Armenia and the information war

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Last time they said .......

They were told it was consequences of war.
Therefore next time they threaten us with war they should talk with some modesty.

What do they expect, not to defend ourselves in case we get sued for damages .....

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[Chubs]

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Armenia owes over $700B to Azerbaijan
Fri 01 May 2015 04:04 GMT | -3:04 Local Time
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The damage caused by Armenia during the years of occupation of Azerbaijani lands amounts to at least $700 billion.
The statement came from member of the working group on assessment of the damage caused to Azerbaijan as a result of the aggressive policy of Armenia Nusret Ibrahimov who spoke to Trend on April 30.

He said that the working group still continues its work to assess the damage inflicted. These figures are minimal so far, said Ibrahimov.

“We have completed nearly 70 percent of the work,” he said. “The damage to historical monuments, natural resources has been evaluated, the damage to environment has been partly calculated.”

Ibrahimov said foreign specialists, who will assist in this work, are expected to arrive in the near future.

A working group of 15 people is operating under the state commission for rehabilitation and reconstruction of Azerbaijan’s territories occupied as a result of military operations and affected in connection with this.

The Azerbaijani presidential administration, the deputy prime minister, the chairman of the State Committee for Refugees and IDPs, Ali Hasanov, and a number of ministries and committees contribute to the group’s work.

The objective here is to calculate the inflicted damage, with the participation of international organizations and in line with international standards.

The conflict between the two South Caucasus countries began in 1988 when Armenia made territorial claims against Azerbaijan. As a result of the ensuing war, in 1992 Armenian armed forces occupied 20 percent of Azerbaijan, including the Nagorno-Karabakh region and seven surrounding districts.

The two countries signed a ceasefire agreement in 1994. The co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, Russia, France and the US are currently holding peace negotiations. Armenia has not yet implemented the UN Security Council's four resolutions on the liberation of the Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding regions.




Looks like Armenia has to apply for a loan

Last time they said it was 300 billion guess they found some more magical damages

[Shant03]

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We should settle and laugh at the idea of all that money being spent on weapons only to take us to court!

[ninetoyadome]

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Armenia owes over $700B to Azerbaijan
Fri 01 May 2015 04:04 GMT | -3:04 Local Time
Text size: bigger smaller
139456
The damage caused by Armenia during the years of occupation of Azerbaijani lands amounts to at least $700 billion.
The statement came from member of the working group on assessment of the damage caused to Azerbaijan as a result of the aggressive policy of Armenia Nusret Ibrahimov who spoke to Trend on April 30.

He said that the working group still continues its work to assess the damage inflicted. These figures are minimal so far, said Ibrahimov.

“We have completed nearly 70 percent of the work,” he said. “The damage to historical monuments, natural resources has been evaluated, the damage to environment has been partly calculated.”

Ibrahimov said foreign specialists, who will assist in this work, are expected to arrive in the near future.

A working group of 15 people is operating under the state commission for rehabilitation and reconstruction of Azerbaijan’s territories occupied as a result of military operations and affected in connection with this.

The Azerbaijani presidential administration, the deputy prime minister, the chairman of the State Committee for Refugees and IDPs, Ali Hasanov, and a number of ministries and committees contribute to the group’s work.

The objective here is to calculate the inflicted damage, with the participation of international organizations and in line with international standards.

The conflict between the two South Caucasus countries began in 1988 when Armenia made territorial claims against Azerbaijan. As a result of the ensuing war, in 1992 Armenian armed forces occupied 20 percent of Azerbaijan, including the Nagorno-Karabakh region and seven surrounding districts.

The two countries signed a ceasefire agreement in 1994. The co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, Russia, France and the US are currently holding peace negotiations. Armenia has not yet implemented the UN Security Council's four resolutions on the liberation of the Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding regions.




Looks like Armenia has to apply for a loan

[Vrej1915]

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INTERVIEW: 'TURKS AND ARMENIANS SHOULD ESCAPE VICIOUS CIRCLE OF ASSERTION AND DENIAL'

Hurriyet Daily News, Turkey
April 13 2015

William Armstrong

Pope Francis' remarks over the weekend put the question of the fate
of the Ottoman Armenians back under the international spotlight,
ahead of the official centennial commemorations of 1915. April 24
will be especially strained this year, after Turkey rearranged the
international Gallipoli campaign remembrance service to coincide with
the genocide commemorations in the Armenian capital Yerevan on the
same day - just the latest example of the narrative war still raging
over 1915.

Stepping onto this minefield is Carnegie Endowment scholar Thomas de
Waal, whose new book "Great Catastrophe: Armenians and Turks in the
Shadow of Genocide" (reviewed here last week) examines the last 100
years of bitterness, violence and missed opportunities between the
two sides.

De Waal spoke to the Hurriyet Daily News about his work and the
prospects for the future of ties between Ankara and Yerevan - as well
as between ordinary Turks and Armenians on the ground.

Let's start broadly. What in particular did you want to achieve when
you set out to write this book?

My original intention was to write a book about the last 20 years,
during which a lot has changed in Turkey and in Armenian-Turkish
relations. But I quickly realized it would be impossible to do
that without looking at the whole aftermath of 1915 - in particular
looking at how what Armenians called the "Meds Yeghern," or "Great
Catastrophe," came to be known as the "Armenian Genocide." The
story is about how the word genocide has come to define the issue of
what happened in 1915, even though the term postdated the events by
30 years.

It seemed to me that there was a gap in the literature for an
"Armenian/Turkish book" that would look at how what happened to the
Armenians in 1915 was reconceptualized through the generations, and
why it's still such a live political issue today. Of course there is
a literature already out there, but I thought there was plenty still
to explore.

What in particular did you learn over the course of the research? What
did you realize about the issue that you weren't aware of before
starting out?

I had worked in the Caucasus for more than 20 years. I had spent a
lot of time in Armenia and the issue of 1915 looms over the Armenians
in the region a bit like Mount Ararat looming over the horizon in
Yerevan. But I'd always been put off tackling the issue because of
the intense politics around it. But when I talked to elderly Armenians
suddenly it was like a lightbulb going on, and the human story really
struck me. There was an awful human story there - the worst atrocity
of the First World War - but it has been overlaid by so much politics
that it's hard to get back to the human story.

I should make something clear about the "g-word." I started out
fairly agnostically about whether I would use the term, but pretty
soon I realized that it was right to do so. I also met many people
in Turkey who now use it. The term is very problematic, politicized,
and not very helpful in many ways, but I made the decision that I'd
rather be on the side of those who use the phrase "Armenian Genocide"
than on the side of those who don't.

Another fascinating thing was going to eastern Turkey, particularly the
Kurdish parts of the country, and discovering just how long memories
are in that part of the world. People remember everything.

Maybe they put a spin on it, but they remember the essential facts.

What happened to the Armenians is known among ordinary people in the
region where it happened. I had a number of extraordinary encounters
with some Armenians there, people who had Armenian relatives,
who were ready to talk about the history of their families. There
are many Islamized Armenians - people who have Muslim names but
Armenian origins. So the history is still alive and a lot of people
with Armenian roots are still there on the ground, coming out of
the shadows.

You talk about how it wasn't until the 1960s that the angry public
debate over the term Armenian Genocide really developed. Could you
go into a little detail about how this happened?

The term "genocide" was invented in the 1940s by Raphael Lemkin,
chiefly with reference to the Holocaust but also with reference to
other mass atrocities, including what happened to the Armenians in
1915. There was a moment of great humanitarian consensus of "Never
Again" at the end of the Second World War, and in that spirit the
United Nations adopted the Genocide Convention in 1948. The convention
is on the prevention of future genocides, it's a forward-looking
convention rather than a backward-looking one. But unfortunately
the word was already getting politicized as the Cold War began. The
United States and the Soviet Union threw the term back and forth at
each other, cheapening it. I quote a speech in 1955 by Herbert Lehman,
who was the Senator from New York, to an Armenian national Independence
Day commemoration, in which he said: "The Armenians are a victim of
genocide by the Soviet Union." It was the Cold War and Lehman used the
word "genocide" in reference to the Armenians and the Soviet Union,
without mentioning the Turks, which is extraordinary.

What's more, in the 1960s we see the rise of identity politics,
the civil rights movement, and the conception that it is OK to be a
victim. Younger Armenians were also looking for a rallying point for
their own identity. And there was the 50th anniversary of 1915. All of
that comes together at the same time. So 1965 is the point at which
it becomes a public issue again, and the "Meds Yeghern" became the
"Armenian Genocide."

Throughout this time in Turkey there was basically a narrative of
silence. The Armenian issue was completely suppressed. Only one
book was published on it in more than 40 years. The Armenians were
forgotten. Maybe on the folk level there was a kind of prejudice,
but that's just about it. What reawakened Turkish public consciousness
about the issue was the wave of Armenian terrorism in the 1970s, from
young radical Armenians of ASALA [the Armenian Secret Army for the
Liberation of Armenia] based in Beirut, some of whom were actually
inspired by the Palestinians. Innocent people died, but another
unfortunate effect was that it led to a new Turkish counter-narrative.

If anything this counter-narrative was much more radical than the
simple Turkish narrative of the 1920s about the Armenians as traitors
and enemies. From that point on there was a cycle of assertion
and denial, in very black and white terms, which had an incredibly
negative effect for good history of what happened. It made assertion
and denial of genocide the two core positions, and everyone was asked
to take one side or the other. This was not very helpful.

One of the most fascinating sections of the book was about secret
official talks for Turkish-Armenian rapprochement in Zurich in 1977,
which actually took place at the start of the ASALA campaign. Most
people will have no idea that these talks even took place. Could you
go into detail about what was behind them, and whether they ever had
any prospect of success?

That is a fascinating episode and a really unfortunate missed
opportunity. The elderly foreign minister of Turkey, İhsan Sabri
Caglayangil, reached out to diaspora Armenians and set up these
secret talks, which eventually took place in Zurich between himself
and the leaders of the three diaspora political parties. It was
quite a courageous step. They met for a whole morning in Zurich, but
unfortunately they were talking past each other. For Caglayangil the
main issue was the terrorism and whether the Armenian leaders could
use their influence to stop it. The Armenians wanted to talk about
1915, about justice, and even raised the issue of territories. So the
two sides were making impossible demands on each other. They had an
interesting and spirited conversation but unfortunately Caglayangil was
reshuffled a few months later. He had actually warned the Armenians
that he was an old man and his successor may not be as ready to talk
to them as he was. He was quite right.

In Turkey nobody knew about this meeting. It was written about in a
few Armenian memoirs, so there were a few Armenian sources in which
I could read about it. I was also able to track down a man called
Oktay Aksoy, who was the Turkish foreign minister's aide in 1977. He
is retired and still living in Ankara, and is the only person of the
five in the room during the meeting who is still alive today. I was
able to track him down and went to see him in Ankara. He said, "Ah I
was wondering when someone would ask me about that meeting all those
years ago," and recalled what he knew for me. This was confirmation
from the Turkish side that this meeting had indeed taken place.

One of the major causes of the breakdown of those talks was the issue
of territorial reparations. This is still a major cause of Turkish
defensiveness today, with the Turks paranoid that recognizing the
genocide will trigger territorial demands from the Armenians.

In the book I quote Hrant Dink, who for me was an oracle on this
issue. He said, "Both the Armenians and the Turks have clinical
conditions. For the Armenians it's trauma, for the Turks it's
paranoia." For me that really encapsulates the issue. When it comes
to Turkish paranoia, clearly there is this "Sevres syndrome" going
back to the 1920s, which is the idea that the Armenians are just the
advance guard of the Great Powers who want to break up Turkey and
make territorial claims on it.

But I don't think this is a serious issue. I think it's really an
issue in the psyche of the Turkish state and the Dashnaktsutyun Party,
the Armenian nationalist party that makes these claims. I don't think
anyone else seriously believes it is possible. If we're talking about
territory, there has not been a recognizable Armenian state in that
part of the world for more than a thousand years; Armenian rulers were
essentially proxy rulers for bigger empires. I also don't think legal
reparations would be easy to prove. There are a lot of Armenians who
know the house that their family came from in eastern Turkey, and even
have documents, but in the First World War millions of people were
displaced in this part of the world: Armenians of course, but also
Muslims - Kurds, Turks, Azerbaijanis. If you're talking about legal
claims or property claims it should really be a level playing field.

You're basically talking about relitigating the whole of the First
World War, which I think is impossible.

In the last 10 years there has been considerable progress in the
civil sphere between the two sides. If diplomatic progress is made
in the coming years, would it be right to say it will be the result
of civil and academic initiatives?

There are two things to talk about here. On the high political level
of relations between Ankara and Yerevan, everything is still stuck.

The failure of the protocols process in 2010 made things worse.

There's also the whole Azerbaijan factor, which is still very strong.

Azerbaijan has a lot of influence in Turkey and it has successfully
exercised a veto on the normalization of relations between Turkey
and Armenia. This hasn't actually been to the benefit of Azerbaijan,
but that's the position Baku has taken. Unfortunately, I don't foresee
any progress on that front any time soon.

When it comes to the societies and the more general historical trend,
I think we can be more optimistic. Turkey has changed a lot over the
last 10 or 15 years. Many Armenians are going back to Turkey to visit,
Armenian cultural monuments are now being recognized, histories are
being written, and a lot of good Turkish historians and scholars are
writing well about this issue. The genie is out of the bottle and
denial is no longer possible. Up to 2 million Armenians "went missing"
from Anatolia during the First World War; it's no longer possible to
deny that. Turkey is beginning to face up to that black period in its
history, like many other countries have done with their own history.

But it's a long process and it's only just beginning. It is mainly
concentrated in two social groups in Turkey: The urban middle class
in Istanbul and other cities, and the Kurdish areas of the country,
where for their own political reasons the Kurds have moved a long
way on this issue. They have restored the Armenian Apostolic church
in Diyarbakır and apologized to the Armenians.

Overall it will be long and uneven, but the process of Turkey owning
up to the dark pages of its past, like other countries, has begun. The
biggest of those crimes is the one committed against the Armenians.

So you would say that you're optimistic about the future?

Generally, yes. Obviously we also have to say that Armenia itself
is unfortunately a rather closed post-Soviet society, without many
democratic instincts. So the constituency there who want to reach
out to Turks is not as big as it could be. As someone who wants
this process to work I'm still frustrated, but surely there's no
turning back.

Ahead of April 24 this year, the centenary commemorations are going
to be much more visible. What direction do you think events will take?

It is frustrating to see two steps forward and one step back. Last
year, then Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan issued a landmark statement
of condolences to the Armenians. As far as many Armenians are concerned
it was a bit wishy-washy, but it was actually very significant as it
was the first time a Turkish leader had ever expressed condolences
and regret.

Unfortunately, maybe in the context of Turkey's upcoming elections,
Erdogan then made a retrograde step this year by scheduling the
international Gallipoli commemorations on April 24, to deliberately
clash with the commemorations in Yerevan. In the past, the two dates
when Gallipoli was commemorated were March 18 and April 25, so there
was absolutely no reason to change it to April 24 this year. This
has set up a rather ugly clash of narratives. Both the Armenian
and the Turkish side will be watching who goes to Yerevan and who
goes to Gallipoli. Everyone will also be watching what Barack Obama
says in his April 24 message, though personally I wish people would
focus more on the Turkey-Armenia bilateral relationship, rather than
looking to the United States. Unfortunately, April 24 is going to be
very awkward this year.

April/13/2015

[ninetoyadome]

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Morons...

Azerbaijani police confiscate Armenian commander Andranik’s photo from Baku pub signboard discovering it after two years

The famous Armenian commander – one of the key figures of the Armenian national liberation movement of the late 19th- early 20th centuries – Andranik Ozanian’s photos were emblazoned on the signboard at the entrance of the restaurant Montinburg in Baku, as well as in the pub Starapraga at the same address. The manager and the employees of the food outlets unanimously claim they had no idea that the photo depicted the Armenian commander as they had confused him with Petr Montin, the founder of the first distillery in Azerbaijan. Soon the police arrived at the site and confiscated all the photos depicting Andranik Ozanian, Azerbaijani media report.

Azerbaijani media outlet 1news.az writes that the Azerbaijani journalist Vugar Seidov had just the other day posted a photo of a Baku pub on his Facebook profile. The Armenian commander Andranik Ozanian’s photo was emblazoned on the lantern at the entrance of the pub. As it turned out, the photo was depicted not only on the lanterns at the entrance of the pub but also inside the restaurant itself.

According to the article, the restaurant manager, introducing himself as Ramin, said the photo was already in the restaurant when they bought it from the previous owners. The manager added that it was written under the photo that it was Petr Montin hence the reason they did not change it.

The Azerbaijani media outlet Vesti.az adds that in response to their correspondent’s astonished question “Well, whom have you hanged at your entrance?” the waiter of the Azerbaijani restaurant answered also astonished that he saw nothing strange as it was not Andranik’s photo but Montin’s.

Soon the Interior Ministry of Azerbaijan’s officials arrived at the site and demanded that the food outlet urgently changed the signboards. As a result, the employees immediately removed Andranik Ozanian’s photo from the restaurant signboard that had been hanging there for almost two years.

http://www.aysor.am/en/news/2015/04/...o-years/932711

Voskanapat had talked about it a couple of days earlier.

As General Andranik scared Baku (UPDATED)

Joint efforts of journalists, police officers and employees of MES, Azerbaijan coped with photos General Andranik Ozanyan (or, yet Peter Montin?). Panic in Baku can go into decline. However, there are questions to which answers can sleep deprived people in the capital of Azerbaijan. For example, how did it glorified the Armenian General Andranik more than two years to be in Baku? And again, not because there, in Baku explode at home, fail the road, and the enraged residents of the city cut each other with axes that resides in the capital of Azerbaijan conspiratorial group of associates Andranik.

But be that as it may, it must be admitted that a photo of General Andranik in Baku managed. Or was it Peter Montini?


In Baku this morning, there was a panic. Living in Budapest, the largest political scientist and historian of Azerbaijan Seidov found that the sign bakisnkogo restaurant Montinburg captured photo Armenian General Andranik Ozanyan.

The very Andranik that killed thousands of Turkish askers saved tens of thousands of Armenian children.

The very Andranik, at the mention of whose name askernya indulges in a panic to escape.

The very Andranik that victoriously entered Armenian Nahidzhdevan.

The very Andranik, which Caucasian Turks dared to write silly stories only after tens of years after his death

Errors can not be. Andranik recognized, as has been said, the best analyst of Azerbaijan, is aptly described education as "getveranhana", and its capital - Baku, as slop pail.

It is this insightful political analyst and historian discovered General Andranik in Baku at the address: ul. Arif Geydarova 23.

Baku journalists, huddled together in a flock of frightened, ran into Montinburg, verify the presence of the city's famous executioner Turkish askerni. How Anatolian and Transcaucasian.

However, the restaurant staff were trained people. "This is - not Andranik, and Montigny," - they said, and showed ... another photo, now posted at the entrance of the restaurant.

Journalists were forced to retreat. Similarly, as once before Andranik Turkish askers. And just as the LCD, as the descendants of those broken Askerov Azerbaijani journalists decided to snap from afar: "We hope that after our publication, restaurant owners Montinburg hastily fix an annoying bug and will replace the photo on the sign at the present Montin." Then, pretty thought, Azerbaijani heroes virtual front decided to err: "While there may be we are wrong, and the picture is really one of the members of the family who founded the factory" Montigny ". But that was such a similarity? "

http://voskanapat.info/?p=10951

[Federate]

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Morons...

Azerbaijani police confiscate Armenian commander Andranik’s photo from Baku pub signboard discovering it after two years

The famous Armenian commander – one of the key figures of the Armenian national liberation movement of the late 19th- early 20th centuries – Andranik Ozanian’s photos were emblazoned on the signboard at the entrance of the restaurant Montinburg in Baku, as well as in the pub Starapraga at the same address. The manager and the employees of the food outlets unanimously claim they had no idea that the photo depicted the Armenian commander as they had confused him with Petr Montin, the founder of the first distillery in Azerbaijan. Soon the police arrived at the site and confiscated all the photos depicting Andranik Ozanian, Azerbaijani media report.

Azerbaijani media outlet 1news.az writes that the Azerbaijani journalist Vugar Seidov had just the other day posted a photo of a Baku pub on his Facebook profile. The Armenian commander Andranik Ozanian’s photo was emblazoned on the lantern at the entrance of the pub. As it turned out, the photo was depicted not only on the lanterns at the entrance of the pub but also inside the restaurant itself.

According to the article, the restaurant manager, introducing himself as Ramin, said the photo was already in the restaurant when they bought it from the previous owners. The manager added that it was written under the photo that it was Petr Montin hence the reason they did not change it.

The Azerbaijani media outlet Vesti.az adds that in response to their correspondent’s astonished question “Well, whom have you hanged at your entrance?” the waiter of the Azerbaijani restaurant answered also astonished that he saw nothing strange as it was not Andranik’s photo but Montin’s.

Soon the Interior Ministry of Azerbaijan’s officials arrived at the site and demanded that the food outlet urgently changed the signboards. As a result, the employees immediately removed Andranik Ozanian’s photo from the restaurant signboard that had been hanging there for almost two years.

http://www.aysor.am/en/news/2015/04/09/Azerbaijani-police-confiscate-Armenian-commander-Andranik%E2%80%99s-photo-from-Baku-pub-signboard-discovering-it-after-two-years/932711

[ninetoyadome]

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WOW! I wonder how much the azeris paid for this piece of bs.

Unfortunately he is not the only one: David Jaffe, Alexander Murinson, Raoul Lowery Contreras and Maxime Gauin .

azeri govt has paid millions to have all of this BS posted to demean Armenia. The xxxish authors have done nothing but spew azeri BS about Armenia being anti-Semitic, without posting any sources. They keep claiming Dro and Nzdeh were anti-Semitic. There source? Nothing. They keep saying how Armenians fought with the Germans and ignore that the azeris and turks did the same. They make up ridiculous facts like: Dro personally took part in the annihilation of thousands of xxxs. Quoting an azeri by saying: In his “Death Tango” book, the late Azerbaijani historian Rovshan Mustafayev provides a lot of evidence of the Armenian units` involvement in genocide of xxxs, particularly a report of sonderkommando “Dromedar” about the operation in Western Crimea. “From November 16 to December 15, 1941, some 17,645 xxxs, 2,504 Karaims, 824 Gypsies and 212 partisans were executed. Simferopol, Eupatoria, Alushta, Karasubazar, Kerch, Feodosia and other regions of Western Crimea were cleaned of xxxs,” Rovshan Mustafayev notes in his book.

This guy is pathetic.

[Haykakan]

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Israeli expert Arye Gut: Armenia immortalizes – at a state level – fascists and anti-Semites who participated in annihilation of European xxxry

26.03.2015 [21:52]

Baku, March 26, AZERTAC



Several months ago English-language xxxish newspaper in America “Algemeiner” published an article headlined “Anti-Semitism in Armenia” by Israeli expert in international relations Arye Gut. In his article, Mr Gut wrote that “anti-Semitism in Armenia is an unfortunate and little-acknowledged fact”. “Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the country`s xxxish minority and xxxish heritage—the products of a more tolerant time—have shrunk dramatically. The end of Soviet rule removed constraint, and anti-Semitic attacks rose dramatically. That band Armenia`s ongoing economic collapse, drive the xxxs of Armenia to flee the country. And the cultural violence has continued. Anti-Semitic books are published and TV programs aired, and the Holocaust memorial in the capital of Yerevan has been repeatedly defaced. Of course, many countries have suffered such unfortunate incidents, the product of an ignorant populace. But in Armenia such views have been espoused even by mainstream politicians and media personalities,” Mr Gut said in his article.

A couple of days ago former Armenian Prime Minister Hrant Bagratyan submitted a draft resolution recognizing the Holocaust to the country`s legislative body. In explanation of his move, he told the media: “Some say that we should not recognize the Holocaust unless Israel recognizes ‘the genocide of Armenians”. It is a vivid evidence of the fact that anti-Semitism in Armenia exists at a state level. Although the entire world community recognized, right after the Nurnberg process, the Holocaust as genocide of European xxxry, Armenia is not going to do it, and even demands that Israel recognize the so-called Armenian genocide. In Europe alone, German fascism annihilated six million xxxs only because they were xxxs; but Armenians became victims of the policy of Tsarist Russia which promised to establish a state for them in the territory of the Ottoman Empire. “Acclaimed scholar Moshe Bekker rightly said that Armenians cannot accept the reality that the Catastrophe of European xxxry is recognized worldwide, while the so-called Armenian genocide faces regular failures,” said Mr Gut.

How can we talk about the absence of anti-Semitism in Armenia if Romen Episkoposyan`s “The National System” book was presented in Russian and Armenian languages at Yerevan Writers` House several years ago. The so-called head of the xxxish community in Armenia Rimma Varzhapetyan, instead of defending the honor and dignity of xxxish people and memory of six million xxxs killed by fascists, then said that “this book is meant to be an instrument, which will help start building a certain national system”. A logical question to the head of the so-called xxxish community arises: if she really considers herself a representative of the xxxish people, how can she agree with this ardent anti-Semite and Armenian chauvinist Romen Episkoposyan, who groundlessly declared that the Holocaust is a myth? Obviously she is so much busy with lying and giving false evidence that she forgot the words of famous xxxish public figure Simon Wiesenthal, who wrote that “xxxs must effectively remember the Holocaust, and for every xxx and xxxry it must become a certain turning point in xxxish history, where recurrences of Nazism and denial of the Holocaust are inadmissible”. But what is Ms Varzhapetyan doing? She is defending neo-Nazis and anti-Semites only because they are Armenians.

One should mention remarks of acclaimed scholar of the Human Rights Institute of the Azerbaijan National Academy of Sciences Moses Bekker who said that it was Rimma Varzhapetyan who emphasized – in her “Anti-Semitism in Armenia” work several years ago – the fact that Armenian history textbooks and mass media glorify the activist of “Dashnaktsutyun” organization, famous Armenian anti-Semite Dramastamat Kanayan, aka “Dro”. It should be mentioned that during the World War II general Dro personally took part in the annihilation of thousands of xxxs. And according to Ms Varzhapetyan, the current leadership of the country needs this “fighter” for freedom of Armenia, ardent anti-Semite and fascist as a symbol for justifying their expansionism plans and upbringing the younger generation in the spirit of hatred against other nations. Ms Varzhapetyan does not consider the glorification of the fascist, the man who was personally involved in the annihilation of xxxs in the Armenian history textbooks as anti-Semitism. Is she ready, being a xxx, to justify the activity of the Nazi criminals only because they are Armenians?

According to Arye Gut, the history has never forgotten the cruelty of a 20,000-strong Armenian legion as part of the Wehrmacht in the WW II. “The aim of the Armenian legion led by nationalist commander Dro (who personally participated in the annihilation of thousands of xxxs) was to persecute and annihilate xxxs and others disliked by the German army. At the same time, the Armenian legion organized death marches at concentration camps. In his “Death Tango” book, the late Azerbaijani historian Rovshan Mustafayev provides a lot of evidence of the Armenian units` involvement in genocide of xxxs, particularly a report of sonderkommando “Dromedar” about the operation in Western Crimea. “From November 16 to December 15, 1941, some 17,645 xxxs, 2,504 Karaims, 824 Gypsies and 212 partisans were executed. Simferopol, Eupatoria, Alushta, Karasubazar, Kerch, Feodosia and other regions of Western Crimea were cleaned of xxxs,” Rovshan Mustafayev notes in his book.

According to Sergey Veremeyev, a strong cult is today created around Dro and Nzhdeh in Armenia, which is considered a close ally of Russia. In honor of them, they mint coins, shoot feature and documentary films. A square is named after Garegin Nzhdeh in the Armenian capital. “Let`s underline: a cult cannot be created by some marginal political groups – it is the government that stands behind these acts. After the establishment of the Academy of CSTO in Armenia the institute of national strategic researches after Drastamat Kanayan under Armenian Ministry of Defense expressed its intention to cooperate with the new body,” Veremeyev says. “I think this is the limit when the institute of national strategic researches under the Ministry of Defense of Armenia is called after a fascist and anti-Semite who killed more than 30,000 xxxs. Austrian historian Erich Feigl wrote in his book that in December, 1942, Dro visited Himmler. “Dro had a practice and experience of killing without any compassion, and this strongly impressed Himmler,” he wrote.

Interestingly official Moscow always strongly objected the attempts to rehabilitate fascists and their accomplices. But what causes great concern today is that many media and the cultural space of Russia can provide a channel to present these fascists as national heroes. It is enough to remember the interview of the Ambassador of the Republic of Armenia, which was published in the “Literaturnaya gazeta” on December 17, 2014. He literally said: “Outstanding hero of our people Garegin Nzhdeh believed that ‘the main law of life is a struggle as a method of self-perfection of personality, society and state. This struggle is manifested in the striving for progress of the country and nation.”

Previously in 2013, a film about Garegin Nzhdeh was premiered in a solemn ceremony in Moscow. We often hear that official Moscow accuses Baltic states and Ukraine of attempts to rehabilitate fascists, but they turn a blind eye to Armenian fascists Dro and Nzhdeh, which is inadmissible and impossible. This is disgraceful and shameful in relation to veterans when Russia is going to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the Victory in the WW II.”

“I believe that it is the successors of the Armenian general Dro in the person of incumbent president Serzh Sargsyan and minister Seyran Ohanyan who committed a bloody massacre in the Azerbaijani town of Khojaly in late 20th century. Suffice it to remember Serzh Sargsyan`s words that ‘before Khojaly, the Azerbaijanis thought that the Armenians were people who could not raise their hand against the civilian population. We were able to break that stereotype’. And this really demonstrates that Serzh Sargsyan and his entire clan in the government of Armenia are genuine and worthy successors of Dro and Nzhdeh. The bloody act of genocide which was committed with incredible brutality and barbarism in Khojaly is one of the horrible tragedies of the late 20th century. Cruel and merciless scenes of that massacre will always remain a never-healing scar in the heart of Azerbaijan. This is already a historical fact that the Armenian armed forces and units of mercenaries in fact didn`t spare life of any Khojaly resident who failed to leave the town and its suburbs in time. As a result of brutality of the Armenian armed units 613 people were killed, 487 wounded, 1275 civilians, including elders, children and women were taken hostage and subjected to unprecedented tortures, insults and humiliation. This tragedy is an act of evil against entire humanity,” Arye Gut underlined.

“So one should not be surprised at the fact that most of the xxxish population of Armenia either left the country or marry Armenians in order not to attract additional attention. Unfortunately, the government of Armenia is doing almost nothing to prevent the growing anti-Semitism in the country. Several hundreds of xxxs who now remain in Armenia will continue to suffer unless Armenia quits its policy of limited nationalism and stops accusing foreigners of their own economic and political problems,” Arye Gut summarized.


This guy is pathetic.

WOW! I wonder how much the azeris paid for this piece of bs.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Israeli expert Arye Gut: Armenia immortalizes – at a state level – fascists and anti-Semites who participated in annihilation of European xxxry

26.03.2015 [21:52]

Baku, March 26, AZERTAC

Several months ago English-language xxxish newspaper in America “Algemeiner” published an article headlined “Anti-Semitism in Armenia” by Israeli expert in international relations Arye Gut. In his article, Mr Gut wrote that “anti-Semitism in Armenia is an unfortunate and little-acknowledged fact”. “Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the country`s xxxish minority and xxxish heritage—the products of a more tolerant time—have shrunk dramatically. The end of Soviet rule removed constraint, and anti-Semitic attacks rose dramatically. That band Armenia`s ongoing economic collapse, drive the xxxs of Armenia to flee the country. And the cultural violence has continued. Anti-Semitic books are published and TV programs aired, and the Holocaust memorial in the capital of Yerevan has been repeatedly defaced. Of course, many countries have suffered such unfortunate incidents, the product of an ignorant populace. But in Armenia such views have been espoused even by mainstream politicians and media personalities,” Mr Gut said in his article.

A couple of days ago former Armenian Prime Minister Hrant Bagratyan submitted a draft resolution recognizing the Holocaust to the country`s legislative body. In explanation of his move, he told the media: “Some say that we should not recognize the Holocaust unless Israel recognizes ‘the genocide of Armenians”. It is a vivid evidence of the fact that anti-Semitism in Armenia exists at a state level. Although the entire world community recognized, right after the Nurnberg process, the Holocaust as genocide of European xxxry, Armenia is not going to do it, and even demands that Israel recognize the so-called Armenian genocide. In Europe alone, German fascism annihilated six million xxxs only because they were xxxs; but Armenians became victims of the policy of Tsarist Russia which promised to establish a state for them in the territory of the Ottoman Empire. “Acclaimed scholar Moshe Bekker rightly said that Armenians cannot accept the reality that the Catastrophe of European xxxry is recognized worldwide, while the so-called Armenian genocide faces regular failures,” said Mr Gut.

How can we talk about the absence of anti-Semitism in Armenia if Romen Episkoposyan`s “The National System” book was presented in Russian and Armenian languages at Yerevan Writers` House several years ago. The so-called head of the xxxish community in Armenia Rimma Varzhapetyan, instead of defending the honor and dignity of xxxish people and memory of six million xxxs killed by fascists, then said that “this book is meant to be an instrument, which will help start building a certain national system”. A logical question to the head of the so-called xxxish community arises: if she really considers herself a representative of the xxxish people, how can she agree with this ardent anti-Semite and Armenian chauvinist Romen Episkoposyan, who groundlessly declared that the Holocaust is a myth? Obviously she is so much busy with lying and giving false evidence that she forgot the words of famous xxxish public figure Simon Wiesenthal, who wrote that “xxxs must effectively remember the Holocaust, and for every xxx and xxxry it must become a certain turning point in xxxish history, where recurrences of Nazism and denial of the Holocaust are inadmissible”. But what is Ms Varzhapetyan doing? She is defending neo-Nazis and anti-Semites only because they are Armenians.

One should mention remarks of acclaimed scholar of the Human Rights Institute of the Azerbaijan National Academy of Sciences Moses Bekker who said that it was Rimma Varzhapetyan who emphasized – in her “Anti-Semitism in Armenia” work several years ago – the fact that Armenian history textbooks and mass media glorify the activist of “Dashnaktsutyun” organization, famous Armenian anti-Semite Dramastamat Kanayan, aka “Dro”. It should be mentioned that during the World War II general Dro personally took part in the annihilation of thousands of xxxs. And according to Ms Varzhapetyan, the current leadership of the country needs this “fighter” for freedom of Armenia, ardent anti-Semite and fascist as a symbol for justifying their expansionism plans and upbringing the younger generation in the spirit of hatred against other nations. Ms Varzhapetyan does not consider the glorification of the fascist, the man who was personally involved in the annihilation of xxxs in the Armenian history textbooks as anti-Semitism. Is she ready, being a xxx, to justify the activity of the Nazi criminals only because they are Armenians?

According to Arye Gut, the history has never forgotten the cruelty of a 20,000-strong Armenian legion as part of the Wehrmacht in the WW II. “The aim of the Armenian legion led by nationalist commander Dro (who personally participated in the annihilation of thousands of xxxs) was to persecute and annihilate xxxs and others disliked by the German army. At the same time, the Armenian legion organized death marches at concentration camps. In his “Death Tango” book, the late Azerbaijani historian Rovshan Mustafayev provides a lot of evidence of the Armenian units` involvement in genocide of xxxs, particularly a report of sonderkommando “Dromedar” about the operation in Western Crimea. “From November 16 to December 15, 1941, some 17,645 xxxs, 2,504 Karaims, 824 Gypsies and 212 partisans were executed. Simferopol, Eupatoria, Alushta, Karasubazar, Kerch, Feodosia and other regions of Western Crimea were cleaned of xxxs,” Rovshan Mustafayev notes in his book.

According to Sergey Veremeyev, a strong cult is today created around Dro and Nzhdeh in Armenia, which is considered a close ally of Russia. In honor of them, they mint coins, shoot feature and documentary films. A square is named after Garegin Nzhdeh in the Armenian capital. “Let`s underline: a cult cannot be created by some marginal political groups – it is the government that stands behind these acts. After the establishment of the Academy of CSTO in Armenia the institute of national strategic researches after Drastamat Kanayan under Armenian Ministry of Defense expressed its intention to cooperate with the new body,” Veremeyev says. “I think this is the limit when the institute of national strategic researches under the Ministry of Defense of Armenia is called after a fascist and anti-Semite who killed more than 30,000 xxxs. Austrian historian Erich Feigl wrote in his book that in December, 1942, Dro visited Himmler. “Dro had a practice and experience of killing without any compassion, and this strongly impressed Himmler,” he wrote.

Interestingly official Moscow always strongly objected the attempts to rehabilitate fascists and their accomplices. But what causes great concern today is that many media and the cultural space of Russia can provide a channel to present these fascists as national heroes. It is enough to remember the interview of the Ambassador of the Republic of Armenia, which was published in the “Literaturnaya gazeta” on December 17, 2014. He literally said: “Outstanding hero of our people Garegin Nzhdeh believed that ‘the main law of life is a struggle as a method of self-perfection of personality, society and state. This struggle is manifested in the striving for progress of the country and nation.”

Previously in 2013, a film about Garegin Nzhdeh was premiered in a solemn ceremony in Moscow. We often hear that official Moscow accuses Baltic states and Ukraine of attempts to rehabilitate fascists, but they turn a blind eye to Armenian fascists Dro and Nzhdeh, which is inadmissible and impossible. This is disgraceful and shameful in relation to veterans when Russia is going to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the Victory in the WW II.”

“I believe that it is the successors of the Armenian general Dro in the person of incumbent president Serzh Sargsyan and minister Seyran Ohanyan who committed a bloody massacre in the Azerbaijani town of Khojaly in late 20th century. Suffice it to remember Serzh Sargsyan`s words that ‘before Khojaly, the Azerbaijanis thought that the Armenians were people who could not raise their hand against the civilian population. We were able to break that stereotype’. And this really demonstrates that Serzh Sargsyan and his entire clan in the government of Armenia are genuine and worthy successors of Dro and Nzhdeh. The bloody act of genocide which was committed with incredible brutality and barbarism in Khojaly is one of the horrible tragedies of the late 20th century. Cruel and merciless scenes of that massacre will always remain a never-healing scar in the heart of Azerbaijan. This is already a historical fact that the Armenian armed forces and units of mercenaries in fact didn`t spare life of any Khojaly resident who failed to leave the town and its suburbs in time. As a result of brutality of the Armenian armed units 613 people were killed, 487 wounded, 1275 civilians, including elders, children and women were taken hostage and subjected to unprecedented tortures, insults and humiliation. This tragedy is an act of evil against entire humanity,” Arye Gut underlined.

“So one should not be surprised at the fact that most of the xxxish population of Armenia either left the country or marry Armenians in order not to attract additional attention. Unfortunately, the government of Armenia is doing almost nothing to prevent the growing anti-Semitism in the country. Several hundreds of xxxs who now remain in Armenia will continue to suffer unless Armenia quits its policy of limited nationalism and stops accusing foreigners of their own economic and political problems,” Arye Gut summarized.


This guy is pathetic.