Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[arakeretzig]

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Either through Georgia or Azerbaijan, a border needs to be created. I prefer the former, though, because the population is at least Christian.

They maybe Christian but they don't like us, which amounts to the same thing.

Don't see why Iran would have a problem with Armenian-controlled Nakhchivan. They tacitly recognize our claims, as there is an Armenian-dominated sector of Isfahan called "New Dzugha." But then again, Iran was against a possible Armenian takeover in '93....[

Iran likes the current status quo, they don't want a war on their borders and refugees flooding.

[davidoga]

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They maybe Christian but they don't like us, which amounts to the same thing.

Still...Armenia is a Christian country and Georgians would be more tolerable then Azeris....

Iran likes the current status quo, they don't want a war on their borders and refugees flooding.

But that doesn't mean that they are prepared to do anything about it. Iran really doesn't need more enemies, especially since this would effect Russia. And since when does Iran pass up an oppurtunity to mess with Azerbaijan? Relations between them have changed for the worst in last 20 years.

[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[ArmeniaSacra]

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Well yes...that's what I said. Russia will take the initiative by forcing its way through Georgia (at which point it would be relatively easy to convince them that a border is necessary).

Another interesting idea I have heard is to offer Russia a military base in NKR. I know it sounds far-fetched at this point, but I don't think that in the long-run Russia prioritizes anything over maintaining influence in the Caucasus. Even the mere gesture of such an offer would do much to help Armenia, coupled with the fact that Azerbaijan is becoming an annoyance to Russia with their Western tendencies and Gabala issue.

I don't think this idea is that far fetched. It's actually really executable IMHO. I think this is what's going to happen eventually as a result of both possible scenarios in NK.

1. Azerbaijan attacks...Armenia repels the attack...Russia intervenes and Russian "Peacekeepers deploy in NKR"
2. The peace process advances...Armenia starts asking for guarantees that Azerbaijan will not attack NK proper in case of possible Armenian withdrawal from certain regions...thus Russian "peacekeepers" will be deployed in NK proper

And if NK becomes a recognized republic as a result of any scenario, the Russian presence would be legitimized by intergovernmental agreements that would make Russia the guarantor of NKR independence

The questions are:

1. How will the battles on the ground end? and in what position will we be after the new war?
2. In case of a possible peace process do we trust Russia enough to rely on it as a preventive force against an Azeri attack in return for our withdrawal from the regions?

Please do not give me that nationalistic views of "we're not withdrawing", "we will reach Baku", "we will capture Ankara"...this is politics, and unfortunately in politics there is no place for nationalism. Despite the fact that I myself would agree that we shouldn't give a grain of sand back because these are our historic lands...but not everything is as we want it in certain cases.

I think these are 2 very interesting questions that our leadership should be discussing right now...Cheers

[burjuin]

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Armenian peacekeepers leave for Afghanistan

August 02, 2012 | 11:52

YEREVAN.- A new unit of Armenian peacekeepers is leaving for Afghanistan on Thursday.

Commander of the unit, Major General Arthur Simonyan told Armenian News-NEWS.am that 61 peacekeepers will conduct operation not in Mazari Sharif, but in camp Mike Spann where they will defend the checkpoint and the neighboring area.

There are 122 Armenian peacekeepers in Afghanistan. Sixty-one of out of them are conducting peacekeeping mission in Konduz airport, another 61 were defending Mazari Sharif airport and the military bas. Now they are transported to Mike Spann. The Armenian troops are conducting mission under the German command.

http://news.am/eng/news/115686.html

[burjuin]

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[davidoga]

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I don't think this idea is that far fetched. It's actually really executable IMHO. I think this is what's going to happen eventually as a result of both possible scenarios in NK.

1. Azerbaijan attacks...Armenia repels the attack...Russia intervenes and Russian "Peacekeepers deploy in NKR"
2. The peace process advances...Armenia starts asking for guarantees that Azerbaijan will not attack NK proper in case of possible Armenian withdrawal from certain regions...thus Russian "peacekeepers" will be deployed in NK proper

And if NK becomes a recognized republic as a result of any scenario, the Russian presence would be legitimized by intergovernmental agreements that would make Russia the guarantor of NKR independence

The questions are:

1. How will the battles on the ground end? and in what position will we be after the new war?
2. In case of a possible peace process do we trust Russia enough to rely on it as a preventive force against an Azeri attack in return for our withdrawal from the regions?

Please do not give me that nationalistic views of "we're not withdrawing", "we will reach Baku", "we will capture Ankara"...this is politics, and unfortunately in politics there is no place for nationalism. Despite the fact that I myself would agree that we shouldn't give a grain of sand back because these are our historic lands...but not everything is as we want it in certain cases.

I think these are 2 very interesting questions that our leadership should be discussing right now...Cheers

Well, I think that because of OSCE, Russia can not make any unilateral decisions (meaning that Russia cannot just arbitrarily deploy peacekeepers). Although if there is an attack, it would be safe to say that extra peacekeeping measures will be taken. If this happens and Russians deploy peacekeepers, NKR will be safe from Azeri aggression forever.

TBH, the status quo is ideal for an independent Artsakh. Each time it has elections, the notion of democracy is strengthened.

Armenia has no choice but to trust Russia.

[Vardan]

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Azerbaijani soldier commits suicide


[ 02 Aug 2012 19:32 ]
Baku – APA. Azerbaijani Army lost one more soldier. According to APA, the incident took place at the Defense Ministry’s “N” military unit in Nakhchivan.

The soldier of the National Army Ismayil Rafig Ibayev, 19, killed himself shooting with his duty weapon in his head.

Press service of the Defense Ministry confirmed this fact to APA. The investigation is underway.

Ismayil Ibayev was drafted by the military commissariat of Jabrayil region.

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=176568

[haydavid]

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What's happening in azerbaijan ? Everyone is killing himself :s

If this go on we don't need war , we just need to wait and they will all blow themself