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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    Give an Armanen enough rope (or enough time to make some posts) and he is bound to hang himself.

    This map shows the border between Russian and Turkish territories duringthe 19th century. The thick black line shows the border before the treaty of Berlin (1878, when Turkey lost Kars). The border at Igdir remained the same after the treaty. The "strip" is clearly shown, and is part of Russian territory, NOT Persia. The map is on page 176 of "An Historical Atlas of Armenia" by Robert Hewson.

    There some half dozen other maps in the same atlas that show the same feature within Russian territory. Case closed.

    Listen anus, you were shown better maps than what you provided, and they showed that there was not a border prior to the 30s. You, being an overgrown child, could not admit that you were wrong.

    NOW CASE CLOSED
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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
      Listen anus, you were shown better maps than what you provided, and they showed that there was not a border prior to the 30s. You, being an overgrown child, could not admit that you were wrong.

      NOW CASE CLOSED
      So many pathetic Armenians and their laughable "historic facts". Rather than face the truth, they prefer peering at a tiny 1:4,000,000 map in a 19th century child's general atlas rather than reading what is the definitive work on the historical geography of Armenia (written by the acknowledged experts in the field). At least most Turks secretly know the "historical facts" they are told are true aren't true ... and a growing number are prepared to say it.
      Last edited by bell-the-cat; 10-23-2009, 06:23 PM.
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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by Catharsis View Post


        These were the borders of Eastern Armenia (including Kars and Ardahan provinces) before the 1921 Treaty of Kars, which was never affirmed by independent Armenia.
        And even one of Catharsis' small-scale maps shows it!
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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
          So many pathetic Armenians and their laughable "historic facts". Rather than face the truth, they prefer peering at a tiny 1:4,000,000 map in a 19th century child's general atlas rather than reading what is the definitive work on the historical geography of Armenia (written by the acknowledged experts in the field). At least most Turks secretly know the "historical facts" they are told are true aren't true ... and a growing number are prepared to say it.
          Bell, when they wrote the definition of the word insanity I am disappointed they didn't include xxxxxing about how genocide denying historians from Istanbul make better maps than the rest of the world.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            The border between the OTTOMAN Empire (not Turkey) and Imperial RUSSIA (Armenia didn't exist) was always moving back and forth...what the hell are you two arguing about? the existence of a map doesn't mean that the governments recognized it...if it were so, I'd grab a globe and a crayon and go to town on that fukker.
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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
              So you are saying I'm a liar - you pathetic little kid? But it is the level of this place. Not to mention your absolute inability to know that a four million scale map DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING! I'll leave you happy in your ignorance, and full of your false "historical truths".
              Listen you little puke, I know now playing stupid is your forte, but just think that the information here is not for you, but for those people that have a little of a sound mind. Got it?
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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                Give an Armanen enough rope (or enough time to make some posts) and he is bound to hang himself.

                This map shows the border between Russian and Turkish territories duringthe 19th century. The thick black line shows the border before the treaty of Berlin (1878, when Turkey lost Kars). The border at Igdir remained the same after the treaty. The "strip" is clearly shown, and is part of Russian territory, NOT Persia. The map is on page 176 of "An Historical Atlas of Armenia" by Robert Hewson.

                There some half dozen other maps in the same atlas that show the same feature within Russian territory. Case closed.
                No it is not, because you again FAILED to provide a map from THAT ERA like I have several from the 19th and early 20th centuries, but wait they are "amateurish" right? You only put a modern rendition, and if anything it can be claimed as "amateurish" since the author has failed to take in account the 9 km. strip transfer. Remember? You were the one who insisted the map has to be from that time. I can show you hundreds of modern maps (like the first one) without the strip clearly lying in Persia, but you will call those "amateurish." So do you have an actual contemporary map or no?
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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  This source says:
                  To legalize the situation, on January 23, 1932, Turkey and Iran signed an agreement in which Turkey gained certain Iranian territories around Mount Ararat and Iran received other territories around Van.
                  This one says:

                  Even in the Ataturk era, Turkey had distinct interest in Azerbaijan. When the Turkish-Iranian borders were set in 1932, Turkey made sure that it maintained a tiny piece of land contiguous to the Armenian-controlled but Azeri-populated Autonomous Republic of Nakhichevan.
                  Plenty of sources here (little snippets can be seen in the few lines) that suggest that something went down definitely about that corridor to Nakhichevan between Iran and Turkey.
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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                    So many pathetic Armenians and their laughable "historic facts". Rather than face the truth, they prefer peering at a tiny 1:4,000,000 map in a 19th century child's general atlas rather than reading what is the definitive work on the historical geography of Armenia (written by the acknowledged experts in the field). At least most Turks secretly know the "historical facts" they are told are true aren't true ... and a growing number are prepared to say it.
                    Right, you did better with your black and white graphic which sure is a "historical" - being a rendition from sometime in the late 20th century (?). So there you have it. You have been called on to provide an AUTHENTIC (contemporary) map from that time, I have several which have clearly shown the demarcation YOU HAVE PROVIDE NO HISTORICALLY FACTUAL MAP. NONE. Yet you keep bringing up scales that NONE of your maps even come close to reflect.
                    Last edited by Catharsis; 10-23-2009, 08:22 PM.
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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Federate View Post
                      This source says:


                      This one says:



                      Plenty of sources here (little snippets can be seen in the few lines) that suggest that something went down definitely about that corridor to Nakhichevan between Iran and Turkey.
                      Thank you very much Federate for the sources. I read it in several of diplomatic publications from the time about the land transfers, but was not able to find it online, really appreciate it.

                      Apparently, someone for some reason (who calls Nakhichevan by its Turkic distorted variant) wants to desperately "prove" that Turkey always had a land link with Nakhichevan.
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