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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Latest statements from Bernard Fassier of the OSCE:


    Summary: Azeris will not win, Azeris should shut up, Artsakh should be directly involved in the process

    Azerbaijan not to win Karabakh war, MG co-chair
    Fri 12 March 2010 | 13:02 GMT Text size:


    Bernard Fassier
    Azerbaijan’s victory in the event of renewed war is impossible, French co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk Group Bernard Fassier said.

    Azerbaijan will not be able to win in the event of renewed hostilities in the area of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, French co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk Group Bernard Fassier said in Yerevan Friday.

    "Azerbaijan’s victory in the event of renewed war is impossible, because I know about the bravery of the Armenian and Karabakh warriors" Fassier said at the Rose Roth seminar of NATO Parliamentary Assembly.

    Fassier believes that the war will not bring benefits to Azerbaijan, because it will cause substantial harm to its financial interests and oil trade.

    The co-chair explained that international investors investing in the economy of Azerbaijan will not want to have their funds at risk and abandon investment. According to the French mediator, warlike statements are demonstrative.

    "The people must understand that the neighbors are doomed to live next to each other", said Fassier, stressing that the use of force and launching war are not the possible solutions to the Karabakh conflict.


    Bellicose statements pose threat to Karabakh settlement
    Fri 12 March 2010 | 10:56 GMT Text size:


    Bernard Fassier
    "Any bellicose will be dangerous for the peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflic."

    Any bellicose will be dangerous for the peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflict, French co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk Group Bernard Fassier told in Yerevan on the 73rd Rose Roth seminar of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly.

    "All the warlike statements are not only useless but also dangerous for the peace process. We are talking about peaceful coexistence between two peoples, but such statements hamper this”, Fassier said, responding to the question of the Armenian side about the threat posed by the warlike statements of Azerbaijan.

    The French co-chair also disapproved the latest statement by Azerbaijani Defense Minister Safar Abiyev, who said about the inevitability of a military solution to the Karabakh conflict and vowed to start a new "Great War in the South Caucasus”.

    The French mediator recalled the announcements of the Azerbaijani authorities that the Minister's statement is his personal opinion and he bores the direct responsibility for them.

    "We believe that the more parties will refrain from such statements, the better for the process", said Fassier.


    Karabakh involvement into negotiation process to promote conflict settlement
    Fri 12 March 2010 | 10:54 GMT Text size:


    Bernard Fassier
    "Sooner or later the Karabakh side will be involved in the settlement process, and the sooner this is done, the better".

    The soonest involvement of Karabakh in the negotiation process will help resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, said French co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk Group Bernard Fassier.

    "Sooner or later the Karabakh side will be involved in the settlement process, and the sooner this is done, the better", Fassier said Friday in Yerevan on 73rd Rose Roth seminar of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly.

    According to him, it is clear for intermediaries that Karabakh will finally become a party to the settlement process.

    At the same time Fassier said that it will happen at the end of negotiations, after the resolution of disputable issues, "after Armenians and Azerbaijanis find a way to live peacefully next door to each other, after the return of Azerbaijani population who lived in Karabakh before the war"

    The French co-chairman noted that the Karabakh side was in some way represented in the settlement process in the person of Robert Kocharian, who after his election as president of Armenia started to represent the positions of both Armenia and Karabakh.

    The French co-chairman, however, noted that the Karabakh side at some point and to some extent remained outside the negotiation process, and now to return to the once-existing format of negotiations, which involved Karabakh, there is a need for the consent of the parties - Armenia and Azerbaijan .
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      Summary: Karabakh never will be involved in the negotietions.

      OSCE MG French Co-Chair Bernard Fassier at March 12 NATO PA Rose-Roth seminar in Yerevan

      "According to him, speaking of Nagorno-Karabakh participation in the talks he does not mean Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, as it is not recognized by anyone. The aspiration of Karabakhi people to get involved in the talks that affect their vital interests is fair, but this might happen only when all Karabakh citizens including those living there before the conflict return to their places of residence."



      Last edited by Mukuch; 03-12-2010, 07:15 AM.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by AstalaVist View Post
        Կասեցվել է սահմանի խախտման հերթական փորձը
        Օրեր առաջ արձանագրվեց Հայաստանի սահմանը խախտելու ադրբեջանական կողմի հերթական դեպքը: Դիվերսիոն հետախուզական խումբը, որը Հայաստանի տարածք էր ներխուժել հետախուզական գործունեություն ծավալելու, տեղեկություններ հայթայթելու նպատակով, վնասազերծվել է: Ի դեպ, նմանատիպ խմբերը պարբերաբար զբաղվել են նաև անասնագողությամբ:

        Մարտի 3-ին, ժամը 01:30-ի սահմաններում Տավուշի մարզի Կոթի գյուղի տարածքում ՀՀ զինծառայողների կողմից բացահայտվել է Ադրբեջանի տարածքից ներթափանցած, քաղաքացիական հագուստով և դիվերսիոն խմբին հատուկ սպառազինությամբ հանդերձավորված 5 հոգուց բաղկացած խումբ:
        Գնահատելով իրավիճակը` մեր զինծառայողները նախազգուշական կրակ են բացել: Սկսվել է փոխհրաձգություն, ինչի հետևանքով հակառակորդի դիվերսիոն խմբի անդամներից մեկը վիրավորվել է և գերեվարվել: Վերջինս հիվանդանոց տեղափոխելու ճանապարհին մահացել է:
        Երկրորդ վիրավորված զինյալը և խմբի մնացած անդամները մթության պայմաններում կարողացել են փախչել Ադրբեջան:

        Իրականացված միջոցառումների արդյունքում ստացված օպերատիվ տեղեկությունները հաստատում են, որ ադրբեջանական կողմը պատրաստվում էր Հայաստանի տարածք ուղարկել ևս մի քանի հետախուզական խմբեր: Դրանց հնարավոր գործունեությունը խափանելու նպատակով ՀՀ ԶՈՒ հատուկ ստորաբաժանումների կողմից կազմակերպվել էր սահմանի տվյալ հատվածի պահպանության լրացուցիչ միջոցառումներ:

        Նույն օրը ավելի ուշ, ժամը 21-ի սահմաններում, Կոթի գյուղի մոտակայքում նկատվում է Ադրբեջանից ներթափանցած օպտիկական նշանառության սարքերով, ինքնաձիգներով զինված և սև գույնի քողարկիչ համազգեստով հանդերձավորված 3 հոգուց բաղկացած ևս մեկ խումբ, որը շարժվում է դեպի մոտակա անտառը:

        Դեպքերի վերլուծությունը ցույց է տալիս, որ այդ խումբը գործել է թիկունքից ապահովող մեկ այլ խմբի կրակային աջակցությամբ: Հայկական կողմի ձեռնարկած գործողությունների արդյունքում ադրբեջանցի զինյալները, կորուստներ կրելով, նահանջել են` չեզոք գոտում թողնելով երկու դիակ: Սպանված ադրբեջանցիներից մեկի դիակը մարտի 5-ի առավոտյան ժամը 6-ի սահմաններում չեզոք գոտուց տեղափոխվել է ՀՀ տարածք:

        Ընդհանուր առմամբ, մարտի 3-ին ձեռնարկված միջոցառումների արդյունքում սպանվել է Ադրբեջանի տարածքից ներթափանցած 3 զինյալ, որոնցից 2-ի դիակները գտնվում են Հայաստանում: Վիրավորվել է մեկ անձ` Իբրահիմ անունով, ում հաջողվել է հասնել Ադրբեջանի տարածք:

        Օպերատիվ ճանապարհով ճշտվել են նաև ադրբեջանական զինյալներից ևս մի քանիսի անունները` Վելիև Վալի, Նամազով Սագիֆ` Կյոսալար գյուղից, ոմն Նիզամի և Խագանի:

        Հայկական կողմում գտնվող 2 դիակներից մեկի` Հասանի բջջային հեռախոսի մեջ կան տարբեր տեսագրություններ` նահատակ-շահիդի թաղման արարողության, Ղազախի ներքին զորքերի ստորաբաժանումների հատուկ պատրաստության և ազանների` կրոնական արարողության, վերաբերյալ: Հասանի բջջային հեռախոսում կային նաև լուսանկարներ, որոնք, ըստ երևույթին, նրա հարազատներն են:

        Չի բացառվում, որ սպանված սահմանախախտները վահաբականության` ծայրահեղ արմատական իսլամիստական կազմակերպության ներկայացուցիչներ էին: Նրանց մոտ հայտնաբերված անձնական իրերն ու մարմնի տարբեր մասերում առկա դաջվածքները հիմք են տալիս ենթադրելու, որ նրանք առնչություն են ունեցել Ադրբեջանի հատուկ ծառայությունների հետ և անցել են հատուկ պատրաստություն:

        ՀՀ ՊՆ տեղեկատվության և հասարակայնության հետ կապերի վարչություն
        mil.am
        These islamists have been preoccupied a long time now fighting Americans in Afganistan. American success there means they are gona look for a fight they deem more winnable and this incident seems to be a good example of that. These ismalic fighters are way more dangerous then the regular azeri army, the islamists have lots of experience and no fear which make them ideal warriors. During the last war it was the islamists that were the best fighters on the opposition side and that is not going to change. The presence of these fighters and proof of their activities is a dangerous sighn that perhaps the azeris are themselves turning islamic, they have even started introducing legislation to get rid of russian suffixes in their last names and replace them with islamic ones.
        Hayastan or Bust.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
          These islamists have been preoccupied a long time now fighting Americans in Afganistan. American success there means they are gona look for a fight they deem more winnable and this incident seems to be a good example of that. These ismalic fighters are way more dangerous then the regular azeri army, the islamists have lots of experience and no fear which make them ideal warriors. During the last war it was the islamists that were the best fighters on the opposition side and that is not going to change. The presence of these fighters and proof of their activities is a dangerous sighn that perhaps the azeris are themselves turning islamic, they have even started introducing legislation to get rid of russian suffixes in their last names and replace them with islamic ones.
          Indeed they were our fiercest opposition during the war but even they were no match against us. They made some gains in Fizuli but that's it. There was a very interesting and probably the best in-depth analysis of the Mujaheddin's role during the war that I posted in this thread awhile back. Check it out here if you have not seen it http://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/w...rism/dt20-2008

          The suicide bomb and IEDs are the Mujaheddin's best tricks. As long as we keep the war a conventional one, we should be fine against those kind of attacks. We can do this by driving out every single Azeri from their homes along our path to gaining more land. In any case, we won't even need to do that cause they'll pack up and leave just like they did in the first war.
          Last edited by Federate; 03-12-2010, 03:10 PM.
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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by AstalaVist View Post
            Կասեցվել է սահմանի խախտման հերթական փորձը

            ...

            ՀՀ ՊՆ տեղեկատվության և հասարակայնության հետ կապերի վարչություն
            mil.am
            Here's the English version of Astalavist's post on today's attack.
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            Armenian armed forces neutralize Azeri subversive grouping

            12.03.2010 16:36 GMT+04:00

            /PanARMENIAN.Net/ An Azeri subversive grouping which attempted to penetrate into the Armenian territory was neutralized in Koty village of Tavush region of Armenia on March 3 night, 1.30 am.

            “The Armenian military detected a group of 5 people in civilian clothes and armed with special devices. A warning fire followed by a skirmish as result of which one of the Azeris was wounded and taken captive but died on the way to hospital. The others escaped to Azerbaijan. To prevent penetrations, the Armenian armed forces undertook extra security measures,” the Armenian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

            Earlier the day, another Azeri grouping was detected. 3 subversives, who acted under the artillery cover of their accomplices, were dressed in black and were armed with guns. Two of them were killed.

            The personal belongings and tattoos on the bodies of the subversives suggest that they served in Azerbaijan special forces and were members of Wahhabi movement.

            Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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              This incident is rather strange. This was not a recon mission they called in artillery support, it sounds too stupid to be a planned attack either, like who attacks with 3 people. The only thing that makes remotely any sense to me is that they are testing how, where and when we react.
              Hayastan or Bust.

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                Originally posted by Federate View Post
                Here's the English version of Astalavist's post on today's attack.
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                Armenian armed forces neutralize Azeri subversive grouping

                12.03.2010 16:36 GMT+04:00

                /PanARMENIAN.Net/ An Azeri subversive grouping which attempted to penetrate into the Armenian territory was neutralized in Koty village of Tavush region of Armenia on March 3 night, 1.30 am.

                “The Armenian military detected a group of 5 people in civilian clothes and armed with special devices. A warning fire followed by a skirmish as result of which one of the Azeris was wounded and taken captive but died on the way to hospital. The others escaped to Azerbaijan. To prevent penetrations, the Armenian armed forces undertook extra security measures,” the Armenian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

                Earlier the day, another Azeri grouping was detected. 3 subversives, who acted under the artillery cover of their accomplices, were dressed in black and were armed with guns. Two of them were killed.

                The personal belongings and tattoos on the bodies of the subversives suggest that they served in Azerbaijan special forces and were members of Wahhabi movement.

                http://panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=44100

                Nice!
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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Do our soldiers have night vision device?

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                    heres video.

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