Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

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102nd military base of the Russian Armed Forces in Gyumri, Armenia

[Odysseus]

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nah i dont think its soviet made things, i was think its 6b26 some nato helmet, but its not even that, maybe our own made??

I doubt that it is a 6b26, which is a Russian helmet. And I doubt Armenia produces its own helmets, They lack the military industry and with the abundance of soviet steel pots they can strap to their heads at little or no cost to the government, it wouldn't be a priority to produce them. Plus The helmets are probably used to protect from shrapnel and debris from an Azerbaijani attack on Armenian trenches rather than make the head bullet proof in full on combat, so no need to dish out big money and make helmets. Here is a picture of a 6b26 http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/a...etandarmor.jpg http://www.flamber.ru/files/photos/1...19688771_f.jpg as you can see it's shape is different from the ones you had in the picture, this has a bump for ear protection, and the location of the rivets are different. But I dont doubt Armenia has a few Kevlar helmets. My local surplus store has some police Kevlar helmets for 70 dollars, so i am sure they can afford to buy a few thousand. Now mind you these aren't up to par with the military grade ones I wore but they still offer good protection from the actual impact of a bullet, A steel helmet might stop a bullet if you are lucky, but your skull can still crack from the force of the helmet smashing into your head.

[haydavid]

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[burjuin]

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102nd military base of the Russian Armed Forces in Gyumri, Armenia

[Vahram]

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Some of you guys are so out in left field that you have no sense of place or time let alone reality.

Aryans are a people, you happen to be of this genotype. Who told you to use some idiots account of who an Aryan is? Why would you follow what Hitler that idiot said and not use common sense? Why after fighting this long and hard do we so easily follow the myth of some madman instead of a real facts?

Some of you are so lost in your own hype that your illiteracy comes out shining the sun. Not only that but to use this as a basis for you neoliberal ideas, and arguments that have no basis in reality. Bravo for nocking your heritage down the drain, all this time with toorks trying so hard to wipe out your very name. It was hard for them yet you do it so easily.

Bravo, Bravo a round of applause is in order. Some of you idiots might actually smile in thinking this round of applause is congratulation , it is not, it is simply another one of your misconceptions.

[Federate]

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Some of you guys are so out in left field that you have no sense of place or time let alone reality.

Aryans are a people, you happen to be of this genotype. Who told you to use some idiots account of who an Aryan is? Why would you follow what Hitler that idiot said and not use common sense? Why after fighting this long and hard do we so easily follow the myth of some madman instead of a real facts?

Some of you are so lost in your own hype that your illiteracy comes out shining the sun. Not only that but to use this as a basis for you neoliberal ideas, and arguments that have no basis in reality. Bravo for nocking your heritage down the drain, all this time with toorks trying so hard to wipe out your very name. It was hard for them yet you do it so easily.

Bravo, Bravo a round of applause is in order. Some of you idiots might actually smile in thinking this round of applause is congratulation , it is not, it is simply another one of your misconceptions.

I said let's get back on topic. And please don't call other people names, focus on the post and not the poster. Here's a thread on Armenians being white or not that these Aryan discussions can continue in: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....rmenians-white

[Vahram]

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Federate, ok thank you. But it is important I feel to state facts, especially with so much emotions! At least if people are going to have a feeling let them base it some reality, not a madman's version of it. Sadly we are not only fighting wars in the traditional sense, but one on every front, from our history to misconceptions that some of us have, to the old lady they just killed in toorkia. So long as the nation is this twisted up I felt it important to say one additional word about the subject. Not even our graves are safe from toorks, yet we are so ready to do the same.

If we don't wise up, between each other and facts on the ground we are going to loose what little is left. Neoliberalism did not win Artakh back, some of us forget that. And it was only won back. It was not because Armenians did not want to live, but the toorks wanted to finish the job. These same Neoliberals that hail from countries that can't even say the G.

Sorry for saying as much.

Getze Hayastan

[Hakob]

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http://www.1tv.am/hy/14-01-13---Viewpoint

[Sarkis86]

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Here is a documentary produced by Armenian state television about the Great Armenian military leader and Nationalist thinker Garegin Njteh, which a former member of this forum sent me via email. It is an interesting look into the early days during the foundation of the Armenian fighting forces.

I particularly enjoyed the scene near the end, where after having seen only footage of the Armenian irregular fighters which Njteh commanded, we see a portion of the Hero's remains being given a proper burial by officers of the professional Armed Forces of the today's Republic of Armenia. Enjoy:

PS does anyone know of similar documentaries, maybe on other leaders such as General Andranik, Dro, etc.?

[davidoga]

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Armenia Slow to Pass Conscientious Objection Law

Armenia’s government appears to be dragging its feet over changing the rules for military conscription, a year after a pan-European court ruled that Jehovah’s Witnesses had been mistreated as conscientious objectors.

In November 2011, the European Court of Human Rights, ECHR, ruled that Armenia should pay compensation to 17 men who were detained and wrongly accused of desertion.

In 2005, the men withdrew from a civilian service scheme intended to give committed pacifists like Jehovah’s Witnesses an alternative to mandatory conscription. Civilian service had been launched the previous year as part of Armenia’s obligations as a Council of Europe member.

The men were assigned civilian work in schools, hospitals and elsewhere, but left six months later when they realised they were actually under military command, something that went against their absolute commitment to pacifism.

“We were told this was civilian service, but it turned out to be military after all,” said Hayk Khachatryan, one of the 17 men who were arrested, held in detention for months and charged with desertion.

The ECHR found that since Armenia had no legislation that made it a crime to withdraw from alternative service, detaining and charging the men was unlawful.

In response to the ruling, the Armenian government acknowledged that military control of civilian service was a problem, and began drafting changes to the law in March 2012.

The amendments now being proposed would differentiate between “alternative military service” and “alternative labour service” – the latter structured to rule out any military involvement, so that the most committed of conscientious objectors could take part.

Alternative military service would last 30 months, and alternative labour service 36 months, as opposed to the standard two years served by conscript soldiers.

Ten months on, it is unclear when the draft amendments will be completed by the justice ministry committee tasked with producing them.

Artur Ispiryan, who works for the legal department of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, said, “The first version of the bill said that regional governors would oversee alternative service… but that point was removed. At the moment, it isn’t clear what this will be replaced with, but it’s essential that supervision is exclusively civilian in nature. That isn’t just what we want; it’s an international standard.”

According to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, around 30 of their members are currently in jail for refusing to perform military service. Courts in Armenia are currently reviewing 25 cases, so further convictions are possible.

Several dozen Jehovah’s Witnesses still have complaints pending at the ECHR, and the government has asked them to withdraw their cases while the law is changed.

Stepan Danielyan, head of the Cooperation for Democracy Centre, believes the government remains wary of changing the law, even though the ECHR ruling made it clear this was essential.

“The delay stems from the fact that the defence ministry and the government have no clear idea about what to do with the law,” Danielyan said. “They don’t want a conflict with the OSCE or with other international organisations. But on the other hand, passing the legal amendments could be risky because there are also other people who don’t want to do military service out of conviction.”

Alexander Amaryan heads the Centre for Assistance and Rehabilitation for Victims of Destructive Sects, which is hostile to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and he claims that conscription-age men join the group simply to get out of joining the army.

“For young people who don’t want to serve in the army, the easiest way of avoiding it is to join the Jehovah’s Witnesses,” he said.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses say they are happy to provide membership lists to show that this is not the case.

“It isn’t that easy to become a Jehovah’s Witness,” Ispiryan said in response to the allegation of fraudulent members. “There have been no cases of this.”

Trainee priests of the Armenian Apostolic Church, the country’s main faith group, are able to avoid conscription. But church spokesman Vahram Melikyan insisted that Apostolic Church clergy should not be compared with others who decided not to join the military.

In addition, he said, “There are cases where our students don’t take up their exemption and go off to serve in the army for two years, and then return to continue their [seminary] education.”

Avetik Ishkhanyan, head of the Armenian Helsinki Group, said the government should focus on real draft-dodgers. Official figures show that since 2002, about 10,000 people have avoided conscription, and only 444 of them were Jehovah’s Witnesses.

http://iwpr.net