says a CONVERTED ARMENIAN GUY brainwashed his nephew and made him a terrorist! LOL! This is more then ridiculous
    Last edited by HermanGerman; 04-22-2013, 03:28 AM.

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  • ninetoyadome
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Armenian native associated with blasts in Boston
    Mon 22 April 2013 06:20 GMT | -1:20 Local Time
    Text size:

    In an interview with NBC News Ruslan Tsarni hinted that he knew who brought a trouble to his nephews - a man of Armenian descent.
    A relative of Johar and Tamerlane Tsarnaevs - brothers suspected in the attack on the Boston Marathon – is sure that an Armenian native has a hand in radicalization of the brothers, 1news.az reports.

    "I firmly believe that they were just puppets in someone's massive game" Ruslan Tsarni, the suspects’ uncle, believes.

    According to him, the brothers changed beyond recognition during their stay in the U.S., where they have a kind of mentor-Islamist. He is confident that the eldest brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan, who died Friday in a shootout with police in Boston, used younger Johar.

    "He certainly had mentors. I was shocked when I heard that in his speech, he starts every sentence with a reference to God”, the uncle said noting that he last saw Tamerlan in 2009.

    He felt no loyalty to God in his nephew’s words.

    "It was what is called the radicalization”, said Ruslan. “He did not understand what he says. He just used the words for words without understanding their meaning”.

    In an interview with NBC News Ruslan Tsarni hinted that he knew who brought a trouble to his nephews - a man of Armenian descent.

    "There's nothing to do with Russia or Chechnya”, he said. “It started here. "


    According to, 19-year-old Johar Tsarnayev, who had a neck wound, is in hospital in Boston. He was arrested on Friday after a major operation conducted by the police in Boston.

    Federal prosecutors in the United States are preparing to set charges Johar. According to the channel, if if the charges of using weapons of mass destruction to kill people are put forward, Tsarnayev could face the death penalty.

    Three people died and nearly 200 were injured as a result of two explosions that rocked at the finish of the Boston Marathon last Monday.

    News.Az

    These people are sad and pathetic. So according to these idiots, because the uncle said it had nothing to do with Russia or Chechnya, that it started in Boston, it has to be an Armenian? Speak about xxxxed in the head.

    Edit: http://www.theweek.co.uk/us/boston-b...-bomb-suspects
    The article states the brothers lived in Turkey before coming to the US a year ago. Like the azeris we can deduce that they learned how to make the bombs in Turkey.
    Last edited by ninetoyadome; 04-21-2013, 11:28 PM.

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  • ninetoyadome
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    "These Azerbaijanis are alright, eh?" Must've paid top dollar to get that line in there as well as a whole level in Baku.

    They have been in a few games

    all of those games concern terrorists

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  • Federate
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    "These Azerbaijanis are alright, eh?" Must've paid top dollar to get that line in there as well as a whole level in Baku.

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  • ninetoyadome
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by TomServo View Post
    How low can they get?

    Its not surprising, we know what kind of people they are.

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  • TomServo
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    How low can they get?

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  • Vrej1915
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    Այազ Մութալիբովը նոր մանրամասներ է բացահայտում

    Հրապարակված է՝ 14.03.2013

    Ավելի քան 20 տարի առաջ գահընկեց արված, հայրենիքից վտարված եւ միայն վերջերս Բաքու վերադարձած Ադրբեջանի առաջին նախագահը «Ազատություն» ռադիոկայանին տված բացառիկ հարցազրույցում որոշ մանրամասներ է բացահայտել 90-ականների լարված օրերի, արյունալի «Կոլցո» օպերացիայի, ինչպես նաեւ դրանից առաջ ԽՍՀՄ նախագահ Միխայիլ Գորբաչովի հետ իր դռնփակ բանակցությունների մասին:

    Այազ Մութալիբովը խոստովանել է, որ Ղարաբաղի հարցում Գորբաչովից որոշ զիջումներ կորզելու, մասնավորապես, տասնյակ հայաշատ բնակավայրեր հայաթափելու համար խաղաթուղթ է դարձրել Ադրբեջանում անցկացված հանրաքվեն՝ ԽՍՀՄ կազմում մնալու վերաբերյալ: Հիշեցնենք, 1990 թվականի վերջին Գորբաչովի նախաձեռնությամբ որոշվեց համամիութենական հանրաքվե անցկացնել, ինչին, սակայն, մի շարք հանրապետություններ չենթարկվեցին, այդ թվում՝ Հայաստանն ու Վրաստանը: Ադրբեջանը, մինչդեռ, ոչ միայն անցկացրեց հանրաքվեն, այլեւ դեմ արտահայտվեց սեփական անկախությանը ձայների ավելի քան 90 տոկոսով:

    «Ես գիտեի, որ այդ հանրաքվեն որեւէ կարեւորություն իրենից չի ներկայացնում, միեւնույնն է, Խորհրդային Միությունը փլուզվում էր, եւ գործընթացը գնալու էր մինչեւ վերջ: Ուղղակի պետք էր օգտվել այդ հնարավորությունից, եւ ես հանրաքվեից մեկ օր անց ցույց տվեցի արդյունքները Գորբաչովին՝ ասելով՝ «տե'ս, ադրբեջանի ժողովուրդը արդարացիորեն վիրավորված է քեզնից, այդուամենայնիվ, քվեարկել է ԽՍՀՄ պահպանման օգտին»: Ասացի, որ այս փաստաթուղթը որոշակի գին ունի: Գորբաչովը հարցրեց՝ ո՞րն է այդ գինը, եւ ես պատասխանեցի՝ Ձեր կողմից կարգադրություն կա, որը չի իրագործվում, մաքրե՛ք Ղարաբաղը զինյալներից», - պատմել է Մութալիբովը:

    Հենց այս խոսակցությունից շաբաթներ անց, ըստ Մութալիբովի, Գորբաչովը հավանություն է տվել, որ Ադրբեջանում տեղակայված զինվորական ստորաբաժանումները` հատուկ ջոկատայինների հետ, տանկերով ու զրահատեխնիկայով օղակի մեջ առնեն երկու տասնյակից ավելի հայկական գյուղեր: Անձնագրային ռեժիմի ստուգման պատրվակով իրականացված գործողությունը, հիշեցնենք, ավարտվեց հազարավոր հայերի բռնի տեղահանմամբ ու զոհերով:

    «Իրականում Ղարաբաղի զինաթափման ու անձնագրային ռեժիմ մտցնելու մասին որոշումը գոյություն ուներ վաղուց, սակայն միայն թղթի վրա: Սա ես առաջին անգամ եմ ասում», - խոստովանել է Այազ Մութալիբովը եւ հավելել, որ հայերի համար խիստ վտանգավոր այս կարգադրությունը թղթի վրա էր մնացել՝ ամերիկահայերի գործադրած ջանքերի շնորհիվ:

    «1991 թվականին ես զրուցեցի ամերիկացի նախկին հետախույզների հետ, որոնք հետեւում էին Բաքվում տիրող իրավիճակին, խնդրեցի, որպեսզի նրանք ինձ փոխանցեն մի նամակի պատճեն: Այդ նամակը ԱՄՆ նախագահ Ջորջ Բուշ ավագին էին հասցեագրել 40 հայամետ կոնգրեսականներ՝ կոչ անելով, որպեսզի նա ճնշում գործադրի Գորբաչովի վրա եւ թույլ չտա կյանքի կոչել այդ կարգադրությունը», - ասել է Ադրբեջանի նախկին նախագահը:

    Չնայած այդ ճնշումներին, ըստ Մութալիբովի, Ադրբեջանում անցկացված հանրաքվեից հետո պաշտոնական Բաքուն կարողացել է կոտրել Գորբաչովի դիմակայությունը եւ զորք մտցնել հայաշատ բնակավայրեր:

    «Նրանք մաքրեցին 24 գյուղ ավազակներից: Տեր-Պետրոսյանը շատ էր տխրել, ասաց, որ չի ների ինձ դրա համար, եւ ես այդ ժամանակ հասկացա, որ նրանք՝ հայերը վրեժխնդիր են լինելու», - ասել է Մութալիբովը:

    Ըստ Մութալիբովի, սրան հետեւել են մի շարք իրադարձություններ, այդ թվում ՝ 1991 թվականի նոյեմբերին Բերդաշենի մերձակայքում ադրբեջանական ուղղաթիռի կործանումը, որի արդյունքում զոհվեցին Մութալիբովի մերձավոր աջակիցները, ինչպես նաեւ Խոջալուի դեպքերը:

    «Անընդունելի էր իմ հրաժարականը կապել Խոջալուի հետ, դա շատ ազդեց ինձ վրա, ես չէի սպասում, որ ինձ կմեղադրեն ցեղասպանության մեջ, այդ պնդումները տարածվեցին ամենուր եւ վերածվեցին հսկայական արգելապատնեշի, որը հաղթահարել ես չկարողացա», - «Ազատություն» ռադիոկայանի ադրբեջանական ծառայությանը տված բացառիկ հարցազրույցում ասել է Ադրբեջանի առաջին նախագահ Այազ Մութալիբովը:

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  • TomServo
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    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    That's surprising - Galichian speaks perfect English and lives in London. Unless it was written in Armenian first and then translated by a third party. Haven't seen the book though.
    Here is a sample paragraph from the book:

    "Azerbaijani claims that they are the descendants of the Caucasian Albanians who were Christians, however, not only fail the test of historical truth but also generates its own internal contradictions. The claim is incosistent with pan-Turkic and pan-Turanist ideology, which claims that the Turkish-speaking Azerbaijanis are of Turkic race and heritage and form a link in the chain of a Turkish-speaking belt of nations stretching from the Mediterranean to Mongolia. Therefore, in order to be in good standing with the pan-Turkists and Turkey, Azerbaijan has to be able to claim a Turkish origin and thus acquire membership of the Turkic club of nations. Hence their argue that the Turkic races of Agh-koyunlu (Ak-koyunlu), Kara-koyunlu, as well as the Safavids and others, are also their ancestors. This assertion apparently resolves some of the possible ethno-political problems with Turkey, but presents the larger one of claiming two distinct and geographically widely separated origins."

    All those spelling errors/typos are from the book. Okay, so it's not Artashes-level-bad, but still desperately in need of a professional editor.

    And believe it or not, this is the "second, revised, and expanded edition"! In the acknowledgements, Galichian says that the book was edited by Levon Chorbajian, an Armenian-American and native English speaker...

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Originally posted by TomServo View Post
    There is a book called The Invention of History by Ruben Galichian that also focuses on Azerbaijani hysteriagraphy but it was either poorly translated or poorly edited. Some of the sentences are almost as difficult to understand as Artashes' posts.
    That's surprising - Galichian speaks perfect English and lives in London. Unless it was written in Armenian first and then translated by a third party. Haven't seen the book though.

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Originally posted by TomServo View Post
    Ahh, thanks. It's the second one.

    bell, I think the title is meant to reflect Karapetian's central argument: that the region's Islamic monuments were "constructed in accordance with the principles and logic of Armenian architecture."
    I'd disagree with that argument because it isn't backed up by the appearance of many of the monuments. But Karapetian doesn't make an argument, all he does is state an opinion - and simply stating an opinion isn't making an argument for the accuracy of that opinion. That is why I said that the English title appears propagandistic in nature and will alienate readers - which is a pity because the booklet documents a lot of structures that are unknown or almost unknown (of them, I had only ever heard of the two mausoleums near Vanotsa) and shows that despite them not being Armenian monuments they are still well preserved - in contrast to the fate of all the Armenian monuments in areas under Azeri control.
    Last edited by bell-the-cat; 03-08-2013, 09:02 AM.

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