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    Azerbaijan Should Be Very Afraid of Victoria Nuland
    By Andrew Korybko
    March 3, 2015

    [Andrew Korybko is the political analyst and journalist for Sputnik
    who currently lives and studies in Moscow, English version exclusively
    for ORIENTAL REVIEW.]


    The US' Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian
    Affairs, Victoria Nuland, visited Baku on 16 February as part of her
    trip to the Caucasus, which also saw her paying stops in Georgia and
    Armenia. While Azerbaijan has had positive relations with the US since
    independence, they've lately been complicated by Washington's
    `pro-democracy' rhetoric and subversive actions in the country.
    Nuland's visit, despite her warm words of friendship, must be look at
    with maximum suspicion, since it's not known what larger ulterior
    motives she represents on behalf of the US government.

    A Bad Omen

    Nuland is most infamously known for her `F**k the EU!' comment that
    was uncovered during a secretly recorded conversation with the
    American Ambassador in Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. The two were
    conspiring to build a new Ukrainian government even before
    democratically elected (but unpopular and corrupt) president Viktor
    Yanukovich was overthrown by the US-supported EuroMaidan coup. Nuland
    played a direct role in events, not only behind the scenes, but also
    on the streets, since she proudly handed out cookies and other
    foodstuffs to the `protesters' that would violently seize power just
    over two months later. Her role in the Ukrainian events forever marks
    her as an agent for US-supported regime change in the former Soviet
    sphere, and her visit anywhere in that space should be seen as the bad
    omen that it is.

    Like Husband, Like Wife

    Normally an individual's personal life doesn't have any bearing on
    their professional one, but in the case of Nuland, it's the opposite
    because her husband is the leading neo-conservative thinker Robert
    Kagan. He and his ilk are known for their expertise in exploiting
    foreign geography to maximize US power, regardless of the regional
    cost. Also, he previously referred to Azerbaijan in 2006 as a
    `dictatorship' and said the US will `pay the price' for dealing with
    it when responding to a user-submitted Q&A session with the Financial
    Times:

    `During the Cold War, both Europeans and Americans had to compromise
    with dictators around the world in order to weaken the Soviet Union
    and communism. What would be, in your view Mr Kagan, the new sort of
    compromises that the US government is willing to make to defeat
    terrorism? Corneliu, Bucharest

    Robert Kagan: Clearly we are making such kinds of compromises all over
    the place in the war on terrorism, although I must say I doubt they
    are proving very useful.

    We are turning a mostly blind eye to the Mubarak dictatorship in
    Egypt, despite much rhetoric to the contrary, as well in Saudi Arabia.
    We have been forgiving of the dictatorships in Azerbaijan and
    Kazakhstan. Nor have we been very critical of the Putin dictatorship
    in Russia, no matter how many people he assassinates.

    This is all largely in the service of the war on terror. During the
    Cold War I actually believed that we wrong to support so many
    dictators, for it often did not help but hurt in the struggle against
    communism, in addition to being a violation of the principles we were
    struggling to defend.

    I am equally unpersuaded today that our support for these
    dictatorships will help us fight terrorism, and once again we pay the
    price of moral and ideological inconsistency.'

    Given the ideological context in which Nuland likely sees eye-to-eye
    on with her husband, plus her experience in instigating the Color
    Revolution in Ukraine, it is not likely that she came to Baku with
    positive intentions, or even with a positive image of the country in
    her mind. This is all the more so due to the recent scandal over Radio
    Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

    Foreign Agent, Domestic Punishment

    The US-government-sponsored information agency was closed down at the
    end of December under accusations that it was operating as a foreign
    agent. While the US has harshly chided the Azeri government for this,
    at the end of the day, it remains the country's sovereign decision and
    right to handle suspected foreign agents as it sees fit. Azerbaijan's
    law is similar to Russia's, in that entities receiving foreign funds
    must register as foreign agents, and interestingly enough, both of
    these laws parallel the US' own 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act
    (FARA).

    So why does the US feel that it reserves the sole right to register
    foreign agents and entities, and if need be, identify and punish those
    that are acting in the country illegally, but Azerbaijan is deprived
    of this exercise of sovereignty? The reason is rather simple, actually
    ` it's the US that is the most likely to use these foreign agents to
    destabilize and potentially overthrow governments (as in Ukraine most
    recently), whereas Azeri agents in America, should they even exist,
    are nothing more than an administrative nuisance incapable of
    inflicting any real harm on the authorities. This double standard is
    at the core of the US' relations with all countries in the world, not
    just Azerbaijan, but it's a telling example of the power and leverage
    Washington attempts to hold over Baku, which is seen most visibly by
    the blistering criticism leveled on the government after Radio Free
    Europe/Radio Liberty's closing in compliance with the law.

    Duplicitous Games

    Even more concerning for Azerbaijan isn't the seditious game that the
    US and Nuland might be playing within the country, but the
    geopolitical one that they might be playing next door with Armenia.
    Although Washington says that it values Baku as a strategic and
    pragmatic partner, one needs to wonder to what extent a prosperous,
    neutral Azerbaijan is more important to the US than a destabilized one
    that could be used as a weapon against Russia. To put everything into
    context, take a look at the threat that then-Secretary of State
    Hillary Clinton issued towards Russia and the Eurasian Union back in
    December 2012:

    `There is a move to re-Sovietise the region, It's not going to be
    called that. It's going to be called a customs union, it will be
    called Eurasian Union and all of that, but let's make no mistake about
    it. We know what the goal is and we are trying to figure out effective
    ways to slow down or prevent it.'

    One year later, Ukraine, which could have been of immense value to the
    US and its geostrategy as a neutral, stable state, was in the middle
    of the US-supported EuroMaidan Color Revolution, showing that
    Washington will go to great and dramatic lengths to sacrifice its
    pragmatic interests for the sake of destabilizing Russia. So the
    question is, could the US also do the same in the Caucasus in order to
    simultaneously destabilize Russia from the southern flank while it's
    distracted in dealing with Ukraine?

    In Armenia Against Azerbaijan, The US Always Wins

    Armenia is arguably the weakest member of the Eurasian Union, and is
    thus the most prime for any external destabilization attempt. As the
    world has seen, the US will even go as far as instigating a war on
    Russia's borders (the Ukrainian Civil War) just to hamper its regional
    integration efforts in the west. Could it also try to instigate a new
    war in Nagorno-Karabakh, too, in order to facilitate this goal in the
    south? Azerbaijan doesn't know what matters Nuland discussed with
    Armenia behind closed doors, nor what convincing promises or
    irresistible threats she may have given Yerevan. The authorities can
    no longer be assured that Azerbaijan's enormous energy reserves
    guarantee it a safe place in the US' regional vision, especially
    considering the caustic language the US has used since the closing of
    Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. If America is successful in
    instigating a continuation war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over
    Nagorno-Karabakh, neither of the two states would emerge as the
    strategic victor, since it's the US that would ultimately triumph
    because it would have succeeded in destabilizing Russia at the entire
    Caucasus' expense.

    Walking A Tightrope

    Given the fact that Azerbaijan can no longer trust the US to not
    conspire against its internal or external affairs, it is necessary for
    the country to tweak its foreign policy in order to best safeguard its
    interests. This means that although Baku cannot outright reject
    Washington or forget the two-decades-long history of fruitful
    cooperation with it (nor should it), it must pragmatically reorient
    its policies to adapt to multipolarity. By this, it is meant that
    Azerbaijan should look to diversify its partners and foreign policy
    dealings, namely, in the direction of Russia and Iran, the two
    neighborly countries that would support its leadership against any
    US-inspired plot against it. Although there are certainly challenges
    existing in bilateral relations with Iran, this doesn't mean that they
    can't be overcome in the interests of preserving Azerbaijan's
    prosperity and protecting the country's overall population from any
    unwanted trans-Atlantic tinkering that could endanger it.

    Despite the fact that the US is most definitely interested in seeing
    Azeri energy power the EU, it is not yet known whether this objective
    of EU energy diversification is more important than the one of Russian
    destabilization. Under such circumstances, Azerbaijan must carefully
    walk a tightrope between the West (US/EU) on one hand, and the East
    (Russia/Iran) on the other, and if it is successful in delicately
    balancing between both worlds, then it can pivotally reap the
    resultant benefits thereof and propel its global prominence.


    The US’ Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, visited Baku on 16 February as part of her trip to the Caucasus, which also saw her paying stops in Georgia and Armenia. While Azerbaijan has had positive relations with the US since independence, they’ve lately been complicated by Washington’s ‘pro-democracy’ rhetoric …
    Hayastan or Bust.

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        Originally posted by UrMistake View Post
        I was wondering if i can buy some thermo goggles and send them to the famous armernian youtuber freelancer in the border post ,
        But those stuff are high priced 2000 euros for something good , all the other with 500 euro value are nothing .just with 50 meter top night view ... But the really good ones goes till 2 kilometers ...

        For me thermo cam are better ruther the Hollywood green night goggles ...also those ones get bloored in intense fire ...
        PS. the one eyed ones have the best usage for better tracking shooting ...


        If only just one of armenias oligarch ..lets say the Prime Minister with his 56 different businesses would buy 200-300 in bulk which will get the price downed ,distribute along the crucial border post for those infantrymen ....no need ..just maybe 2 or even one wich will get shared per post ...they would get replacement batteries and backups ones ...in every night shift they will pass the one to the next ...they know how to value such tools for saving their lifes ....

        Im amazed that no philanthropist didnt't thought of it ... Greece last year ..well the armenians of greece more properly gathered something like 35.000 euros for the panarmenian telethon ...why not use the amount for something that we know surely will help and SAVE LIFES ...
        I agree with the general idea. Regarding the telethone, well it is a humanitarian event broadcasted live on international media, you can't say we're collecting money to buy military equipment but at the same time request a 1-800 toll free number and free air time and request that donations are made tax exempt. Armeniafund is a humanitarian fund, it would be a game changer if it announces that it will use the funds for military purposes (despite the noble nature of your suggestion).

        However, I don't think we as Armenians (whether Armenia or the diaspora) are poor to an extent that we cannot afford to spend a few million dollars on proper night vision or thermal vision equipment. This is ridiculous! (as I said in my last post). This should be the easiest piece of military hardware to buy. It's not all that expensive, available from many suppliers and like you said, saves lives! I can't find an explanation for the incompetence of our defense ministry regarding this issue.

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          Originally posted by burjuin View Post
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          I really like the 3rd picture.
          Makes us look very aggressive lol

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              Originally posted by UrMistake View Post
              Gokorik , i dont see how its good for us , if u mean in the broader sense of csto alliance so i guess yes u are right

              But if this is going to be another yeah we will get supplies of older versions , my opinion is we need them if they are free to replace even older version of ours , or in other way we need smart usage of our human recourses , just like the old artillery howitzers thar take 6-9 people in total to operate just one ..so it would be better if we had motorized artillery that take 3 people rather than pay gas for the truck and use 5 more people with slower reacrional results and deployment. Also for the love of god intoduce GPS guidance systems .....


              I suggest this cause we are in tight position with few human power pool . not only we must concentrate towards our east turks and compet but definitely we must make leaps and reach to the turks of our west ... Not saying we are not doing good in fact we are doing excellent ..its just that the hard times need imagination and advances in order to achive our high goals.
              Its good for us because we can't afford to buy large enough quantities of the new defense material and its as simple as that.
              Even if you have equipment that requires less manpower to operate, they tend to be new, expensive and thus you would have less guns available to shoot. Yes you can have more soldiers available for infantry roles but I would argue that having more available artillery is more important.(even if its old) I agree with your view but I don't think the money exists in the government's budget.

              Even though the S-300 missile we would in theory get are old, there is plant being organized in Armenia to take these older missiles and replace perishable components and the rocket fuel so you could almost count them as old modernized missiles. They're going to take the 90km range S-300 missile and make it reach 150 km or something like that.
              Last edited by gokorik; 03-05-2015, 04:38 AM.

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                Originally posted by Ak105 View Post
                Is it it also for armenia?
                No, I was saying that since the Russians will be replacing their older S-300 batteries, in theory we would be receiving the older systems free or really cheap.

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                  Originally posted by UrMistake View Post
                  I was wondering if i can buy some thermo goggles and send them to the famous armernian youtuber freelancer in the border post ,
                  But those stuff are high priced 2000 euros for something good , all the other with 500 euro value are nothing .just with 50 meter top night view ... But the really good ones goes till 2 kilometers ...

                  For me thermo cam are better ruther the Hollywood green night goggles ...also those ones get bloored in intense fire ...
                  PS. the one eyed ones have the best usage for better tracking shooting ...


                  If only just one of armenias oligarch ..lets say the Prime Minister with his 56 different businesses would buy 200-300 in bulk which will get the price downed ,distribute along the crucial border post for those infantrymen ....no need ..just maybe 2 or even one wich will get shared per post ...they would get replacement batteries and backups ones ...in every night shift they will pass the one to the next ...they know how to value such tools for saving their lifes ....

                  Im amazed that no philanthropist didnt't thought of it ... Greece last year ..well the armenians of greece more properly gathered something like 35.000 euros for the panarmenian telethon ...why not use the amount for something that we know surely will help and SAVE LIFES ...
                  Originally posted by ArmeniaSacra View Post
                  I agree with the general idea. Regarding the telethone, well it is a humanitarian event broadcasted live on international media, you can't say we're collecting money to buy military equipment but at the same time request a 1-800 toll free number and free air time and request that donations are made tax exempt. Armeniafund is a humanitarian fund, it would be a game changer if it announces that it will use the funds for military purposes (despite the noble nature of your suggestion).

                  However, I don't think we as Armenians (whether Armenia or the diaspora) are poor to an extent that we cannot afford to spend a few million dollars on proper night vision or thermal vision equipment. This is ridiculous! (as I said in my last post). This should be the easiest piece of military hardware to buy. It's not all that expensive, available from many suppliers and like you said, saves lives! I can't find an explanation for the incompetence of our defense ministry regarding this issue.
                  If the money were to exist to buy high tech equipment like this, the biggest problem is getting around the export restrictions on military goods like these. Lets say if I were to buy one of these goggles and try to leave the U.S. it's a serious crime. They would throw me in prison for years. I would imagine the same for any European country.

                  I don't think thermals that can see out to 2km are less than $10,000 each. Plus after you have to pay the maintenance costs.
                  I agree it's unfortunate that there are so many wealthy Armenians and it seems no one helps the military. Who knows maybe there are some..

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                    Originally posted by gokorik View Post
                    If the money were to exist to buy high tech equipment like this, the biggest problem is getting around the export restrictions on military goods like these. Lets say if I were to buy one of these goggles and try to leave the U.S. it's a serious crime. They would throw me in prison for years. I would imagine the same for any European country.

                    I don't think thermals that can see out to 2km are less than $10,000 each. Plus after you have to pay the maintenance costs.
                    I agree it's unfortunate that there are so many wealthy Armenians and it seems no one helps the military. Who knows maybe there are some..
                    Yes i do understand that one public tele marathon cannot fund military hardware ..but i do not suggested such thing !
                    Im about some privet or institutional fund that will benefit such actions ...armenian organisation atc.

                    Im sure money can be gathered from various sources in the diaspora but also in the republic ... only if the will would exist for such thing .

                    About exporting i have to say 2 things .... it depends on the way u wanna make it a go ...u can make it public and announce the acquirement and export of such product ( im sure the manufacturer would get very much of reputation of its own products get used in real active zone ruther in hunting conditions ( exports will get high in the everest mountains) ) . Im sure armenia will not be in the banned for export countries ....

                    Second way will it be by giving it to the armenian embassy and they will push them via their diplomatic asylum into armenia or they will probably push some strings with senators or ministers and release official export papers.

                    Be sure though the armenian republic itself must have such production facilities and its gonna be totally unnecessary to import foreign made goggles ! I mean they make eyeballs and viewers for attack helicopters atc. the technology is already there ...

                    just look at those fine piece of arts http://www.x20.org/shop/energy-audit...thermal-scope/

                    you will get in love im sure .
                    The other way
                    Last edited by UrMistake; 03-05-2015, 05:36 AM.

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                      I think building a refurbishing factory to fix up old weapons is a great idea and I would bet that such places probably exist already and it may be more efficient funding these places then opening new ones. If we can find a legal means of getting the nightvision devices to Armenia then I can work on getting funds for this project. I think it is great that some of you are thinking about how to be helpful and I am very proud of you.
                      Hayastan or Bust.

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