Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenia cannot survive a state of perpetual war.I'm not talking about ending our ethnic conflict with Turks - That is an eternal struggle that we share with many other groups (Greeks, Serbs, etc). I'm talking about peace - politically. Armenia needs a chance to actually develop itself as well, and we don't have superpower backing and our own nuclear arsenal like Israel. We cannot be at war with Turks for 60 years straight.

If ceding some territory to the Turks (Just as Israel ceded territory back to Arab states) means development of the country, no more threats of full scale war, and peace - Why would you be against such a thing?

Who called for ceasefire during the 4-Day War through the Russians?
You think it's gonna end by ceding lands? Next they're gonna push for a passage from mainland Azerbaijan to Nakhichevan through Syunik. (Assuming you know where's Syunik).

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If ceding some territory to the Turks (Just as Israel ceded territory back to Arab states)

Like israel on the second round of liberating our lands we will give them back a sandy patch far from our mountains.

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Lmao, this is coming from the guy spamming traitor to anyone who disagrees with his opinion.

Why would a Turk shill post on this forum? If a Turk wanted to spread propaganda they would go to a site where you could find third parties to convince. (Aslanov is an exception, his posts are just xxxxwaving about military equipment


Hakob and londontsi, professional mental gymnasts.

Lori looks like you did not get what the argument was about after all.

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I guess Samvel Babayan is a traitor - Can I ask you why you men are agreeing with and praising a traitor?

I listened carefully to Samvels interview. He did not mention anything about ceding land for peace.
He talked about how to respond to Azeri aggression.
Buying most modern equipment.
Circumventing hills to take more land.

My position is not opposite the position of the Armenian people.

My position is opposite to your position - no compromise/suicide pact.

Your position is opposite to the "whole" nation.

Not a single inch of former NKAO and populated regions should be ceded to Azerbaijan -

Your mental age coming through.

I repeatedly stated that, even before these borderline retarded accusations. I have repeatedly stated that I am in favor of ceding non-strategic parts of the security zone back to Azerbaijan in exchange for peace. You don't trust the Turks to honor any agreement and neither do I. But trust is not needed. We have a security apparatus, a long-term one, that will prevent such events from occurring.

NKAO geographically is not defendable.
Not tactically
Not logistically
Not psychologically.

If anything one should have not missed the importance of the new border of Artsakh Republic.
How our boys were able to defend a surprise attack with massive force.
Despite our shortcomings within the higher echelons of our army.

You act like a vatnik

I do not know what language that is, try
Armenian
English
Greek
Turkish

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[haydavid]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenia cannot survive a state of perpetual war.I'm not talking about ending our ethnic conflict with Turks - That is an eternal struggle that we share with many other groups (Greeks, Serbs, etc). I'm talking about peace - politically. Armenia needs a chance to actually develop itself as well, and we don't have superpower backing and our own nuclear arsenal like Israel. We cannot be at war with Turks for 60 years straight.

If ceding some territory to the Turks (Just as Israel ceded territory back to Arab states) means development of the country, no more threats of full scale war, and peace - Why would you be against such a thing?

If you really think a 'peace treaty' is possible then I'm very sorry to tell you that you are naive.

Just look at history. The one with the best military power wins allways. Did a treaty prevent Russia from taking Crimea ? That's what I tought.
We are our own guarantee , no other state/treaty can guarantee us any security.
Every cm of land given is a step towards less security and death of the republic of Armenia.

Don't be naive , Turks will seize every opportunity to make Armenia very weak.

[Artsakh]

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Kocharian Faults Russia Over Karabakh Escalation

Russia’s large-scale arms sales to Azerbaijan changed the Armenian-Azerbaijani military balance and greatly facilitated the April 2 outbreak of heavy fighting around Nagorno-Karabakh, former President Robert Kocharian said on Wednesday.

He also criticized Armenia’s current government for failing to thwart the Russian-Azerbaijani arms deals worth an estimated $5 billion and to provide the Armenian armed forces with more modern equipment that would have offset the Azerbaijani military buildup.

“Everyone wanted to believe that the military alliance with Russia at least guarantees the maintenance of the military balance, namely Armenia’s and Karabakh’s security,” Kocharian said in comments posted on his unofficial website, 2rd.am. “Before the implementation of [defense] contracts signed by Baku and Moscow in 2011 the balance between the [conflicting] parties in terms of the quality of weaponry was maintained. But it turned out that things are much more complicated.”

While insisting that Russia is not interested in an escalation of the Karabakh conflict, Kocharian stressed: “Supplies of state-of-the-art offensive weapons to Baku disrupted the balance, considerably increasing the likelihood of such a scenario.”

Those weapons included more than 90 tanks as well as dozens of combat helicopters, multiple-launch rocket systems, howitzers and heavy flamethrowers. President Serzh Sarkisian and other Armenian officials have publicly denounced their lucrative sale to Azerbaijan, saying that the Azerbaijani army used some of these weapons during the April 2-5 hostilities along the Karabakh “line of contact.”

In public, Russian leaders have dismissed the Armenian criticism, saying that Russian arms supplies to both Baku and Yerevan have actually strengthened the military balance in Karabakh and reduced the likelihood of a full-scale Armenian-Azerbaijani war.

Kocharian, who governed Armenia from 1998-2008, said the Sarkisian government could have scuttled the Russian-Azerbaijani arms deals had it acted immediately after their signing in 2010-2011. “Armenia should have managed to halt the implementation of the Russian-Azerbaijani agreements or at least limit it in terms of the variety [supplied weapons] or synchronize that with commensurate supplies to Armenia,” he said. “It had more than enough arguments [to convince the Russians.]”

The ex-president claimed that the current Armenian government could have also countered the “noticeable” superiority gained by Baku by providing the Armenian military with more, relatively inexpensive equipment such as night-vision devices and radios. “The existing shortcomings must be immediately eliminated, and efforts are obviously being made in that direction,” he said. “But this has to be done at an institutional level, not on a patriotic basis, as was the case at the start of the [1988] Karabakh movement.”

“Volunteers must go to the frontlines not spontaneously but be sent there by military commissariats in accordance with their military skills,” he added.

Kocharian last month visited Karabakh and met with its leadership to discuss the fallout from what was the worst fighting between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces since 1994. He also toured several sections of the Karabakh “line of contact.”

Kocharian has avoided any direct contact with Sarkisian, underlining a rift with his successor and erstwhile ally. The ex-president has increasingly criticized Sarkisian’s policies in recent years, stoking speculation about his return to active politics.

The speculation again intensified after former Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian and several other political figures widely regarded as Kocharian supporters set up a new opposition party in April. The ex-president denied having links with the party on May 13.

Later in May, General Samvel Babayan, Nagorno-Karabakh’s former army commander, returned to Armenia after several years of self-imposed exile in Russia. Babayan signaled plans to resume his political or military activities in an interview with a news website sympathetic to Kocharian. He cited the increased risk of renewed war with Azerbaijan.

Babayan, Kocharian and Sarkisian are all natives of Karabakh who led the Armenian-populated region during its 1991-1994 war with Azerbaijan. Kocharian is believed to have had a particularly close rapport with the once powerful general.

http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/27772593.html

[burjuin]

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[HajiHabibli]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

In the interview babayan says that the azeri attack was essentially spontaneous and not a pre planned large scale operation. If that's the case, how does one explain the maps and documents found in the downed mi24 which pointed to such a pre planned operation?

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

In the interview babayan says that the azeri attack was essentially spontaneous and not a pre planned large scale operation. If that's the case, how does one explain the maps and documents found in the downed mi24 which pointed to such a pre planned operation?

Very good point.

[HajiHabibli]

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http://razm.info/84016

Volunteers will be given 5000 dram per day regardless whether their employers are paying them for the time away or not.
It'll be tax free and the time spent in service will count towards working hours for future pension.


It's good to see some positive institutional steps being taken by the govt. plus extra motivation for the unemployed to go serve.
It could be wishful thinking or too much optimism but it seems like in the last two months the govt is trying to slowly get its act together, especially the DoD.