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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
I agree 100%. In fact, a good example for us is the IMI from Israel. http://www.imi-israel.com/
Upgrading small arms and weapon systems, while adapting russian tech to armenian conditions would be good.
Originally posted by Hakob
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Everything in those links is not coming from single country. All Scandinavian countries looks like work together then in turn work with European Union countries like France and Germany. Even US Boing has chipped in. It's 100% integrated for parts and assemblies.
Are you guys realistic? Who can we integrate with?
Our best bet is Russia, Belarus and Kazakistan. Mainly Russia.
I am a tooling engineer by profession and have worked in manufacturing for over 38 years. I'll tell you guys to produce anything, even a washing machine, you need tons of suppliers, subcontractors and state of the art facilities nowadays.
Not to mention highly skilled labor force and modern design and manufacturing domestic base.
All of the above have been destroyed in post Soviet republics over 25 years ago. Only Russia has kept core resources based on military military industry.
Belarus and Kazakhstan heavily depend on Russia to keep their shadow industries going.
What you see in Georgia is assembly put together facility that puts together from part kits from turkey, NATO etc. Doing this you would only save money, like buying car kit and assembling. But strategically you do not gain anything except bragging rights and cover on your eyes from reality.
Azerbaijan is in the same situation. 100% of what manufactures militarily is either Turkish or Israeli copy based on supplied parts. If any money is saved on armements, all 3 economies (Georgians less, us and Azeris 100%) loose by waistfull and corrupt governments.
The only domestic military industry optimal for countries our size is ammunition manufacturing of every kind, repair and upgrade facilities for equipment in service and research facilities for establishing and improving requirements and ideas for our particular military progress.
The only possible sustaining or survivable military industries for small countries like us are niche products like lazer rangefinders observation equipment, training, computerized command and control, artillery fire control systems and programs etc.
I think Armenia has a good potential in all above.
Why waist time on MRLS if you can buy them from Russia by internal prices. What Georgians make we can buy for fraction of the cost. The most important aspect for any old or new GRAD type is the rockets and control system. What do you gain by putting it on Volvo chassis instead of UAZ and making nice and sharp fenders or side plates? Nothing.
We have been computerizing Grad controls and are staring to manufacture rockets too.
Or Azeris making their own Turkish istiglal or Israeli drones. Do they make em more advanced? I doubt very much. Money saved? Very questionable.
We have to use the same format as EU if we want to go any further. Establish relations with Russia's core military manufacturers and help them manufacture and sell us hardware and stuff designed to our needs buy us and being advanced tech.
That is what Israel still does with US.
Then we can get them to supply us with components and material so we can cut corners in price and innovation in international markets and compete to make money.
Otherwise both, Georgian and azery industries do not impress me into wanting to go their way.
Our most important issue right now is economic reform. If our government cannot or is not sincere enough in reforming Armenia, then everything is pointless.
Are you guys realistic? Who can we integrate with?
Our best bet is Russia, Belarus and Kazakistan. Mainly Russia.
I am a tooling engineer by profession and have worked in manufacturing for over 38 years. I'll tell you guys to produce anything, even a washing machine, you need tons of suppliers, subcontractors and state of the art facilities nowadays.
Not to mention highly skilled labor force and modern design and manufacturing domestic base.
All of the above have been destroyed in post Soviet republics over 25 years ago. Only Russia has kept core resources based on military military industry.
Belarus and Kazakhstan heavily depend on Russia to keep their shadow industries going.
What you see in Georgia is assembly put together facility that puts together from part kits from turkey, NATO etc. Doing this you would only save money, like buying car kit and assembling. But strategically you do not gain anything except bragging rights and cover on your eyes from reality.
Azerbaijan is in the same situation. 100% of what manufactures militarily is either Turkish or Israeli copy based on supplied parts. If any money is saved on armements, all 3 economies (Georgians less, us and Azeris 100%) loose by waistfull and corrupt governments.
The only domestic military industry optimal for countries our size is ammunition manufacturing of every kind, repair and upgrade facilities for equipment in service and research facilities for establishing and improving requirements and ideas for our particular military progress.
The only possible sustaining or survivable military industries for small countries like us are niche products like lazer rangefinders observation equipment, training, computerized command and control, artillery fire control systems and programs etc.
I think Armenia has a good potential in all above.
Why waist time on MRLS if you can buy them from Russia by internal prices. What Georgians make we can buy for fraction of the cost. The most important aspect for any old or new GRAD type is the rockets and control system. What do you gain by putting it on Volvo chassis instead of UAZ and making nice and sharp fenders or side plates? Nothing.
We have been computerizing Grad controls and are staring to manufacture rockets too.
Or Azeris making their own Turkish istiglal or Israeli drones. Do they make em more advanced? I doubt very much. Money saved? Very questionable.
We have to use the same format as EU if we want to go any further. Establish relations with Russia's core military manufacturers and help them manufacture and sell us hardware and stuff designed to our needs buy us and being advanced tech.
That is what Israel still does with US.
Then we can get them to supply us with components and material so we can cut corners in price and innovation in international markets and compete to make money.
Otherwise both, Georgian and azery industries do not impress me into wanting to go their way.
Our most important issue right now is economic reform. If our government cannot or is not sincere enough in reforming Armenia, then everything is pointless.
Upgrading small arms and weapon systems, while adapting russian tech to armenian conditions would be good.
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