Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I believe the time when states could just take land from one another during war is now over, we have international law and restrictions that regulate this. A compromise is in order.

Apparently the rules of International law and restrictions will start with Artsakh.

"Yugoslavia
Was a country in Southeast Europe during most of the 20th century. Serbia and Montenegro themselves broke up in 2006 and became independent states, while Kosovo proclaimed independence in 2008."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia

International Law my azz

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

That same "International Law" that was so compassionate to all these groups in dissecting the country, should apply the SAME rules to azerbaijan. All groups in azerbaijan have equal rights as the "International Law" accepted the Yugoslavian break up and displacement of people in their appropriate regions.

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The general breakup of Yugoslavia is not a comparable situation. The borders of each Yugoslav country did not change. The wars in croatia and bosnia were internal conflicts. Serbia and Montenegro broke up legally, without conflict or war. Kosovo is the only comparable situation.



Serbia did not seize land from Croatia or Bosnia or annex any of those regions. Croatia did no such thing in Bosnia, however Tuđman did try. (Or at least thought he would be able to)

You cannot compare Azerbaijan to Yugoslavia either, they are entirely different scenarios. If you are suggesting that balkanization and establishment of independent states on the territory of Azerbaijan is the future, then I would agree with you. However, to compare this situation to the situation during the Yugoslav wars is just wrong.

Oh and the UN/ECHR did not just "accept" the war crimes and aggression committed by groups in states in former Yugoslavia. You are aware of the court cases and genocide claims that took place?

Honestly this conversation is digressing into an area that is not relevant to the thread.

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Apparently the rules of International law and restrictions will start with Artsakh.

"Yugoslavia
Was a country in Southeast Europe during most of the 20th century. Serbia and Montenegro themselves broke up in 2006 and became independent states, while Kosovo proclaimed independence in 2008."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia

International Law my azz

--- international law ---
Now that's gotta be the guiding light of my life, roaring laughter.
According to "international law", stolen property belongs to the thief and murder isn't murder if it happened to the Armenians.
International law cannot stand the light of truth. International law is for sale to the highest bidder ... France, England, Germany,sooty rabia, USA, etc.
International law ... Quote: my azz, lol

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The general breakup of Yugoslavia is not a comparable situation.

It cannot be more comparable when you compare the country of Yugoslavia vs azerbaijan.

The borders of each Yugoslav country did not change.

Neither did the borders of each azerbaijan country.

The wars in croatia and bosnia were internal conflicts.

So is Artsakh vs azeristan. The same way the turks promoted and helped their bosnian brothers they are doing the same with the azeris and Armenia with Artsakh.

Serbia and Montenegro broke up legally, without conflict or war. Kosovo is the only comparable situation.

Right no war for Serbia. "Legally" we would like the same legality to be applied to the azeris that they applied to the Serbs.

Serbia did not seize land from Croatia or Bosnia or annex any of those regions.

In this equation Serbia is azerbaijan. Armenia did not annex Artsakh either. You perspective is twisted.

You cannot compare Azerbaijan to Yugoslavia either, they are entirely different scenarios. If you are suggesting that balkanization and establishment of independent states on the territory of Azerbaijan is the future, then I would agree with you. However, to compare this situation to the situation during the Yugoslav wars is just wrong.

I don't see a single difference and nothing wrong. I want the "International Law" to apply the same exact equation to azerbaijan as it did to Yugoslavia.

Oh and the UN/ECHR did not just "accept" the war crimes and aggression committed by groups in states in former Yugoslavia. You are aware of the court cases and genocide claims that took place?

As an indirect reference to the fake khojali BS? Yes what did the UN do for 1.5 million Armenian's slaughter?

Honestly this conversation is digressing into an area that is not relevant to the thread.

Very relevant we are talking of Armenia & azerbaijan balance avoiding Military escalations.

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

It cannot be more comparable when you compare the country of Yugoslavia vs azerbaijan.



Neither did the borders of each azerbaijan country.

Each Azerbaijan country? What? Azerbaijan is a unitary state with ethnic minorities in the extreme North and South and a separatist Armenian region.

So is Artsakh vs azeristan. The same way the turks promoted and helped their bosnian brothers they are doing the same with the azeris and Armenia with Artsakh.

Our army was a direct participant to the fighting. The same cannot be said for Serbia and Serbian Krajina for example.

Right no war for Serbia. "Legally" we would like the same legality to be applied to the azeris that they applied to the Serbs.

I am assuming you are talking about the Kosovo situation, if so then yes the same principal should be applied. Self-determination.

In this equation Serbia is azerbaijan. Armenia did not annex Artsakh either. You perspective is twisted.

Actually, it is your perspective that is twisted. If you knew anything about the Yugoslav wars, you would know that Serbia is comparable to both states. (Kosovo situation - Serbia is Azerbaijan | Serbian Krajina and Srpska situation - Serbia is Armenia)

I don't see a single difference and nothing wrong. I want the "International Law" to apply the same exact equation to azerbaijan as it did to Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia was a federation of South Slavic speaking countries and an Albanian autonomous region and intricate religious differences, Azerbaijan is a unitary state with ethnic minority populations

As an indirect reference to the fake khojali BS? Yes what did the UN do for 1.5 million Armenian's slaughter?

Um, no. What are you even talking about anymore? I'm talking about the prosecution of war criminals after the Yugoslav wars, as that refutes the claim that the UN just "accepted" the war crimes and ethnic cleansing committed by parties. Khojaly? How was that BS even referenced? The UN did not exist during our genocide. Neither did the League of Nations. What are you even on about?

Very relevant we are talking of Armenia & azerbaijan balance avoiding Military escalations.

No we are not, were talking about Yugoslavia now. Thanks for changing the subject.

--- international law ---
Now that's gotta be the guiding light of my life, roaring laughter.
According to "international law", stolen property belongs to the thief and murder isn't murder if it happened to the Armenians.
International law cannot stand the light of truth. International law is for sale to the highest bidder ... France, England, Germany,sooty rabia, USA, etc.
International law ... Quote: my azz, lol

Artashes...

The United Nations Basic Principles and Guidelines on the Right to Reparation for Victims of Gross Violations of Human Rights and International Humanitarian Law provide in part:

Reparation may be claimed individually and where appropriate collectively, by the direct victims of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, the immediate family, dependants or other persons or groups of persons closely connected with the direct victims

Yea, you should seriously do more reading. You sound like a Turk denialist, as that is a false argument they usually use.

International law has never denied the genocide. What are you talking about?

[Azad]

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In short, if the turks want their stolen land back, they will have to come and get it. If the majority of Armenians want to give part of their homeland back I will be opposing it but will accept their decision. It will be our biggest mistake in our history.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

"The United Nations Basic Principles and Guidelines on the Right to Reparation for Victims of Gross Violations of Human Rights and International Humanitarian Law provide in part:

Reparation may be claimed individually and where appropriate collectively, by the direct victims of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, the immediate family, dependants or other persons or groups of persons closely connected with the direct victims"

^^ Palestinian, Cypriots, Iraqis, Afghanis, kurds, half of Africa and the list goes on. We trust their laws!
We even have seen UN's silence and indifference if not involvement (with the Belgians) in the Rwandan Genocide.

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Each Azerbaijan country? What? Azerbaijan is a unitary state with ethnic minorities in the extreme North and South and a separatist Armenian region.




Our army was a direct participant to the fighting. The same cannot be said for Serbia and Serbian Krajina for example.



I am assuming you are talking about the Kosovo situation, if so then yes the same principal should be applied. Self-determination.




Actually, it is your perspective that is twisted. If you knew anything about the Yugoslav wars, you would know that Serbia is comparable to both states. (Kosovo situation - Serbia is Azerbaijan | Serbian Krajina and Srpska situation - Serbia is Armenia)







Yugoslavia was a federation of South Slavic speaking countries and an Albanian autonomous region and intricate religious differences, Azerbaijan is a unitary state with ethnic minority populations



Um, no. What are you even talking about anymore? I'm talking about the prosecution of war criminals after the Yugoslav wars, as that refutes the claim that the UN just "accepted" the war crimes and ethnic cleansing committed by parties. Khojaly? How was that BS even referenced? The UN did not exist during our genocide. Neither did the League of Nations. What are you even on about?





No we are not, were talking about Yugoslavia now. Thanks for changing the subject.




Artashes...



Yea, you should seriously do more reading. You sound like a Turk denialist, as that is a false argument they usually use.

International law has never denied the genocide. What are you talking about?

Turcs weather east or west utilize "international law" to ligitemize their claim to what doesn't belong to them. Most certainly to our east or west is recognized as turc land but that ain't so.
I sound like a "turc denialist". According to you. Far fetched but it suits your analysis. Otherwise that's comical and I dought except for you anyone else could possibly think such none sense.
--- I should do more reading --- lol.
Maybe in 40 more years you'll have read anywhere close to what I've read. But your 23 whole years old so according to you , you know quite a bit.
International law never denied the genocide of the Armenians. You mean like the last judgment of the euro court on perinck ???
Such nonsense.

[Hakob]

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Why are you comparing Artsakh to yougoslavia?
Every more or less reputable Armenian military analyst sais that the territories under Artsakh controll are the security and buffer. As long as Azerbaijan does not recognize artsakht's independence that means there can not be peace, the war has not ended, period.
Who is fooling whom? How can there be a peace with just giving up land but not solving the root cause of the conflict? Anything short is a clownade.
This conflict was never about territories. It was about Artsakh people's desire of self determination. And this people did the referendum and declared their independence from Azerbaijan according to international law. There has never been referendum in Kosovo etc.
what followed was Azerbaijans aggression and defeat as a result of the war. A ceasefire was signed where frontline froze at current lines.
The war will end with recognition of Artsakh by Azerbaijan. Without it, there can never be a peace. Any other talk of land exchange etc is a mockery. If Azeris are ready to recognize Artsakh, then welcome to talk about borders. Without it any talk about it is a tactical wise ass maneuver by Azerbaijan and some international circles to diminish and limit artsakh's ability to defend itself. Just a game.
Anybody playing this tune is just playing Azeri tune.
Armenia was not and is not directly in war with Azerbaijan for any territories.
It's simple, the whole deal is about Azeri aggression. Who cares about what % of their land they want.
Last war in April shows that Azeris will start aggression without regard to international rules. It also showed how important each square meters of territory is for artsakh's security structure.
Also, the good thing is that some international circles have started to recognize artsak's right to exist with its own territory and security plus security zone, given Azerbaijans aggressive behavior.

Also there is no such a thing as mutual destruction. We are not talking about nuclear weapons here. What a nonsense.
There is a good chance of conventional war and wars have their rules.
This war is not avoidable by the fate of fiew districts, as Azeris have stated repeatedly. It's the issue of survival of Artsakh.
We are fighting for our survival, Azeris are fighting for regaining controll.
There has not been any situation in past 26 years proving or forcing Artsakh people to abandone their claim of self governance on those territories. So speculation about Baku bazar is just that, a bazar. None of any serious figures in Armenia does not take it seriously.