Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Vrej1915]

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[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[Eddo211]

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Thanks guys for the answer on our tank communication. I cant stress how important that is under fire.

I looked up for Italian Konus Pro F30 8-32×56 scope that Aspar Arms is using on black arrow. It's a bit low end product. It is made in China.
I have disassembled several scopes and also looked at construction diagrams of several others. There are two key elements in it.
The lenses and crosshair turrets. Diffrence between cheap and expensive (reliable one) is the construction of turrets and clarity.
I miself consider turrets to be the most important as it holds the accuracy of cross hair. Some western products have amazing light gathering clarity. But if it cannot hold accuracy then it's worthless.
If scope is not accurate and POI (point of impact) starts drifting all of a sudden (you can zero it in range and then shots later this can happen) , average army sniper cannot know right away, why is this happening. Is he missing because of his own poor aiming or what.
This can be tragic.
I thought that our guys are making night vision equipment allready. From that to rifle scopes is only very short steps. They should make our own.
The quality high end scopes have turrets made out of cryogenically normalized brass, with super fine pitch threads, a good solid click stopper design, what they call "a plunger", (all made of prime metal materials) and good compression coil springs or highest grade normalized/tempered double leaf spring pushing crosshair against both axis turrets with the same solid pressure regardless of how compressed they are, how many compression cycles they have gone through and how outside temperature changes. Not leaf springs like most Chinese, Russian or who knows which cheap ones have. Most hunting or standard ( not tactical or cheap tactical) scopes have one single leaf spring made out of regular spring stock, pushing crosshair against both axis turrets. After some time, and specially if you are resetting your elevation and windage because of ballistics adjustments at long distances, the spring may change or loose pressure and your zero point (POI)will drift out of accuracy.
Another thing is the clicker stop. I have seen Chinese use plunger with nylon tip instead of metal tip. When your scope is new, the turrets will turn with sharp clicks and hold very good where you stop. You will think "wow, nice". But soon the clicks get softer even dissapear and the turret may start turning. Specially on big caliber guns.
Or the turrets will develop a slack ( which I have seen even on brand new Chinese and Warsaw Pact scopes) that translates to 2-4 meter fly out on 1000 meter shot.
Making a very high quality scope in Armenia is possible. Those special coated lenses can be bought from Singapore, the high grade turret components from Europe or Japan. Then assemble in Armenia.
The special antifogging gas (Argon, etc.) injection in tube is worldwide old tech now.
This Konus Pro F30 8-32×56 is valued at $600.00 in markets. A NATO sniper (navy seal) grade scopes are valued at $5000.00 and up (most have export restrictions).
In Armenia a similar grade scope can be built for $1000.00 each.
Get a joint enterprise with Russia (they too buy scopes from around because domestic ones are sh I t) and make them in Armenia.
Added bonus will be worldwide export and diversification into civilian products like binoculars, surveying/measuring equipment.

Excellent post.
I had scopes on my AK that the barrel would crack and break on me and would never hold zero ($200 to $400 scopes). I mean for God sake the AK doesn't even have a strong recoil. Then I have a scope around $700 which was a drag to zero but finally so far its performing good, but you gotta baby it and not that trustworthy in battle for targets beyond 300 yrds. I am hitting man chest size targets up to 600yrds with it.

I trust my EO-520 red dot with my life and that baby csn stand lots of abuse and accurate 2MOA at 300 yrds.

Some scopes even after zeroing once removed and reinstalled on the AK rail you have to Kentucky windage it. I normally never turn dials for elevation or windage, just hold for distance and guess on wind.....up to 600yrds.

Unless you have those $5000 scopes, I wouldn't put too much accuracy expectations on the sight.

Nothi g like iron sights once you get good at it.......even up to 400yrds. Any further, yes, you need to put a $5000 scope on a $800 rifle.

[londontsi]

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Ok I like the be ready for war if you want peace perspective there but I do not like the constant comparisons to hryastan which this guest speaker and many others including members here continue to make. He states that our scenario is less like Crimea and more like hryastan but what is he basing this on? He also makes an assumption that if the oligarchs would stop stealing that alone would give us the economic resources to not just acquire enough weapons to protect ourselves but also to liberate the rest of Artsakh and some. He ignores many obvious problems and makes countless assumptions based on nothingness. Even if we had the money to buy lets say Iskader missiles, we would not be able to get them if we pissed the Rusians off. No one else has these weapons and we all saw the panic they instill in our enemy by his reactions. I believe this guest has a simplified vision of things which do not conform to our reality.

This had nothing to do with Israel except possibly “perpetual war” scenario.
Nothing to do with Iskander
Nothing to do with Russia.

It was all about negotiations for “peace”.
We are negotiating with the Azeri with no intention of giving any land back, at least that is what the people want.
We are forgetting what the Madrid principles say.
We are for forgetting what we agreed during Kazan negotiations before the Sultan decided it was not enough and wanted more.

The farcical is
We are negotiating for peace despite daily sniping and killings on the front line.
We are having negotiations while we are having mini wars.
We are having new agreements of Vienna and St. Petersburg but the Azeri don’t give a hoot about it.

Our leadership understands all the contradiction and obligations of the above.
It appears their only solution is to play for time before we hit the buffers.
On the one hand the people are hood winked with the terms Karabagh and Artsakh regarding giving back territories.
On the other the international community is is hoodwinked by our flexibility to keep negotiations alive.

Our only saviour is the Sultan who has adopted a maximalist stance in his demands giving us easy way out by rejecting those demands.
This suits us as far as playing for time.

What if Sultan plays a conciliatory stance, even for show.

As far as the the analyst having a simplified vision, he certainly is not a simple person.
I would have said he was overambitious in his vision.
It is a bit like the mind and the body are not in sync.
To have the body we need leaders of substance, no such leaders are visible on the horizon.

[Eddo211]

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Good point Londontsi

Why are we Armenians are our worst enemy? Even more than turks.
Is it because of what we have indured, lost, old leaders who set our fate of today, we are easier target then others to ourselves, our wide wide devisions, east, west, diaspora, armenia, artsakh, where you from, what kind of armenian u are, is it our church? you are a turk, i am reall armenian, etc.

One think we can learn from turks is their strong unshackble, almost unhuman unity.

We will fail unless we do something about it. Only new generation can, ignoring correcting old thinking and concentrate on future.
One more beer and i will have the solution.

[Haykakan]

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This had nothing to do with Israel except possibly “perpetual war” scenario.
Nothing to do with Iskander
Nothing to do with Russia.

It was all about negotiations for “peace”.
We are negotiating with the Azeri with no intention of giving any land back, at least that is what the people want.
We are forgetting what the Madrid principles say.
We are for forgetting what we agreed during Kazan negotiations before the Sultan decided it was not enough and wanted more.

The farcical is
We are negotiating for peace despite daily sniping and killings on the front line.
We are having negotiations while we are having mini wars.
We are having new agreements of Vienna and St. Petersburg but the Azeri don’t give a hoot about it.

Our leadership understands all the contradiction and obligations of the above.
It appears their only solution is to play for time before we hit the buffers.
On the one hand the people are hood winked with the terms Karabagh and Artsakh regarding giving back territories.
On the other the international community is is hoodwinked by our flexibility to keep negotiations alive.

Our only saviour is the Sultan who has adopted a maximalist stance in his demands giving us easy way out by rejecting those demands.
This suits us as far as playing for time.

What if Sultan plays a conciliatory stance, even for show.

As far as the the analyst having a simplified vision, he certainly is not a simple person.
I would have said he was overambitious in his vision.
It is a bit like the mind and the body are not in sync.
To have the body we need leaders of substance, no such leaders are visible on the horizon.

In regards to Iskadar and Russia, those topics are important because they give you a window into the mind of this person and how he thinks. They show some obvious flaws there. As for negotiations, I think both sides are just pretending there. Using words like "overambitious" hides the fact that this is a very dangerous attitude to have in regards to a state's security. We need realism and anything else will put us on the road to bad decision making. Leaders of substance are hard to find because such people do not get ahead in this world and the ones that do will be eliminated due to the threat they pose to the selfinterests of the elites that rule. Some of the issues Armenia faces are at least in part the results of the brain drains the country has experienced after the collapse of the soviet union.

[ASALA2116]

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Good point Londontsi

Why are we Armenians are our worst enemy? Even more than turks.
Is it because of what we have indured, lost, old leaders who set our fate of today, we are easier target then others to ourselves, our wide wide devisions, east, west, diaspora, armenia, artsakh, where you from, what kind of armenian u are, is it our church? you are a turk, i am reall armenian, etc.

One think we can learn from turks is their strong unshackble, almost unhuman unity.

We will fail unless we do something about it. Only new generation can, ignoring correcting old thinking and concentrate on future.
One more beer and i will have the solution.

Turks hate them or love them , are Nationalists and they will jump off a bridge if there Imam orders it .
Armenians are only nationalists in the Diaspora and that is because if they were to come to Armenia , that nationalism will die . Some of these Armenians in Armenia are honestly a disgrace and need to go deep river with solid concrete posts into Sevan , Garen Demirjian style. We need to teach the new generation that our enemy is these Turks and Azeris and they want to kill us , so the survival of our nation depends on them . Its as simple as that, as its the truth .

[burjuin]

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Strategic military exercises with live fire have taken place in the 4th Army Corps of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia

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24 OCTOBER 2016
In accordance with the 2016 preparation plan of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia, the staff of one of the motor infantry military bases under the command of the 4th army corps carried out strategic military exercises with live fire from October 17th to October 21st.

The theme of the exercise was bringing the regiment to a high level of combat preparedness, implementation of a military march and occupation of the centralized region, preparation and conduct of defensive combat operations, and transition to offensive combat operations during direct contact with the adversary.

The live firing stage of the military exercise took place on October 20th. Artillery, anti-aircraft, and other resources were implemented in order to halt the progress of the theoretical adversary, destroy its military forces, and repel it. As a result of correct strategy, accurate firing, and harmonized actions by the subdivisions, all previously set goals were successfully completed.

Such military exercises enhance coordination between subdivisions, field preparedness, the professional-strategic skills of the staff, and the abilities of the commanding staff.

http://www.mil.am/en/news/4455

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