Armenia and the information war

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Lmao. I don't think you know what autism is. I work with children who are autistic.

If you want to start calling people autists, go to 4chan. They welcome that there and the site is full of them. I can assure you, I am not autistic.

Stop projecting as well. Being autistic is okay, theres nothing to be ashamed of my little minecrafter.


Hilarious. Ive only been posting on this forum for a few days, and Ive already been accused of being an ARF agent, a Turk, a woman, a Russian bot, and an autist.

Lol welcome to the forum. Don't take it personally.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

That I can address

Originally, the article listed 102 T-72s. A user then added 200 T-72s, using a source that did not actually specify the number of T72s (It claimed that there were 200 tanks in general, but not 200 T72s. This was pointed out by another user, who had reverted the edit.) I believe armnuke increased the number to 250, with no source cited. He also added in information regarding the actual number of T72s in NKR, however the numbers he provided did not coincide with the source, that he failed to provide (but referred to)

I found the article, added the source, adjusted the numbers etc. Because the NKR Defense Army and the Armenian Army are the same thing (NKR command structure is like a Soviet front or German Army Group), and inspections are not possible in NKR...its quite difficult to determine what number of tanks Armenia has and what number of tanks the Armenian Armed Forces in NK have. I just put the original number with an addition sign that indicates that there is more. The information in the chart notes should be sufficient for readers.

As for the BMPs - The source says 50 were repaired, not 100 or 50-100. Perhaps the person who read it, couldnt read the PDF properly because it was in Russian?

There are way more BMP-2s than that, especially in NK.

Armnuke jan, most of the sourced information you provided is still there - just not the pictures. No reason to act like a child over it. Its just pictures.

Users adding information, reverting edits, deleting false info, etc is what makes an article good. Don't be discouraged or personally offended because I'm removing and editing some of the things you are adding.

By the way, there are many many people who edit military equipment articles as a form of agenda-pushing.


Ill say it again - If you want to address the issues of the wikipedia article use the article's talk page, not this forum. There are at least 5 other users who actively edit the article and monitor it. They would have removed all the information you added along with the pictures. They also deserve to be informed on what you are doing to the article - Be considerate and post in the talk page.

Not getting into Wikipedia again. I have my military page on Facebook to discuss military stuff with people from all around the world. Way cooler than having to go through useless arguments to convince people.

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Speaking of Wikipedia, what has been going on with the equipment counts lately? T-72s went from 200 to 250 and now they are at 100? Same with all our other vehicles, for example I think we had higher numbers for the BMPs.

That I can address

Originally, the article listed 102 T-72s. A user then added 200 T-72s, using a source that did not actually specify the number of T72s (It claimed that there were 200 tanks in general, but not 200 T72s. This was pointed out by another user, who had reverted the edit.) I believe armnuke increased the number to 250, with no source cited. He also added in information regarding the actual number of T72s in NKR, however the numbers he provided did not coincide with the source, that he failed to provide (but referred to)

I found the article, added the source, adjusted the numbers etc. Because the NKR Defense Army and the Armenian Army are the same thing (NKR command structure is like a Soviet front or German Army Group), and inspections are not possible in NKR...its quite difficult to determine what number of tanks Armenia has and what number of tanks the Armenian Armed Forces in NK have. I just put the original number with an addition sign that indicates that there is more. The information in the chart notes should be sufficient for readers.

As for the BMPs - The source says 50 were repaired, not 100 or 50-100. Perhaps the person who read it, couldnt read the PDF properly because it was in Russian?

There are way more BMP-2s than that, especially in NK.

Armnuke jan, most of the sourced information you provided is still there - just not the pictures. No reason to act like a child over it. Its just pictures.

Users adding information, reverting edits, deleting false info, etc is what makes an article good. Don't be discouraged or personally offended because I'm removing and editing some of the things you are adding.

By the way, there are many many people who edit military equipment articles as a form of agenda-pushing.


Ill say it again - If you want to address the issues of the wikipedia article use the article's talk page, not this forum. There are at least 5 other users who actively edit the article and monitor it. They would have removed all the information you added along with the pictures. They also deserve to be informed on what you are doing to the article - Be considerate and post in the talk page.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Speaking of Wikipedia, what has been going on with the equipment counts lately? T-72s went from 200 to 250 and now they are at 100? Same with all our other vehicles, for example I think we had higher numbers for the BMPs.

Our friend is w*nking on Wikipedia. God knows what it's going to end up looking like.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You should be editing the wikipedia article because you want it to be accurate, not because you want please your internet-warrior complex.

You spent hours finding photos not part of public domain and uploading them to wikipedia - I suspect they will soon be removed due to the issues i spelled out for you several times.

Unlike your edits, I based my edits off the pre-existing information and charts. You can read that in the talk page. You can also look at previous version of the page - I took all the information already in bullet points and converted it to chart form - I then added information regarding the recent arms deal with Russia. Thats it.

When it comes to information, I hardly changed or added anything to the page. You were adding unsourced information, adding bogus figures (In the T72 section especially) that did not coincide with the sources you listed. (Sources that you didn't even bother to formally reference. You cannot just put "According to Razm.info" Find the article, and cite it.)

Don't imply that I am hypocrite for simply removing inappropriate images. The weapons you listed are still there.

Are you even in Armenia?
I've left my good life in another country and have moved to Armenia to contribute to the country while getting 1/3 the income I had.
Don't speak left and right without knowing the person you're talking to. I did not label you to start with.
Actually, this thread was very interesting without your presence.
Looks like your world revolves around Wikipedia. Do what you like with it then.

[Achemish]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Speaking of Wikipedia, what has been going on with the equipment counts lately? T-72s went from 200 to 250 and now they are at 100? Same with all our other vehicles, for example I think we had higher numbers for the BMPs.

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

LOL why is mine not optimal and yours optimal.
I spent hours finding/inserting photos and you removed them because it's not optimal?
No wonder you argue with everyone since you've joined this forum.
If we can't agree on a Wikipedia page, how are we going to win wars? Of course not with people like you on board.

You should be editing the wikipedia article because you want it to be accurate, not because you want please your internet-warrior complex.

You spent hours finding photos not part of public domain and uploading them to wikipedia - I suspect they will soon be removed due to the issues i spelled out for you several times.

Unlike your edits, I based my edits off the pre-existing information and charts. You can read that in the talk page. You can also look at previous version of the page - I took all the information already in bullet points and converted it to chart form - I then added information regarding the recent arms deal with Russia. Thats it.

When it comes to information, I hardly changed or added anything to the page. You were adding unsourced information, adding bogus figures (In the T72 section especially) that did not coincide with the sources you listed. (Sources that you didn't even bother to formally reference. You cannot just put "According to Razm.info" Find the article, and cite it.)

Don't imply that I am hypocrite for simply removing inappropriate images. The weapons you listed are still there.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Yes. read the edit reason. Discuss the issue in the talk page. The tables that were originally created were not optimized for photos. Im working on making new tables. (Also, one of the images was from someone's facebook page, a personal photo and that is prohibited on wikipedia. It was the SVD section.)

Theres nothing wrong with your edits - They are all made in good faith. They are just not optimal for the article.

Im also working on getting the equipment section turned into its own article, as it is way too long. Continue your edits then, and collaborate with other users.

LOL why is mine not optimal and yours optimal.
I spent hours finding/inserting photos and you removed them because it's not optimal?
No wonder you argue with everyone since you've joined this forum.
If we can't agree on a Wikipedia page, how are we going to win wars? Of course not with people like you on board.

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Lori did you remove the photos?

Yes. read the edit reason. Discuss the issue in the talk page. The tables that were originally created were not optimized for photos. Im working on making new tables. (Also, one of the images was from someone's facebook page, a personal photo and that is prohibited on wikipedia. It was the SVD section.)

Theres nothing wrong with your edits - They are all made in good faith. They are just not optimal for the article.

Im also working on getting the equipment section turned into its own article, as it is way too long. Continue your edits then, and collaborate with other users.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Lori did you remove the photos?