Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Vrej1915]

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Կամավոր առաջին գիծ մեկնած ազատամարտիկը պատմում է՝ ինչպես հակառակորդը պայթեցրեց շտաբը

2016-04-16

[Vrej1915]

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[Eddo211]

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I'm not flattered just thought you were implying I was in it for the attention. I just don't want someone to read your post and do something that in my opinion is a felony here in the US.

An export license its all it takes.....there are gray areas and you cannot be sure gen 1 or gen 2 NVS are a felony. Research is needed and the best place to ask would be

http://www.atncorp.com/exportinformation

[Hakob]

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Tun Hayvan es ? When We talk numbers we need to understand that on a defensive position our loss of life was greater then of that expected. We didn't think in 4 days close to 100 men would die. That's a death toll for an attacking country. My point is , we are on defense so we need to hold the enemy back. We don't fight fire with fire , but use some water. We are using trench style warfare but there drones capture our movements and could easily kill our men. We don't want our men to be sitting ducks in an open field. Like I said before. Secret tunnels were our men are safe should be built. Look at the problems tunnels caused in Syria. Hezbollah used them against Israel and was very effective. So when we talk death toll, yes bloody oath 100 Men are a lot. There were plenty of years of training spent on these men , some were probably elite soldiers , but the sad thing due to not upgrading the battlefield or gear etc a simple mortar killed them. Some will say this is war. True. I say it's ignorance and carelessness.

Watch your mouth hayvan...
I did not personally insult you.
Your post was very provocative, trying to prove that our losses were to high compared to Azerbaijan and you bring Azeri official numbers. That makes what you're saying nonsense. Can't argue anything by enemy propaganda numbers here.
And your example of hezbollah or Isis tunnel tactics are for guerilla warfare. Those can never work in Artsakh because it is very defined front, not like Allepo mixed up.
Once enemy goes behind your tunnel your force is dead. Enemy can always outflank a tunnel and you are not mobile to react.
That is what happened to French Majinot tunnel lines in WWII when Germans simply outflanked this line and French had to give up without a fight.
Besides, you can't dig enough tunnels in 300 kilometer line to effectively cut all the enemy maneuvers.
If you feel bad for our losses than I welcome your concern. But if you think that it was in any way our fault, then you are wrong.
We had a very intense 4 days war. What our enemy has been trying to scare us with for all these years.
But forcing them to end it after only 4 days and with so much of enemy losses, is remarkable achievement by us.
I salute our military.
Good job.

[armnuke]

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Honestly the EEU is hardly an actual organization. It's something to keep Russians and Putin feeling good about themselves, but in reality it has very little significance. It's a sinking ship, one which Armenia has very little in connection with outside of Russia. It's rules are hardly followed, as they are picked and chosen from, as it suits the members. I know the opponents to it made such a big deal about it, and how it was going to change things, but in reality it changed nothing. It's just an imaginary club to make Putin make himself feel better, just like the many that existed before it. It can't ever realistically function like a successful economic organization based on rules and regulations when rule of law is non existent in its members states, and the ruling elite in those places are so used to doing as they wish. Russian with its declining economy really can't force anyone to do much, at least not the Belarus and Kazakestan. Armenia joined it because of the gas, and the military assistance, the Armenian community there, and in general to keep Russia happy. However, the best thing it can do is stay as independent as possible, and I believe those in charge of Armenia are smart enough to know that. The idea of a common currency is a joke, considering the currency of the other members has collapsed and Armenia's is so stable. Armenia and Azerbaijan were in the CSTO together for five years, and this is gonna become less relevant than that, so why not.



But to be fair, if we were going to go with what Taxi drivers say, according to Armenian taxi drivers Armenia is worse than Afghanistan

That's the best ever description of the Eurasian Union. The bad part is Armenia has been taken as a hostage by this utopia and can't even sign a free trade agreement with Iran. The EEU has to sign it collectively. Also, there is nothing to learn from these countries as far as production of goods goes. What FMCG products do these countries have compared to the EU for example? Nothing! You can't learn anything from these countries. I hope Kazakhstan forces Azerbaijan into the EEU and Armenia leaves it.

As far as taxi drivers, the second they open their mouth to nag about something, I tell them to shut it and focus on their driving. But the terrible thing about that is that people who come to Armenia for the first time believe them and imagine Armenia is some central African nation.

[armnuke]

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Agreed but our loss of life is far greater then there's. How we perceive things should not just be tolerated. We need to think outside the box of reality and think of ways to hurt enemy forces apart from the already known weapons they know we carry. For example ,Tunnels. Very effective in Mountainous regions. Also traps. Our forces don't need to go head on but sit back. Tactical Warfare needs to change. I believe our Army is strong but our design on the ground is old.

Shows how far behind we are in PR

[gokorik]

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An export license its all it takes.....there are gray areas and you cannot be sure gen 1 or gen 2 NVS are a felony. Research is needed and the best place to ask would be
http://www.atncorp.com/exportinformation

Definitely gen1 is okay to send but those NVG's need infrared lamps to be of any use(active). Azeri's are using gen3 or higher which don't need infrared lamps (passive). That lamp on the Gen1's can be seen from far away if you had gen3's. Imagine sending something that if improperly used could cause the death of a soldier. Gen1 NVG'S are useless if not dangerous. Gen2's maybe could be useful...Better than nothing.

[burjuin]

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Karabakh MOD: One dead body of adversary was found
09:15, 16.04.2016
Region:Karabakh, Azerbaijan
Theme: Politics


STEPANAKERT. – A dead body of the adversary was discovered in the early morning hours on Saturday.

The body was found during the engineering activities, which vanguard units of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR/Artsakh) Defense Army were conducting at the Line of Contact between the Karabakh and Azerbaijani opposing forces.
Armenian News-NEWS.am has learned the aforesaid from the press service of the NKR Ministry of Defense (MOD).

Armenia News - NEWS.a

http://news.am/eng/news/322556.html

[gokorik]

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Your example of hezbollah or Isis tunnel tactics are for guerilla warfare. Those can never work in Artsakh because it is very defined front, not like Allepo mixed up.
Once enemy goes behind your tunnel your force is dead. Enemy can always outflank a tunnel and you are not mobile to react.
That is what happened to French Majinot tunnel lines in WWII when Germans simply outflanked this line and French had to give up without a fight.
Besides, you can't dig enough tunnels in 300 kilometer line to effectively cut all the enemy maneuvers.

Just because tunnels are used mostly in guerilla warfare doesn't instantly make them useless, in my opinion it's the opposite. . You don't need to dig 300km's of tunnels. You can focus you effort on specific strong points
The Maginot line was also made using trenches. Should we stop using trenches?.... Tunnels work if the front line doesn't move too quickly. Something our Army is able to pull off.

[gokorik]

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Watch your mouth hayvan...
I did not personally insult you.

You called him an Azeri.

Are you an azery troll?

As an Armenian how is that not a personal insult.