Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Tigranakert]

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Or this one ;

Lithuanian official to write a book about genocide in Guba committed by Armenians
18 August 2010 [18:45] - Today.Az

“I will prepare a book about the facts of genocide committed by Armenians in Azerbaijan”, said adviser to the Lithuanian Ministry of Culture Imantos Meljanos during his visit to the Genocide Museum in Guba.

He said the book would keep materials about the genocide committed by Armenians in Guba in 1918. Copyrighted materials about the genocide will also be included in the book.

/APA/
URL: http://www.today.az/news/politics/72323.html

The funny part ofcourse is that Imantos Meljanos does not even exist.

[ninetoyadome]

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Yes, ofcourse, he cut the head off, he didn't even think of bringing the body with him (after all, he said the Armenians came a few hours later), but let him lie there on the ground... even though he knows there are dozens of pictures of our brother and national hero Monte Melkonian (rest in peace...).

WHY, WHY IS LYING SO DEEPLY ROOTED IN TURKS? The baboons are so stupid that they will believe anything. Can't we just be how they desrcibe us to be in a new war, just be ruthless and slaughter them all? It does not matter if we don't because they will say it nonetheless. These sub-humans do not deserve to breath the air we breath.

let them believe there idiotic lies.
there is actually video footage of Monte's death and he died the way Armenians said.

[gegev]

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The Arthakh war battle ground lambs/azeri are eager to fabricate something that makes them a little bit “heroic” in their barbarian opinion. This would be taken into account at the next meeting. If the "hero" wouldn’t die out of anticipated meeting fear.

[ninetoyadome]

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Minutes of the Russian base narrows the Armenian front
Publication of the draft Protocol on the Russian military base in Armenia has stirred a different caliber Azerbaijani politicians and commentators. Inundated the press of the State article on the Armenian-Russian relations endeavor to depict such utter bravado: Russian troops, despite any agreement to fight for Armenia will not. And here we are ... But even with Turkey. Some of the gifted Azerbaijani political scientists, referring to the spy scandal between Moscow and Bucharest, and Romania is already seen in their allies.

Hard to say, why is it suddenly decided to Azerbaijan, as if the Armenian state are counting on the fact that, if necessary, Russia will fight for us? The need for this as there was no, and no. Fight we ourselves can do, so much so that nobody does not seem little. Doubting suggest to ask on this matter from escaping from Artsakh minister and chief of staff, Defense of Azerbaijan. But the fact that Russia is ready to fight for their own interests, as indeed, and for the interests of the CSTO, I think, no one in Azerbaijan, and the world, no doubts. And it is Russia's willingness to allow us to concentrate on the enemy state. After the early ratification of changes made to the protocol, two proposals of which are fully convey their meaning.

So, the new wording of article 3 of the Protocol provides:

"The Russian military base during its stay in the territory of the Republic of Armenia but to exercise the functions to protect the interests of the Russian Federation jointly with the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia Republic of Armenia safety.

To achieve these objectives, the Russian side shall assist in providing the Republic of Armenia and compatible with modern weapons, military (special) equipment.

The above line means that in case of renewed Azerbaijani aggression against Nagorno Karabakh war with Azerbaijan, the line narrows to the limits of the border Nagorno Karabakh - Azerbaijan, because any attempt to "stretch" the front to the borders with Armenia, which inevitably will result in involvement in the hostilities of the Rapid Deployment of the CSTO. Thus, the presence in our country, the Russian military base "ensures the security of Armenia" frees up considerable Armenian forces and completely deprived of Azerbaijan and without illusory hopes of success in a possible military campaign. If you consider this and assist in providing the Republic of Armenia and compatible with modern weapons, "that fit in Azerbaijan can be understood.

Ensuring military security of Armenia equivalent guarantees victory NKR. I think even in Baku understands that the Armenian army is able to perform its tasks on the possible relocation of military operations deep controlled by Azerbaijan of Armenian territories. Not because of this I understand, incidentally, in Azerbaijan, from time to time "mean objective" NKR Defense Army - pipelines, gas pipelines, railway. Meanwhile, once again, in the case of Azerbaijan's aggression task NKR will be pipelines and their sources: gas and oil fields. Modern and "compatible" weapon will do it without any problems.

In fact, the bombing of pipelines nothing but irritation of the West, will not give: they can be restored in a fairly short time. It is obvious that the bombing of pipelines does not give us the economic and hurt politically. In addition, it is now quite clear, stretching toward Georgia energoprovody soon after the resumption of war will be under our control. It is quite another matter - the deposit. First, the effect of such an act would be much more durable, and will provide interested countries with a fait accompli, and second, blazing like a funeral pyre deposits will lead to the cremations Azerbaijan itself.

Thus, if in Baku still dare to collective suicide, we will need to perform two tasks: to reach the historic eastern borders and destroy some of the oil and gas deposits are still present in Azerbaijan. It would be naive to think that this pipe will lose its economic significance. After a year or two everything will return to business as usual, and deposits were reopened regularly deliver carbohydrates. And just as regularly to replenish the budget of the Republic of Artsakh.

The new version of the Protocol to the Russian base in Armenia, Ilham Aliyev confronts a dilemma: to agree to continue to reign on the "eighty percent" and to preserve the throne for her son, or to move to Dubai - one of the houses of Heydar Aliyev junior. Third choice he was not given.

Levon Melik-SHAHNAZARIAN

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[burjuin]

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Photos of the Armenian Army for the last fifteen years:

[ninetoyadome]

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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev arrives in Yerevan today on a three-day visit, for a "non-official" CSTO summit and, it's expected, to sign a new deal with Armenia extending Russia's military presence there. The deal would amend the lease Russia has with Armenia for use of the 102nd base in Gyumri for an additional 24 years, which would allow Russian troops to stay in Armenia until 2044. (Russia apparently is thinking long-term these days; it also this year signed an agreement with Ukraine allowing use of the naval base at Sevastopol until 2042.)

Connected with this, somehow, is the news that Russia will (maybe) be selling S-300 air defense systems to Azerbaijan. This development was reported by a Russian newspaper three weeks ago and has yet to be authoritatively confirmed or denied by any of the relevant parties. So speculation continues, and there are various theories. One common belief is that it's a sop to Azerbaijan to allay their fears over Russia's strengthening presence in Armenia.

Another school of thought is that it was to scare Armenia into accepting the base lease extension. From EurasiaNet colleague Shahin Abbasov:

Moscow may have an interest in emphasizing that interest [by Baku to buy the S-300] to Azerbaijan’s long-time foe, Armenia, one political analyst believes. The timing of the July 29 Vedomosti article about the alleged S-300 sale roughly coincided with news about an expected August 19 deal with Armenia for a 49-year lease on Russia’s Gyumri base there.

“Both issues appeared simultaneously and I do not have any doubts that they are linked,” commented Ilgar Mammadov, a co-founder of the pro-opposition Respublikaci Alternative movement.

“[T]here are forces in Armenia which criticize and object to these plans. Thus, to make the Armenian public agree to this agreement, the Kremlin leaked information concerning plans to sell the air-defense systems to Azerbaijan, and, generally, about the strengthening of its military cooperation with Baku,” Mammadov argued.

Or, of course, it could be a combination of both of these, and it ends up being win-win for Russia: they get money from selling the S-300s to Azerbaijan and long-term influence in the south Caucasus via Armenia.

But who comes out better in the deal, Armenia or Azerbaijan? It seems pretty clear that Azerbaijan does. The Armenian government claims that the deal will help protect them:

The new wording of the agreement stipulates that the Russian military base, together with the Armenian armed forces, will not only protect Russia's interests, but will also ensure Armenia's security. To this end, Russia will supply Armenia with weapons and modern military equipment...

Armenian politicians have welcomed the extension. Secretary of the ruling Republican Party of Armenia Eduard Sharmazanov told local media that extending the presence of the base will help maintain the regional balance of power.

But plenty of skeptics doubt that, if Azerbaijan were to attack to try to regain Armenian-controlled Nagorno Karabakh, that Russia would do much to help out. In addition to the fact that the CSTO's credibility is badly weakened after it failed to do anything to protect Kyrgyzstan during its recent crisis, legally the situation with Karabakh is tricky, as well, according to Armenian expert Hovannes Nikogosyan:

Yerevan is convinced that the agreement would contribute to the regional stability.

There is a minor legal problem however. According to the treaty between Russia and Armenia (and the CSTO charter) the sides will de facto protect each other in the case of an aggression. The new protocol that awaits signing at the moment says Russia will “protect Armenia's security”. Armenia did not annex the territory of Karabakh – it only extended security guarantees to the province – and legally the term “Armenia's security” seems to apply exclusively to the territory of Armenia proper. The problem is that neither the March, 2008 incident nor Azerbaijan's sabotage offensive against Karabakh last May were explicitly condemned by Armenia as infringements upon its own security. Russia will have no legal right to intervene in Karabakh unless Yerevan states officially that Azerbaijan's offensive against Karabakh would be treated as a threat to Armenia's security.

And while Russia continues to point out that the S-300 is merely a defensive weapon, this is obviously a canard. While, yes, a good air defense system protects you from an unprovoked air attack, it also protects you from a counterattack. So if Azerbaijan were to attack Armenia, and Armenia were to counterattack -- like anyone would expect them to -- then Azerbaijan would be able to far better defend itself against that counterattack. And that puts Azerbaijan in a much better offensive position.

But all this depends on Azerbaijan getting the S-300. So we'll see.

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/61771

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Aram Sargsyan: Armenian Armed Forces' military equipment level must be similar to Azerbaijan's
August 19, 2010 - 16:38 AMT 11:38 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - Amendments to Protocols of Russian military base deployment in Armenia, stipulating for Russia's responsibility to defend RA border, will curb Azeri intention to stat a war, Armenian Democratic Party leader Aram Sargsyan stated.

“In accordance with Collective Security Treaty, in case aggression is displayed toward one member of the organization, other CSTO members are to secure protection for the country,” Aram Sargsyan told a news conference in Yerevan.

Commenting on possible actions of Russia in case of Azeri attack on Karabakh, RA Democratic Party leader stated that Moscow will not be able to intervene, yet can supply military equipment. At the same time, he noted, only Armenia, being NKR's protector, is entitled to Karabakh issue settlement. “In such a case, Armenian Armed Forces' military equipment level must be similar to Azerbaijan's,” Sargsyan stated, noting that Russia will support Armenia in this issue.

[Karabed]

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There is a minor legal problem however. According to the treaty between Russia and Armenia (and the CSTO charter) the sides will de facto protect each other in the case of an aggression. The new protocol that awaits signing at the moment says Russia will “protect Armenia's security”. Armenia did not annex the territory of Karabakh – it only extended security guarantees to the province – and legally the term “Armenia's security” seems to apply exclusively to the territory of Armenia proper. The problem is that neither the March, 2008 incident nor Azerbaijan's sabotage offensive against Karabakh last May were explicitly condemned by Armenia as infringements upon its own security. Russia will have no legal right to intervene in Karabakh unless Yerevan states officially that Azerbaijan's offensive against Karabakh would be treated as a threat to Armenia's security.

Since Armenia is a member of the CSTO, couldn't it just declare war against azerbaijan and by doing so involves Russia and other CSTO members into the conflict?
Or is the CSTO a defensive pact like NATO and wouldn't work if one of the members starts/declares a war?

[ninetoyadome]

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Since Armenia is a member of the CSTO, couldn't it just declare war against azerbaijan and by doing so involves Russia and other CSTO members into the conflict?
Or is the CSTO a defensive pact like NATO and wouldn't work if one of the members starts/declares a war?

The rapid reaction force is intended to be used to repulse military aggression. They wont help Armenia attack azerbaijan. If azerbaijan attacks Armenia directly than Russia will help Armenia but if azerbaijan attacks Artsakh Russia will not help.

Also for those interested i spoke to Vardan Hovhannisyan, the director of the documentary A Story of People in War and Peace. He said the documentary will be released on DVD with directors cut this winter.

[Karabed]

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The rapid reaction force is intended to be used to repulse military aggression. They wont help Armenia attack azerbaijan. If azerbaijan attacks Armenia directly than Russia will help Armenia but if azerbaijan attacks Artsakh Russia will not help.

I see, what about Armenia proper bombs the xxxx out azerbaijan (without declaring war) and forcing the azeri's to retaliate on Armenia proper and by doing so activating the CSTO pact?

Also for those interested i spoke to Vardan Hovhannisyan, the director of the documentary A Story of People in War and Peace. He said the documentary will be released on DVD with directors cut this winter.

That's great news, I always wanted to see that documentary. Looked everywhere for it with no results.