Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Vahram]

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[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[Artashes]

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http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/50f7bb2b2.html

Like I said before, they are going to try a gas move first. Without the additional gas they can't win against NKR, so first is to secure the gas. If they manage to do something in this field, next on the firing line is us. They are loosing money and influence by the minute. Since they used this strategy they have to continue it otherwise it is a fail. Now you know why I was so happy to see Kazaks in l
To put this out, Russia is building a bigger navy in the Caspian. With the addition of a greater range of radar coverage from Armenia any outside forces of any kind can be spotted long before they assist Baboon forces.


It is important for us to get the long range radar built in Armenia. The Armenian Defense Minster stated it as well, but some of you are more concerned about my manners instead of the situation at hand! Lets forgo a radar so we can be blind, but for god's sakes don't be rude, we prefer to be blind instead!

--- important for us ( Armenia ) to get long range radar , Armenian defense minister stated it as well ---
Can yo show myself or anyone on this forum where the defense minister of Armenia said that ?
Joseph's post - number 1266 --- dwelling on "rumors" suggesting a similar station may be established in Armenia, Ohanian said --- the issue must be discussed by RA and Russian leadership , Armenia is not against it --- military expert Davit Jamalyan discribed possible construction of a new radar stationing

Armenia as ---unrealistic --- that post and words by RA leadership are only days old.
In my opinion both Ohanian and Jamalyan are working in coordination with each other.
For Ohanian to say " we are not against it " is not the same as saying " we want it ". For Jamalyan to say in the same article " it's unrealistic " while Ohanian says we aren't against it in my opinion is is -- one -- politicle statement.
The Ohanian statement says to Russia --- we are with you ( Russia ) in whatever decision you decide is best , we're your "true friend", while the Jamalyan statement is conveying to Russia --- we " understand " if you don't put it ( radar of that magnitude ) in Armenia.
My research shows the Daryal radar ( baku ) will never be built again. Time approx. a decade + cost plus virtual inability to swiftly redirect + incredible start up time has doomed them.
The " bmews" which is the new " Voronezh " ( 2 types , "m" & "dh" ) are as capable and are highly modular, more nimble and only takes approx. 3years to construct + easier shutdown, maintainence and restart.
Further more the Krasnador Voronezh radar is scheduled to start up this year ! That's already a done deal.
can you ( Vahram ) show myself or anyone else on this forum any words, or sentences, or paragraphs written by any club member that is speaking negatively about pitting a long range radar in Armenia ? Can you show myself or anyone else on this forum a post by any member of this forum that says they don't want a long range radar built in Armenia ?
My research is showing me at least 2 things --- Russia wanted to double the baku station capability by adding a Voronezh module to the existing Daryal system in place. This was only beneficial because the old and encredibly expensive Daryal system was already in place. ( But ) baboonieve insisted not only ownership of the facility -- but -- ownership of the equipment as well. Knot heads are dead in the water.
Vahram ***** stick to the topic **** your comments about my mother or any of my family members had and has absolutely no place in this conversation !!!
Do not speak of them again !!!!!!!!!
The points I have brought up here are of relevance to these radars and placement.
To repeat --- where does our defense minister say Armenia wants these particular radars ?? ( and ) where does any member say they don't want these radar ??

Artashes

[samvel1982]

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Very interesting .... near Stepanakert.....What's that? S-300 division???

[burjuin]

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NKR Defense Army
Special Forces

[Vahram]

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If Russia fails to agree with Azerbaijan lease of the Gabala missile defense radar, Armenia is ready to provide a site on its territory for construction of the radar, Kommersant daily reported on Wednesday, quoting Armenian Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan.

“There may even be advantages, because Aremenia is a mountainous country. Coverage can be broader,” Sargsyan said.

Armenian Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan told journalists that Yerevan is ready to consider the possibility of leasing its territory for the construction of an alternative radar installation to the Gabala RLS

Russia is interested in building a new facility. This means that after ending the use of the Gabala station, Russia will most likely build a new station in Armenia

wonder where the location will be for the new radar station.

[davidoga]

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where does any member say they don't want these radar ??

Well, to play devil's advocate, Armenia should not actively pursue such a radar on its territory. It would do nothing but contribute more to the vertical relationship between Russia and Armenia. Now, don't get me wrong, I think that Russia is Armenia's greatest ally and we should do much to strengthen ties. The Gyumri base, for example, is acceptable, as it brings benefit to both Russia and Armenia. However, a radar base only strengthens Russia's position in the Caspian and Middle East regions, which Armenia should not involve itself in.

Anything that brings tangible benefits to both nations is OK though. But we cannot allow Russia to treat Armenian territory as an extension of its own.

Also: I know this is not military related, but it may be the consequence of weakening Azerbaijani-Russian relations:

Azerbaijani-Russian trade turnover down 17.3% in 2012

January 21, 2013 - 21:22 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - Azerbaijani-Russian trade turnover fell 17.3 percent last year to $2.34 billion, Azerbaijan’s State Customs Committee said on Monday, Jan 21, according to RIA Novosti.
Azerbaijan’s exports to Russia dropped 19.2 percent (to $959,838,000), and its imports were down 16 percent ($1.38 billion). Azerbaijan’s negative trade balance was over $418 million in 2012, compared to $453.2 million in 2011. Russia accounted for 4.1 percent of Azerbaijan’s total export and 14.28 percent of its import in 2012.

[Haykakan]

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I disagree. I think such a radar system makes Armenia stronger strategicaly. The back n forth diplomavy between Russia and EU/USA has worked well for us but there was never any doubt about who our strategic partner is. A effective radar system on armenian soil will increase our strategic importance to the Russian Federation thus gueranteeing further frustration for the turks on both our borders. Deepening ties with Russia is a good thing.

Well, to play devil's advocate, Armenia should not actively pursue such a radar on its territory. It would do nothing but contribute more to the vertical relationship between Russia and Armenia. Now, don't get me wrong, I think that Russia is Armenia's greatest ally and we should do much to strengthen ties. The Gyumri base, for example, is acceptable, as it brings benefit to both Russia and Armenia. However, a radar base only strengthens Russia's position in the Caspian and Middle East regions, which Armenia should not involve itself in.

Anything that brings tangible benefits to both nations is OK though. But we cannot allow Russia to treat Armenian territory as an extension of its own.

Also: I know this is not military related, but it may be the consequence of weakening Azerbaijani-Russian relations:

[Hakob]

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Well, to play devil's advocate, Armenia should not actively pursue such a radar on its territory. It would do nothing but contribute more to the vertical relationship between Russia and Armenia. Now, don't get me wrong, I think that Russia is Armenia's greatest ally and we should do much to strengthen ties. The Gyumri base, for example, is acceptable, as it brings benefit to both Russia and Armenia. However, a radar base only strengthens Russia's position in the Caspian and Middle East regions, which Armenia should not involve itself in.

Anything that brings tangible benefits to both nations is OK though. But we cannot allow Russia to treat Armenian territory as an extension of its own.

Also: I know this is not military related, but it may be the consequence of weakening Azerbaijani-Russian relations:

Depending of negotiated deal it does not have to be vertical relationship. There is a fine thread here, to involve Russia in our country with deep investments and teritorial interests to counter neighboring countries influences and keeping Russian policies in our favor and maintaining the ability to maneuver independently.
More unified and organized Armenia from within and it's diaspora(especially Russian diaspora) are, the more room and opportunities will exist for such maneuvers.

[Sarkis86]

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I agree with Haykakan. The more Russia invests or has invested in Armenia, the better for Armenia because it will give Russia further reasons to ensure Armenia's survival. And especially with an immobile key piece of military infrastructure like this radar being discussed. Particularly as Russia's primary concern has always been to strengthen her capabilities in defending her vast territories, which necessitates advanced and far flung radars to foresee hostile activities as early as it can.

And we need more strategic foresight: strengthening Russia's position in the Caucasus, Caspian and Middle East is to our great benefit, as it automatically weakens turkish and azerbaijani positions there. turkey and azerbaijan are primitive and barbaric entities, they only understand the language of strength and weakness. Further, if turkey feels the Bear gaining strength in the Middle East it will increase turkish fears about meddling in Syrian affairs, which benefits Armenia-friendly Syria and the large and important Armenian community in Syria.