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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Azad View Post
    Hard to tell ... Most likely it was their old position cause of the stone structure, looks like it was there for a while. See the attached map with arrows.
    The trenches coming down from those white sand bags were ours.


    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by armnuke View Post
      The trenches coming down from those white sand bags were ours.
      I see what you are saying ... yes it makes sense if Tap oglandioglouqoyunlumoghli was behind the white bags.


      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Interesting to know when they got these drones from Russia.


        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
          Special forces body battle the spirit comes out automatically.

          By not recognizing Artsakh the weapons shipped there does not count towards Armenia's maximum international military hardware.
          By not recognizing Artsakh the president has a ace up the sleeve. What ever Artsakh does has nothing to do with Armenia....however Armenia can recognize Artsakh at any time when Armenia's military is needed against the Azeri Turks and Muslim brothers.
          By not recognizing Artsakh Armenia negotiates to include Artsakh in the peace process since Azeri are facing NKR, a republic. Who gives a sh!t its not recognize......its still kicking Turkic Azeri's ass. You need to speak to Armenian Spartans.
          Before worrying whether Armenia should recognise Artsahk or not, lets remember that Azerbaijan de-facto recognised Artsakh by signing with them a cease fire treaty.

          At every opportunity they want to wiggle out of it ...... but facts are facts.

          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests


          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            The Armenian government has approved a bill recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh’s independence, sending it to the parliament. This decision has raised concerns among leading international and regional powers. Azerbaijani state media suggested that the recognition of Karabakh’s independence would lead to the resumption of large-scale hostilities. In turn, Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that the resolution of the Karabakh-Azerbaijani conflict must be found through negotiations within the OSCE Minsk Group. Meanwhile, the Armenian side has announced that it is not afraid to recognize the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR), and that it is determined to take this step under certain circumstances. Thus, Yerevan’s officials are pushing a diplomatic ultimatum on the international community for the first time in the last twenty years, painting its own red line for the OSCE Minsk Group.
            Many Armenian politicians and experts say that recent clashes along the Karabakh-Azerbaijani line of contact demonstrated the one-sided and passive attitude of the permanent cochairs of the Minsk Group—France, Russia and the United States. For a long time, Yerevan turned a blind eye to the passivity of the intermediaries, and made successive statements of its commitment to the peaceful resolution of the conflict within the Minsk Group. Today, the situation has changed. Yerevan is dissatisfied with the fact that the international community has not given a clear political assessment regarding Azerbaijan’s aggression, preferring instead to appeal carefully to both sides. The Armenian side believes that Baku regards such an approach as a green light for further escalation. In such a situation, Yerevan needs to take more decisive steps. That is strongly demanded by Armenian society and influential organizations in the diaspora. President Serzh Sargsyan understands that showing weakness at this stage may lead to unpredictable consequences, both for the country and for the ruling regime.

            The logic of the Armenian public stems from the fact that any bad head of state can be forgiven for economic or social problems if the leader firmly defends the country’s national interests in the international arena. In the current situation, any territorial concessions will be perceived as a national betrayal that will lead to the inevitable fall of the existing regime. In the case of Azerbaijan, the situation is different. For President Ilham Aliyev’s clan, Karabakh has an exclusively political value that allows them to maintain the internal legitimacy of their regime. On various international platforms, Ilham Aliyev has always stressed that nobody in the world recognizes the independence of Karabakh, including Armenia itself. In fact, for Baku it is not the territory of Karabakh that matters, but the legal opportunity to call it a part of Azerbaijan with the support of the international community. Such a situation would suit the Armenian side de facto, and satisfy the Azerbaijani side de jure. However, some adjustments have been made since the beginning of April.

            Recognition of the NKR at the local level in the United States began in 2012. As of today, seven U.S. states—Maine, Rhode Island, Louisiana, Massachusetts, California, Georgia and Hawaii—have adopted resolutions “in support of the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.” On one hand, foreign-policy resolutions of individual states are advisory in nature, and do not reflect the official position of the United States. On the other hand, the adoption of these acts could not be possible without the consent of official Washington. For example, the White House has long blocked all of the Armenian lobby’s repeated attempts to hold a resolution on Karabakh recognition in California, out of fear of worsening relations with Baku. Thus, the United States officially supported the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, but neither did it hinder the development of local recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic’s independence.
            The Azerbaijani authorities, using their lobbyists in different states, have also tried to carry out a resolution on “support for territorial integrity,” to devalue the importance of pro-Karabakh resolutions. However, all the pro-Azerbaijani lobby’s attempts turned out to be failures, except for a resolution on strengthening cooperation with Azerbaijan, which was adopted by Arizona. These failures are now accompanied by an economy decline, due to the fall in oil prices and the mass arrests of journalists and political opponents of President Aliyev. The United States criticizes the human rights situation, and the most significant figures of the world’s leading powers declined attendance at the European Games in Baku.
            Facing such difficult conditions in domestic and foreign policy, Aliyev should be more active on the Karabakh front, proving his viability and decisive nature. Provoking aggression on the line of contact with the Nagorno-Karabakh army, Aliyev’s regime receives domestic dividends while checking reactions from the Minsk Group and Armenia’s allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), especially Russia.
            Once again, Azerbaijan has managed to solve a number of political objectives. The level of trust in President Aliyev increased substantially. At the same time, Armenia has not received the support it expected from its partners and allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU). Moreover, the United States and France have not applied any political sanctions to Baku.

            Of course, in such a situation, the Armenian side has to act more decisively. Its allies in the CSTO and EEU hinted that their lack of support to Yerevan was due to the fact that Karabakh is not a part of Armenia. This logic is also guided by the fact that Moscow supplies Azerbaijan with modern offensive weapons worth up to four billion dollars. Russian politicians and experts believe that they fully kept their promise, as Russian weapons were not used directly against the Republic of Armenia.
            Therefore, Yerevan has no choice but to recognize Karabakh’s independence, with its ensuing inclusion into Armenia. Under these circumstances, any future war will be held not on the territory of Karabakh, but in Armenia itself. What will Russia choose to do in that situation? It will have to intervene, or else lose its crucial and sole ally in the Caucasus. Yerevan did not take such drastic steps before, in order to avoid putting its allies and partners in an unpleasant situation, and still hoping for support in times of crisis. Armenia’s recognition of Karabakh catches the two other cochairs of the Minsk Group, the United States and France, by surprise. Washington and Paris will have to become more actively engaged in this process, taking into consideration the powerful, rich and well-organized Armenian lobby.

            Thus, Yerevan, in recognizing Karabakh, demands that Russia, the United States and France be more active in the negotiating format, giving objective political assessments in certain situations and applying appropriate sanctions for failing to comply with the existing conditions.
            Areg Galstyan, PhD, is a regular contributor to the magazines Russia in Global Affairs and Forbes.
            Last edited by Shant03; 05-13-2016, 08:48 AM.


            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Two Armenian X-55 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) were destroyed by the Azerbaijani armed forces, Azerbaijan`s Defense Ministry told on May 13.

              The drones were destroyed as they were attempting to fly over the Azerbaijani positions along the frontline on May 13, the ministry noted.

              The ministry added that all the unmanned aerial vehicles at the disposal of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces are unharmed.

              According to precise information, the Armenian side has shot down its own drone by mistake, and is now trying to distract attention by releasing such information, Azerbaijan’s ministry stressed.

              This is from an Azeri news website. These baboons are getting very desperate. Not only are their drones "unharmed" but, they shot down TWO of ours.
              Last edited by AbuSindi; 05-13-2016, 09:26 AM.


              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by AbuSindi View Post

                This is from an Azeri news website. These baboons are getting very desperate. Not only are their drones "unharmed" but, they shot down TWO of ours.
                Wait until we shot 2 of their drones.
                The next day they will shot 4 of ours ^^

                They have a really big complex about something


                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                  nice dream. truth is everyone who can get out of military service will do so.
                  Uhhh, not really... you can speak for yourself.


                  The Karabakh Armenian army, which called up many local reservists immediately after the April 2 escalation, struggled to cope with the massive influx of volunteers from Armenia, turning away many of them. On April 7, Armenia’s Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian urged men to stop trying to join the army for now, saying that that it has already been sufficiently reinforced.



                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    I'm hearing reports of shooting that started in the Northern part of Artsakh. Now it spread all along the contact line from various points all the way down towards the Southern section. Can anyone confirm?


                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Karen Vrtanesian of was on Shant TV.
                      He said many of the deaths in Azerbaijan's army are known through social media posts, however so many of the villages dont have internet. Like a 2-3 people in a village of 3,000 have acces to internet only. So it's hard to find out their deaths.