Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Eddo211]

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The term "Dead duck" may be an exageration, but it does not necessary mean that the aircraft will be destroyed. It could mean its mission will be jeopardized. A more common term is "mission kill".
In other words, the attacking aircraft will be confronted with air defense batteries forcing it to take evasive maneuvers (to avoid the incoming surface to air missiles) and either miss its intended target or abort the mission entirely.
The role of anti aircraft defenses is often misunderstood. Its main purpose is to prevent the friendly forces and civilian assets from being bombed, if the enemy aircraft is shot down in the process, that is a bonus.

To illustrate things further, let us have a good look at the air defense units over Artsakh as per the map I posted.

In contrast to Armenia proper, Artsakh does not have startegically important targets to be bombed. Over there, the main mission of our air defenses will be to make sure that our army on the ground does not get hit from the air. That's why our defense units in that area are equipped with very mobile air defense systems that will constantly move with the army. Our troops will have an umbrella over them.

The Azeris do have the airplanes but they lack the sophisticated stand-off precision weapons to attack targets from a long distance. They also lack in air defense suppression measures. They will have to fly over Artsakh and bomb our troops either from high altitude or from low. That is why the bulk of our AD assets in Artsakh consist of the very mobile long range (70km) KRUG (SA-4) for high altitude and the short range (10km) OSA (SA-8) for lower altitude defense. For point defense we have the IGLA and STRELA shoulder carried MANPADS as well as the SHILKA mobile anti-air artillery.
Any Azeri aircraft that comes close will be engaged, harassed and shot at.

Having said all that, there is no such thing as an invincible and unpenetratable shield.
The Russians will not sell anything in advanced missiles and electronics to the Azerbaijanis. Ukraine's leftover (from Soviet times) precision guided weaponry are passed expiry date. That leaves Turkey and Israel as possible candidates to provide the Azeris with such systems... ZORAVAR will be keeping an eye on such developments.

This is the bottom line I wanted to get to.
Where a Russian pilot will probably abandon his mission and hightail it back……the Armenian pilot will continue with the evasive maneuvers to target and accomplish his mission without becoming a liability.

Great post ZORAVAR, you sure know your stuff...............keep us updated Bud.

[burjuin]

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Parade of a Victory 9.V.2007, Stepanakert, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

[burjuin]

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Parade of a Victory 9.V.2007, Stepanakert, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic:

[AlphaPapa]

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It would probably really tick them off if Serge just went to Artsakh for the fun of it and while he was there said "Here's another time".

Better yet, do it on
December 31, and let him dance to some traditional music, so that video could be all over youtube

[burjuin]

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Serzh Sargsyan celebrates New Year on the frontline. December 31, 2008.

[AlphaPapa]

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Serzh Sargsyan celebrates New Year on the frontline. December 31, 2008.

I'm going to share those photos with Azeri blogs and tell them they are from December 31, THIS YEAR

[Karapapak]

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To Zoravar.

Mig-29s purchased from Ukraine were newly refurbished. Longer range, twice More fuel, ECM, and the R-73 "Archer" missile. Among others, new processor, new radio, GPS navigator and little monitor in kokpit.

Its really funny how you try to talk - about Azerbaijan while talking about opportunities Armenia certainly hasn't.

Azebraijans airforce would make airshows over Yerevan, doubtlessly.

[Karapapak]

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Zoravar.

Leting aside airforce, talking about ground forces.

Take some time and watch Azerbaijans last summer large scale excersises. Based on an offensive blitzkrieg scenario.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WQ9qfR7Muc

You can find the second part there.

Here is the "mixed" version, short version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjwf_xEbRLc&feature=related

Smerch-30, 2S7 Pion, advanced Israeli UAVs, Su-24MR, Su-25 "Skorpion", Mi-24, Grads, Lynx multiple rocket systems, 2S3, BMP3, BTR-80A, T-72B and much more.

[Karapapak]

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In USD, that's 290,072,403.63 million as opposed to last year which was 339,281,114.96 million.

Bad news for ya, Azerbaijan allocated more 1.5 billion USD to its military, wich last year was 2.5 billion.

[Karapapak]

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airdefence is verry important.

our su25 pilots will fly with the Migs if its neseccery.
but we got also many Armenian pilots in Erebuni airbase.(mi helicopters, paratroop aircrafts)

Mig29 are pure to fight with other aircrafts in the air.
and its good to suport the Su-25 in the air.
but if they are in the range of the airdefence. than its over for tham

but i don't think azerbaijan want to lose aircrafts for nothing + risk the pilots


http://www.armtown.com/news/en/yer/20070216/29176/

What are you smoking?

Azerbaijan has nearly 50 Mig-29s, wich is better then the Russian ones based on the Erebuni base. Yep, if you think Russia based its late Mig-29s there, you are mistaken.

BTW, who said that they will be used against Azerbaijan?

I think you mistakely wrote Azerbaijan there and meant Armenia would not want to lose aircrafts for nothing + pilots. I don't see how Armenia could use its only air weapon, Su-25s by any chance in air.