Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[armnuke]

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35 minutes ago
как понимаю, если не вернуть позиции, которые были захвачены около села Талыш, то там больше никто жить не будет. Матагис тоже.
as I understand, if you do not return items that were captured near the village of Talysh, there's nobody else will not live. Mataghis too.

2 minutes ago
высота к Мадагису не имеет отношения, просто и там и там 3км до фронта
height to Madagisu is not relevant, just both 3 km away up front

[armo12]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

We acquired the SCUDs in 1995 and showed it in 2003.

Iskanders will be shown in 2020

The scuds were shown back in 2011,not 2003

[armo12]

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Eh, most of their stuff isn't very unique. They take Soviet designed small arms and just kit them out with pic rails, modern stocks, and suppressors. Whats worse is that they present this to the military expecting them to take interest. What they need to design is an practical and inexpensive domestic modernization of the AK-74 that suits Armenia's needs. That means no suppressors, cut down on the pic rails, introduce a stock that can fold or collapse, and present an optic that can be used by the average rifleman. We have already seen this initiative with the bullpup K-3, which has its own flaws. (Like the rifle grenade, rifle grenades became obsolete with the creation of the grenade launcher, which is much more effective and has less recoil)

Getting their hands on AK modernization kits that the Russian Army is issuing is probably the best thing the military could do at the moment. If Aspar can present a viable alternative, then I would be impressed. So far, all they have showed off is AKs and SVDs with flashy attachments and paint jobs.

They designed new handguns for both the army and special forces,many bolt-action snipers,a short assault rifle with a folding stock(saw the president holding it once) give them time and they'll prove themselves

[armo12]

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I will breakdown Samvel's arguments and give my opinion on them





Not true at all, his ties to the Russian Generals are showing. Russia is pursuing is fruitless endeavor at reintegrating Azerbaijan into their sphere. Azerbaijan is GONE. It is a Turkish puppet state and has been since that Elchibey. There are even rumors that the Azerbaijani military and interior ministry are controlled by Turkish Generals.



This is obvious. Our government got too comfortable with the status quo and let their guard down.



They are unwilling to compromise because they have the technological and numerical upperhand. The oil revenue and support from Turkey have allowed the Azerbaijanis to technologically modernize their armed forces to a ridiculous level. They are currently a lightyear ahead of us in terms of technological and this IS NOT to be underestimated.



This is the part where many get confused.

Armenia is lacking severely in these areas:

Armored vehicles (Severely lacking; Technological disparity)

Self-propelled artillery (severely lacking)

Air superiority/Multirole fighters (severely lacking

Armenia is superior to Azerbaijan when it comes to ballistic missile forces. We simply have way more which can overwhelm their air defense network. The acquisition of Iskander would only strengthen this.

Armenia has also closed a very important gap - MLRS

The upcoming acquisition of TOS-1A and Smerch MLRS has fully closed this disparity. This is a success achieved in the arms race

We need to begin full-scale modernization of our main battle tanks and we need to begin acquiring more modern IFVs.



I 100% agree. Ceding some parts of the buffer zone back to the Azerbaijanis, which would allow their refugees to return, would be not only the right thing to do but the smart thing to do. We should retain Karvachar and Lachin, as those are vital to Armenian national and water security along with retaining NK itself. Aghdam, Fuzili, Zangilan, etc should be given back to Azerbaijan. These regions are nothing but desolate ruins and would become and economic burden to develop again. No one lives there as well. I know in the past 120 years, we have lost a lot - too much. Sometimes you have to compromise and Samvel is right here. Solving our problems with Azerbaijan peacefully would also allow us on focusing more of our effort on regaining regions like Kars, Ardahan and Mt. Ararat. We should have made claims to those lands yesterday....Things like the BTC pipeline would become a non-issue.

How I see things

Forgot drones,both for reconnaissance and strike missions

[Artashes]

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2020 is a bit too far away hahaha. We've been in negotiations with Russia since 2014, officially since July 2015. Iskander-M exports were officially permitted this year. Don't surprised if you see them in the parade. However, it all depends on timing of the deliveries.



Ceding territory back to Azerbaijan is a much better deal than the "phased" settlement the OSCE has in mind.

If we were to go to war, right now. It wouldn't end well for anyone, but the Azerbaijanis dont know that. Their arms purchases have given them immense confidence. We need to move up in the armament ladder and intimidate them back to the negotiating table. I want to go back to complete indifference towards Azeris. I never cared for them and never will. It is the Turk to our West that is the problem that must be dealt with, who currently occupies nearly half of the Republic of Armenia.

--- ceding territory back to azer/turc is much better deal than phased settlement the Osceola has in mind ---
Your implying those are the only two options. Option #3 ... No land is given back.
The turc (azer) or to our west, operate under fraudulent premise. Ther entire reason for being in the Caucasus or any part of the Armenian Highland is by murder and theft. These actions of today are a direct reflection of our encounter with these nomadic criminals since day #1.
This is actually the same assault continued to 5/25/16 , 12:07pm Alaska time.

[Hakob]

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The government keeps injecting fear for loosing Artsakh and a false hope that one day they will eliminate corruption, rejuvenate economy and pull Armenia from current deadlock and solve Artsakh problem.
Guess what? They never will. To do so will mean removing selfs from power.
All the negotiations and proposals about Artsakh conflict are also not about solving it. One way or another those international negotiations or proposals have been opened and debunckted in this or other forums.
The only path is our nationalist path. Artsakh is Armenian and independent. That's it.
All the territories under Artsakhs controll belong to Artsakh. Period.
Azerbaijan either has to accept this or can do whatever it wishes(doing this now). Armenians are ready to fight to the end for it.
This is the only way to cut this Gordon knot.
There should be negotiations for peace. Not land.
Changing government will let us put forward this conditions and stop land bargains.

[Azad]

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Ceding territory back to Azerbaijan is a much better deal

Most turkish and azeri political forums do think in the same line in regards Armenia and Armenians. "Ceding territory back to Armenia is a much better deal".

[DieHard69]

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How did we start from a simple military information too suddenly criticising the Armenian government shouldn't we be talking about our military problems rather than complaining about corruption, were getting off track here.

Or we can just make a anti corruption thread and put our complaints there.

[Lori]

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--- ceding territory back to azer/turc is much better deal than phased settlement the Osceola has in mind ---
Your implying those are the only two options. Option #3 ... No land is given back.
The turc (azer) or to our west, operate under fraudulent premise. Ther entire reason for being in the Caucasus or any part of the Armenian Highland is by murder and theft. These actions of today are a direct reflection of our encounter with these nomadic criminals since day #1.
This is actually the same assault continued to 5/25/16 , 12:07pm Alaska time.

Yes, those are Armenia's options. The idea that those territories will remain under Armenian control with Great Power approval is naive. Some of it is to go back, end of story. Retaining the territory would involved going to war, which would be disastrous for Armenia. Be smart, not suicidal.

I suggest you adopt a different outlook on the situation, as yours is quite archaic and bizarre. The origins of the Azerbaijanis is entirely irrelevant to the political situation, national security of states, international law, etc. It is also completely irrelevant to the geographic political boundaries of the Caucasus.

How did we start from a simple military information too suddenly criticising the Armenian government shouldn't we be talking about our military problems rather than complaining about corruption, were getting off track here.

Or we can just make a anti corruption thread and put our complaints there.

We are talking about corruption in the government because it is directly related to the dismissals of several Army commanders and a reshuffling of the command staff.

[Azad]

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Yes, those are Armenia's options. The idea that those territories will remain under Armenian control with Great Power approval is naive. Some of it is to go back, end of story.

Once the greater powers start talking on Crimea, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Palestine, Falklands, Northern Cyprus, Western Armenia … We will consider being reasonable with what others dissected our existence. The China sea is being reshaped right now, where are the "greater power/s"?