Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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This also raises the question would Turkey supply the Azeri with TOW missiles currently or during any future war.

They seem to be ten to the penny these days. Why can't we acquire some through the black market etc.

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Greece has plenty of TOWs of many variants. The guys who supplied is with Milan

[burjuin]

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Kansas National Guard assists Armenian Peacekeeping Brigade prep for NATO evaluation

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9K114 Shturm




Milan anti tank missle

It's confirmed that we have Milan. Any confirmation that we have 9K114 Shturm?

Edit: We do have the Shturm mounted on MT-LB 9P149

[armnuke]

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These days, ATGMs have been as effective as tanks themselves. Look at what Hezbollah did to Israeli Merkavas in 2006, look at the Houthis cooking Saudi M-60s and Abrams' in Yemen, and of course Syria, where the Syrian Army is losing armor everyday.

I will post what I can confirm with citations, and add to this post as I find more info.

From razm.info
Milan ATGM (as Armynia pointed out)

Notice the Russian Night sight on our Milan
Milan is Wire-guided like the Tow


Also from razm.info
9K111 xxxot (To the left of the photo)
Wire-guided
"The 9K111 xxxot was developed alongside the 9M113 Konkurs; both missiles use similar technology – only differing in size – and can use the same launchers."

9K115-2 Metis-M
The Metis is newer than the 9K111 xxxot
Wire-guided

http://razm.info/22100

Same simulators seen here



9K114 Shturm
I can find only ones mounted on MT-LBs
According to trend.az, we got these from Moldova.

http://en.trend.az/scaucasus/armenia/2136041.html

27 vehicles and 219 missiles



If anyone has input please add.

[AstalaVist]

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There are a small number of pictures of our ATGM's at internet.

I found this while searching.

Serj with Metis,

[Vardan]

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There are a small number of pictures of our ATGM's at internet.

I found this while searching.

Serj with Metis,

It's a xxxggot 9k111

[ArmeniaSacra]

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Can somebody give a breakdown of what anti-tank missiles Armenia has? I know this thread once uncovered that Armenia has Metis-M but we haven't seen much of it since. The only anti-tank missiles we constantly see on Armenian videos are Konkurs. I ask because as those who are somewhat following the conflict in Syria will have noticed, the weapon making the single greatest difference on the battlefield are anti-tank missiles such as TOWs. It's really the only factor that has prevented the Syrian government from militarily crushing the rebels. Now I realize the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan would be quite different than the one in Syria but it's still an interesting measure to compare it to and our capabilities in crushing an Azerbaijani army that has spent billions on armor.

Federate, you just asked my favorite question. Basically we have At-4 (xxxot), At-5 (Konkurs), At-6 (Shturm), At-13 (Metis-M). Regarding the MILANs, there has not been any confirmation yet. Azeris accused Greece and Cyprus for supplying us. We never denied it. The entire issue started in one of Armenia's Military Exhibitions where an Armenian company was promoting improved sight (or something like that) for anti-tank missiles and they had set a MILAN launcher minus the missile.

Frankly I don't know whether it was a real launcher or an iron made mock up either. The company was actually promoting its own development and not showing the missile. It could have been that it was trying to market its product to European countries and that's why it chose a MILAN platform. The Germans and French denied that such a sale had occurred.

I frankly don't believe that we have MILANs. Because if we did, there's no way we would show them because it will eventually get Greece or Cyprus in trouble (if they really supplied us). Moreover, what's the use of buying a missile system which you cannot maintain, repair or re-supply during war?

Anti-tank missiles are complex systems that require a lot of training. What's the point of training MILAN crews, if once the missiles are finished you are not going to be able to get a new batch nor use these crews for anything else.

Moreover, MILAN is good, but relatively old system. We do have systems that are equally capable. So I don't see the rationale of purchasing MILANs.

If anything, this was the outcome of few Armenian internet online strategists who confused reality with their own dreams, coupled with low IQ azeri media people that made a big fuss out of it.


On the other hand, I do believe Anti-tank weapons should be the target of our upcoming acquisitions. I have said this many times here. Karabakh has a mountainous terrain. Azeri tanks will not be able to roll in bunch. They have to roll in columns to get from one place to the other. Thus, whoever controls the mountain passes, will win the upcoming war. If we buy efficient systems as the Kornet (At-14) or Khrizantema (At-15) we would be able to bury their armored columns on every valley and hilltop.

Our current systems are pretty good. But we need more advanced missiles if we want to go up head to head with Azeri T-90s with advanced countermeasures.

[burjuin]

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Armenian Air Defense

[armnuke]

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Federate, you just asked my favorite question. Basically we have At-4 (xxxot), At-5 (Konkurs), At-6 (Shturm), At-13 (Metis-M). Regarding the MILANs, there has not been any confirmation yet. Azeris accused Greece and Cyprus for supplying us. We never denied it. The entire issue started in one of Armenia's Military Exhibitions where an Armenian company was promoting improved sight (or something like that) for anti-tank missiles and they had set a MILAN launcher minus the missile.

Frankly I don't know whether it was a real launcher or an iron made mock up either. The company was actually promoting its own development and not showing the missile. It could have been that it was trying to market its product to European countries and that's why it chose a MILAN platform. The Germans and French denied that such a sale had occurred.

I frankly don't believe that we have MILANs. Because if we did, there's no way we would show them because it will eventually get Greece or Cyprus in trouble (if they really supplied us). Moreover, what's the use of buying a missile system which you cannot maintain, repair or re-supply during war?

Anti-tank missiles are complex systems that require a lot of training. What's the point of training MILAN crews, if once the missiles are finished you are not going to be able to get a new batch nor use these crews for anything else.

Moreover, MILAN is good, but relatively old system. We do have systems that are equally capable. So I don't see the rationale of purchasing MILANs.

If anything, this was the outcome of few Armenian internet online strategists who confused reality with their own dreams, coupled with low IQ azeri media people that made a big fuss out of it.


On the other hand, I do believe Anti-tank weapons should be the target of our upcoming acquisitions. I have said this many times here. Karabakh has a mountainous terrain. Azeri tanks will not be able to roll in bunch. They have to roll in columns to get from one place to the other. Thus, whoever controls the mountain passes, will win the upcoming war. If we buy efficient systems as the Kornet (At-14) or Khrizantema (At-15) we would be able to bury their armored columns on every valley and hilltop.

Our current systems are pretty good. But we need more advanced missiles if we want to go up head to head with Azeri T-90s with advanced countermeasures.

We probably have more, but it's not disclosed, which is better. Hezbollah possesed At-14 Kornet in 2006. I don't see any reason why we should not. We also have AT-3 Sagger, which played a decisive role in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war.

[burjuin]

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Russion Delegation visits Lubawa Armenia CJSC
27 November 2015

The Russion Delegation headed by Mr. Oleg Bochkarev, the deputy chairman of the Board of the Russian military-industrial complex and the President of the Board of the Russian military-industrial complex on issues concerning military economic cooperation amongst CSTO member states , that was in Armenia at the invitation of the Minister of Defence of Armenia, visited Lubawa Armenia CJSC on November 18th.

During the tour around factory the delegation got acquainted with the production process the products of Lubawa Armenia CJSC.

The main purpose of the visit of Delegation was to get acquainted with the military-industrial complex of the Republic of Armenia and to identify new areas for cooperation.

http://www.lubawa.am/index.php/en/aktualnosci-2/2161-russion-delegation-visits-lubawa-armenia-cjsc