Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

There is no real ally in this world, not the way you dream of it.


Russia is our only ally, in realistic terms (not in fantasy terms as you want to see it). It's simple, without Russia, Armenia would not have existed today (not vice versa). They protect our borders, invest billions in our economy and science and deliver us with the weapons by which we won the Artsakh war, and will win in the future.

Why is there not a real ally in this world? look to Israel and the U.S, they are each others biggest ally and they work like an team against Iran....

True if the Russians did not helped us in 1915 maybe there was not Armenia today, and we are thankfully to them for that, but the NK war we did not won because Russia deliverd us weapons, if you have a family or know someone who has fight in Karabakh war you should know.... Armenia had almost no tanks,ifv and lets not talk about airforce. al those military hardware witch is stationed in karabakh today, we can thanks to Armenians outside Armenia, who send verry mutch money to karabakh during NK war and still send till the day of today....

[Tigranakert]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Why is there not a real ally in this world? look to Israel and the U.S, they are each others biggest ally and they work like an team against Iran....

True if the Russians did not helped us in 1915 maybe there was not Armenia today, and we are thankfully to them for that, but the NK war we did not won because Russia deliverd us weapons, if you have a family or know someone who has fight in Karabakh war you should know.... Armenia had almost no tanks,ifv and lets not talk about airforce. al those military hardware witch is stationed in karabakh today, we can thanks to Armenians outside Armenia, who send verry mutch money to karabakh during NK war and still send till the day of today....

Are you serious? Have you ever questioned why the U.S. supports Israel, it's not because the American nation loves Israel so much, I think we all know (this is like the most extreme and unnatural case you can imagine). I personally think the Armenians have the potential (if organized) to form a well-functioning lobby-group in Russia too. Even though, the US has delivered hundreds of millions of dollars of weaponry to Israels enemy Lebanon. Should this mean Israel should cry and get xxxxxy? Ofcourse not, this is how politics work. Just be happy with what you get, don't xxxxx.

In fact, I know very much. The Armenians did manage without Russian help in the beginning (which is a miracle), but the fact is and remains, without Russian weapon supplies we would have never won the war and most importantly, could not SUSTAIN our victory. Do you understand?

Where was the rest of the world? They would not bother if Armenia lost and the Armenian people got exterminated, in fact, they would be very happy.

This discussion is just senseless. I'm just glad they support Armenia today, I don't even know if the Armenian people deserve their support.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Why is there not a real ally in this world? look to Israel and the U.S, they are each others biggest ally and they work like an team against Iran....

True if the Russians did not helped us in 1915 maybe there was not Armenia today, and we are thankfully to them for that, but the NK war we did not won because Russia deliverd us weapons, if you have a family or know someone who has fight in Karabakh war you should know.... Armenia had almost no tanks,ifv and lets not talk about airforce. al those military hardware witch is stationed in karabakh today, we can thanks to Armenians outside Armenia, who send verry mutch money to karabakh during NK war and still send till the day of today....

Russia helped us only by keeping Turkey away from the battlefield in 1993. Do you think we would have won if Turkey had attacked us and opened a second front against us? I've got family that has fought in Artsakh and my uncle was delivering supplies to the army and people of Armenia in the 90s.

Armenian fighters won the war, but this would have not been possible without the aid of Russia.

I let Mr. Medvedev to know about your argument and use it whenever needed.

So you've got nothing to add to the discussion and try to be a smart-ass? I've just used your own logic against you, that's all I did.

[gegev]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The Armenian president visited Georgia a while ago, so following your logic this shouldn't happen because the two of them are enemies? And what about the military exercise in Armenia with NATO? Should that also not happen because Armenia and Russia are allies?

I let Mr. Medvedev to know about your argument and use it whenever needed.

FYI: Russia itself is taking part in NATO exercises. As refers to Georgia Russians already have done with them what they wanted; and after that they don't consider Georgia as an enemy; please read Medvedevs statements on that.

See you in September 2010.

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Are you serious? Have you ever questioned why the U.S. supports Israel, it's not because the American nation loves Israel so much,

Because 80% in U.S government are xxxs, hundreds of millions worth weaponry to Lebanon? compare that with how mutch they deliverd to Israel...

In fact, I know very much. The Armenians did manage without Russian help in the beginning (which is a miracle), but the fact is and remains, without Russian weapon supplies we would have never won the war and most importantly, could not SUSTAIN our victory. Do you understand?

and why did they helped azeris? (more then Armenia by the way)

Where was the rest of the world? They would not bother if Armenia lost and the Armenian people got exterminated, in fact, they would be very happy.

Why should the rest of the world think about Armenia or Armenians? if our own people don't even do that...?

[arakeretzig]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Strategically and militarily speaking, I wonder if Azeris launch another war, how capable is NKR+AR of liberating north Artsakh all the way up to the Kura river and Tovuz? Is it even realistic to ask that?
I'm betting that NKR would want to liberate Shahumyan atleast and push in further to create a safety buffer.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Because 80% in U.S government are xxxs

I have nothing else to add, thank you.

and why did they helped azeris? (more then Armenia by the way)

Are you joking? In the beginning of the war, the Russians sided with the Azeris because they thought this could destabilize the whole Sovjet-Union. Afterwards, they got to their senses and gave Armenia weapons worth billions of dollars for free, Azerbaijan needed to pay for every single weapon.

Again, are you just fooling around or is this serious?

Why should the rest of the world think about Armenia or Armenians? if our own people don't even do that...?

Amen!

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Dude what did they gave us worth billions? a couple t-72 and some iglas you mean? or Ak47? you realy talking nonsense, even those T-72 and iglas ware send by ritch diaspora Armenians, Armenia won the war because of our great commanders, and our soldiers who ware there to fight till the dead... Afther the war Azerbaijan had still more military equipment than Armenia, how does that come?

[Tigranakert]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Dude what did they gave us worth billions? a couple t-72 and some iglas you mean? or Ak47? you realy talking nonsense, even those T-72 and iglas ware send by ritch diaspora Armenians, Armenia won the war because of our great commanders, and our soldiers who ware there to fight till the dead... Afther the war Azerbaijan had still more military equipment than Armenia, how does that come?

Hahahahaha, sorry to say, but I can't discuss something with a person who doesn't even know the simple, basic facts. I think we received two to ten bullets, one T-72 tank without wheels and three AK-47's, don't you?

No seriously, you have to do a lot of homework before discussing these topics here.

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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