Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[arakeretzig]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Yes. Unfortunately, like many of the political experts in the press conferense said, there is a level of davajanutyun unseen even during the 90s war. Firstly, like robert kocharyan did, armenia again didnt involve nkr as a side to the conflict. Then we have the passive policy against azeris the past 5 years. The helicopter downing. 150 diversion attempts and a 4 days war later, the armenian gov still complain the ceasefire is not being upholded. Then we have the utter failure of not giving a preemptive strike to their latest adventure. Then there is the russia issue. The least serj could have done is not go to moscow for the altered meeting. This is the lowest we can sink as a nation. The conclusion to this situation, russia turning a blind eye and azeris not being punished for this , the blame must be on serj and his goons.

[Bigdikran]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Mher Jan I couldn't agree with you any more. My friend saw people organizing canned food drives, gauze, blankets etc... All in good faith of course, but having served in the military, he knew none of this was useful. First, these things are readily available in Armenia and could be purchased for pennies on the dollar. Secondly, it doesn't help save lives, nor does it provide us with improved offensive/defensive capabilities. It can also be a logistical nightmare. He spoke to someone from the ministry of defense in Armenia, I won't say with whom publicly on this forum. But he is a high ranking official. After their conversation, he decided to start a GoFundMe to buy Celox. Google this product if you are not familiar with it. It stops severe bleeding within seconds and cuts battlefield deaths due to bleeding by 80 percent (if not more). I think the US special forces use this stuff too. We contacted several Armenian accounts on Instagram, Facebook, and other social media. All promised they would help promote this campaign but didn't. We later discovered one was accepting donations for first aid kits (as if band aids and some gauze are going to help in a war zone), the other was posting about a auto leasing company that was promising to donate $100 for every new car leased from them. The car leasing thing really pissed us off. People are trying to catch fish from murky waters. Basically, people are making it about themselves and just really wasting money. We need someone to organize something that either helps save lives or gives our military some sort of offensive/defensive improvement.

please look into this group, https://www.facebook.com/groups/HelpingNeedyinArmenia/

[AstalaVist]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Ռուսաստանից պատվիրած զենքի մի մասն արդեն մատակարարվել է Հայաստանին. Նահապետյան

Ռուսաստանի և Հայաստանի միջև վարկային համաձայնագրով սպառազինության ձեռքբերման պայմանավորվածության համաձայն զինատեսակների ցանկից արդեն իսկ որոշ մասը ձեռք է բերվել, բայց ոչ ամբողջական ցանկը: Այս մասին հայաստանյան Panorama.am կայքին այսօր՝ ապրիլի 15-ին, հայտնել է ՀՀ ԱԺ ՊԱԱՆԳ հանձնաժողովի նախագահ Կորյուն Նահապետյանը:

Պատգամավորի խոսքով՝ երկու երկրների պաշտպանության նախարարություններն աշխատում են սպառազինության մյուս մասի մատակարարման հարցերը լուծելու համար:

Նշենք, որ այսօր ավելի վաղ կառավարության որոշումներից մեկով ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարությանը հանձնարարել է Ռուսաստանի համապատասխան գերատեսչությունների հետ՝ գնվող սպառազինության անվանացանկը հստակեցնելու համար:

Հիշեցնենք, որ գնվող սպառազինության նախնական ցանկը հայտնի է դարձել 2016թ. փետրվարին, երբ ռուսաստանյան կողմը հրապարակել է պայմանագրի տեքստը: Ձեռք բերվող սպառազինության, զինամթերքի և այլ տեխնիկայի քանակի մասին պայմանագրում տվյալներ չկան։

http://razm.info/82734

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[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Message from FB later but one of the groups I have been following is claiming the following and it's probably the case (In Russian and English):

Հարցերը գնալով ավելի հնչեղ են լինելու։
- Почему на передовой линии, как выяснилось, не хватило патронов.
- Почему не было выстрелов для ручных гранатометов, Фаготов и пр.
- Почему у ротных и батальных минометом так быстро закончились мины?
- Почему не было приборов ночного видения?
- Почему армянский воин слепым встречал вооруженного до зубов бойца ЧВК, турецкий спецназ, ИГИЛ и др.? ПОЧЕМУ?
Հարցերը գնալով ավելի հնչեղ են լինելու։

- why is on the front line, as it turns out, didn't have enough ammo.
- why wasn't the shots for the hand grenade launchers, xxxotov and d.
- why does company and batalʹnykh minometom so fast out of the mines?
- why wasn't the night vision devices?
- why the Armenian warrior blind met armed to the teeth, the fighter pmcs, Turkish special forces, Isis et al.? Why? Why?


My translation:
NKR forces are not pleased with the level of support being given by the military command structure in terms of supplies and procurement. While this comes as no shock and is usually the soldiers mantra with every military worldwide, they claim that the army is being stingy or needs to procure and supply more of the following to frontline positions:


1. Ammo- guys ran out of ammo very early
2. Lack of Grenades, RPG rounds, and RPG units in general
3. Lack of Night vision
4. Lack of landmines

The assumption is that with adequate amounts of the following, many Armenians live could have been saved, Azeris would have suffered more losses, and all of these items can be purchased cheaply.

NKR forces went above in beyond in terms of fighting but among the High Command they've been resting on their laurels for to long and either being miserly with these items of siphoning off the budget

Bottomline:

- Frontline troops need more/better equipment in ammo
- Supplying this is not too pricey is leads to more fighting efficiency, fewer losses and more damage to the enemy
- The Army needs to do a better job of supplying the men
- All corruption needs to be rooted out- corruption leads to outright murder of our own.
-

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Yes. Unfortunately, like many of the political experts in the press conferense said, there is a level of davajanutyun unseen even during the 90s war. Firstly, like robert kocharyan did, armenia again didnt involve nkr as a side to the conflict. Then we have the passive policy against azeris the past 5 years. The helicopter downing. 150 diversion attempts and a 4 days war later, the armenian gov still complain the ceasefire is not being upholded. Then we have the utter failure of not giving a preemptive strike to their latest adventure. Then there is the russia issue. The least serj could have done is not go to moscow for the altered meeting. This is the lowest we can sink as a nation. The conclusion to this situation, russia turning a blind eye and azeris not being punished for this , the blame must be on serj and his goons.

Do not believe what you hear from the so-called 'political experts'

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Message from FB later but one of the groups I have been following is claiming the following and it's probably the case (In Russian and English):

Հարցերը գնալով ավելի հնչեղ են լինելու։
- Почему на передовой линии, как выяснилось, не хватило патронов.
- Почему не было выстрелов для ручных гранатометов, Фаготов и пр.
- Почему у ротных и батальных минометом так быстро закончились мины?
- Почему не было приборов ночного видения?
- Почему армянский воин слепым встречал вооруженного до зубов бойца ЧВК, турецкий спецназ, ИГИЛ и др.? ПОЧЕМУ?
Հարցերը գնալով ավելի հնչեղ են լինելու։

- why is on the front line, as it turns out, didn't have enough ammo.
- why wasn't the shots for the hand grenade launchers, xxxotov and d.
- why does company and batalʹnykh minometom so fast out of the mines?
- why wasn't the night vision devices?
- why the Armenian warrior blind met armed to the teeth, the fighter pmcs, Turkish special forces, Isis et al.? Why? Why?


My translation:
NKR forces are not pleased with the level of support being given by the military command structure in terms of supplies and procurement. While this comes as no shock and is usually the soldiers mantra with every military worldwide, they claim that the army is being stingy or needs to procure and supply more of the following to frontline positions:


1. Ammo- guys ran out of ammo very early
2. Lack of Grenades, RPG rounds, and RPG units in general
3. Lack of Night vision
4. Lack of landmines

The assumption is that with adequate amounts of the following, many Armenians live could have been saved, Azeris would have suffered more losses, and all of these items can be purchased cheaply.

NKR forces went above in beyond in terms of fighting but among the High Command they've been resting on their laurels for to long and either being miserly with these items of siphoning off the budget

Bottomline:

- Frontline troops need more/better equipment in ammo
- Supplying this is not too pricey is leads to more fighting efficiency, fewer losses and more damage to the enemy
- The Army needs to do a better job of supplying the men
- All corruption needs to be rooted out- corruption leads to outright murder of our own.
-

Them fat generals are happy driving their G-wagons.

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/joachim-hagopian/armenian-genocide-wasnt-enough/

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Them fat generals are happy driving their G-wagons.

Yup, when I see a corpulent, fat bodied General, Colonel, etc that gets me pissed. You never really see that in other professional armies. To me the message it conveys is they're corrupt, lack self-control, lack self-esteem, lack discipline, are thieves, etc.

[Haykakan]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

"The least serj could have done is not go to moscow for the altered meeting"
I agree! We need to show that we too can play that game.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Artsrun Hovannisyan replied to that group's post.