Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[HajiHabibli]

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but every single conflict settlement offer that has been put forward by the Minsk group or anyone else starts with Artsakh forces pulling out of the buffer zone, then at some unspecified time in the future artsakhs status will be decided.

This is a complete joke, obviously. Yet Azerbaijan has rejected these too. So they want complete control of all the area and nothing less. So to speak of anything less than complete preservation of status quo is absurd at best and criminal at worst.

Armenians can think about possibly maybe thinking about talking about the possibility of maybe giving back a town or two for them to resettle if and only if Azerbaijan unequivocally recognizes Artsakh's absolute independence.

[argin]

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In short, if the turks want their stolen land back, they will have to come and get it. If the majority of Armenians want to give part of their homeland back I will be opposing it but will accept their decision. It will be our biggest mistake in our history.

agreed,last time i was watching a press conference on H1,they said azeri mentality is if you give them artsakh they will want Yerevan after,i mean they are now literally claiming Yerevan by falsifying persian empires history,imagine if we go head with concession of karabakh lands!

[HajiHabibli]

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and as far as international law is concerned, we have as strong a weapon on that front as they do. that's the right of self-determination, as Hakob mentioned in a previous post. We (the government) just have to articulate it better. The referendum was completely legal under the laws that existed at the time, regardless if they were soviet laws or not, that was the same law Azerbaijan used to become independent.

[Azad]

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Armenians can think about possibly maybe thinking about talking about the possibility of maybe giving back a town or two for them to resettle if and only if Azerbaijan unequivocally recognizes Artsakh's absolute independence.

Even if we normalize our relationship with both turkic countries, we will still be facing their population expansionism.
The usual scenario that Armenia experienced over millennia from the Highlands to Cilicia was their “neighborly” expansion.
They have the tendency of populating around Armenians and eventually revolting with jealousy and hatred, we all know what happens after that. How are we going to prevent that same scenario we experienced over and over in the future?

There is this Armenian say "The jackass makes a mistake once". How many times are we going to make the same mistake?

[Lori]

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Even if we normalize our relationship with both turkic countries, we will still be facing their population expansionism.
The usual scenario that Armenia experienced over millennia from the Highlands to Cilicia was their “neighborly” expansion.
They have the tendency of populating around Armenians and eventually revolting with jealousy and hatred, we all know what happens after that. How are we going to prevent that same scenario we experienced over and over in the future?

Thats probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard all day.

Azerbaijan's fertility rate has already dropped below replacement levels and the ethnic Turkish population of Anatolia have a fertility rate well below that. I don't know where you got that nonsense from, but its not true. As their economy declines and oil reserves dry up - Their fertility rate will plummet. Its a natural and irreversible process that most developed or developing nations go through.

Turks will never move to Armenia as well - They are taught to hate us unconditionally. We are an obscure and distant enemy for them.

[Azad]

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Thats probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard all day.

Do you agree this is a map where Armenians lived and mostly it was Armenia or Armenian territories?

http://www.littlearmenia.com/images/historymap.gif

Who lives on these lands now? kurds and turks do you agree on that part?
If you agree that means today we live on 1/10 of our original territories.

Do you agree there are close to 10 million Armenians that live outside those territories? Do you know why?

[Artashes]

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Even if we normalize our relationship with both turkic countries, we will still be facing their population expansionism.
The usual scenario that Armenia experienced over millennia from the Highlands to Cilicia was their “neighborly” expansion.
They have the tendency of populating around Armenians and eventually revolting with jealousy and hatred, we all know what happens after that. How are we going to prevent that same scenario we experienced over and over in the future?

There is this Armenia say "The jackass makes a mistake once". How many times are we going to make the same mistake?

--- how are we going to prevent ... ---
Not with international law, lol.
Not with " freedom of speech" being confused with freedom to tell lies.
Not until the turc to east or west recognizes they acquired all land by theft and murder.
Is that recognition on the horizon ? NO.
Unfortunately for us, a strong army that's constantly vigil is our only option.
The truth rests with us alone. When we stop expressing the truth, then the truth dies and the turc lies continue.
The turc weather east or west are the brutal invaders that history records. As long as their lies of being indeginous to our lands are protected by international law or freedom of speech, then they will continue with their lies and fraudulent claims.
It was determined that a remnant shall remain. There is nothing anybody can do about that. The determination came from the highest.
The banner of truth is ours to carry, not the fraudulent turc or international law any liers.
This remnant shall remain till the end of days. The lies shall continue till the final trumpet is sounded.
Hope is in heaven, not on this blood soakin dirt ball.
To carry the banner of truth is our portion. To carry the banner of lies and deceit and murder and torture is the turcs lot and the international courts lot.
We are that remnant.

[Eddo211]

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We don't want peace with Turks......we want to liberate more land against Azeris. Screw Turks and all their preconditions for opening border.
Again, we don't want the fake borders open. We don't recognize those borders (its in the Armenian constitution, no president can change it).

We need to counter attack Azerbaujan at large scale and push them back at least 150Km for our own safety and safety of the villages.

[Azad]

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We don't want peace with Turks

A turk is not a genetic make up of a person nor is it a defined entity or race to make peace with. It is an ideology that wants to infect its surroundings to its own backwards misery.

[Lori]

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Do you agree this is a map where Armenians lived and mostly it was Armenia or Armenian territories?

http://www.littlearmenia.com/images/historymap.gif

Who lives on these lands now? kurds and turks do you agree on that part?
If you agree that means today we live on 1/10 of our original territories.

Do you agree there are close to 10 million Armenians that live outside those territories? Do you know why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Turkey

https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2#q=fertility%20rate%20of%20azerbaijan

I've presented you with demographic facts, but go ahead and continue to fabricate security threats. Sensationalism is not going to help anyone.

There is no threat of "population expansionism" today.

The Caucasus, specifically the South, is in dire need of a population exchange along with an exchange of territories. Don't even mention the North (It's a nightmare).

We don't want peace with Turks......we want to liberate more land against Azeris. Screw Turks and all their preconditions for opening border.
Again, we don't want the fake borders open. We don't recognize those borders (its in the Armenian constitution, no president can change it).

We need to counter attack Azerbaujan at large scale and push them back at least 150Km for our own safety and safety of the villages.

That fat rat Serzh disagrees. Hes willing to send our heritage and heartland down the river.

I am not entirely sure if we would be able to take more land from the Azeris. We managed to grab back some of our lands during one of their weakest periods. I don't know if it is possible again, especially with arsenal we have.

A turk is not a genetic make up of a person nor is it a defined entity or race to make peace with. It is an ideology that wants to infect its surroundings to its own backwards misery.

Turks are an ethnic group