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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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    I looked up for Italian Konus Pro F30 8-32×56 scope that Aspar Arms is using on black arrow. It's a bit low end product. It is made in China.
    I have disassembled several scopes and also looked at construction diagrams of several others. There are two key elements in it.
    The lenses and crosshair turrets. Diffrence between cheap and expensive (reliable one) is the construction of turrets and clarity.
    I miself consider turrets to be the most important as it holds the accuracy of cross hair. Some western products have amazing light gathering clarity. But if it cannot hold accuracy then it's worthless.
    If scope is not accurate and POI (point of impact) starts drifting all of a sudden (you can zero it in range and then shots later this can happen) , average army sniper cannot know right away, why is this happening. Is he missing because of his own poor aiming or what.
    This can be tragic.
    I thought that our guys are making night vision equipment allready. From that to rifle scopes is only very short steps. They should make our own.
    The quality high end scopes have turrets made out of cryogenically normalized brass, with super fine pitch threads, a good solid click stopper design, what they call "a plunger", (all made of prime metal materials) and good compression coil springs or highest grade normalized/tempered double leaf spring pushing crosshair against both axis turrets with the same solid pressure regardless of how compressed they are, how many compression cycles they have gone through and how outside temperature changes. Not leaf springs like most Chinese, Russian or who knows which cheap ones have. Most hunting or standard ( not tactical or cheap tactical) scopes have one single leaf spring made out of regular spring stock, pushing crosshair against both axis turrets. After some time, and specially if you are resetting your elevation and windage because of ballistics adjustments at long distances, the spring may change or loose pressure and your zero point (POI)will drift out of accuracy.
    Another thing is the clicker stop. I have seen Chinese use plunger with nylon tip instead of metal tip. When your scope is new, the turrets will turn with sharp clicks and hold very good where you stop. You will think "wow, nice". But soon the clicks get softer even dissapear and the turret may start turning. Specially on big caliber guns.
    Or the turrets will develop a slack ( which I have seen even on brand new Chinese and Warsaw Pact scopes) that translates to 2-4 meter fly out on 1000 meter shot.
    Making a very high quality scope in Armenia is possible. Those special coated lenses can be bought from Singapore, the high grade turret components from Europe or Japan. Then assemble in Armenia.
    The special antifogging gas (Argon, etc.) injection in tube is worldwide old tech now.
    This Konus Pro F30 8-32×56 is valued at $600.00 in markets. A NATO sniper (navy seal) grade scopes are valued at $5000.00 and up (most have export restrictions).
    In Armenia a similar grade scope can be built for $1000.00 each.
    Get a joint enterprise with Russia (they too buy scopes from around because domestic ones are sh I t) and make them in Armenia.
    Added bonus will be worldwide export and diversification into civilian products like binoculars, surveying/measuring equipment.
    Last edited by Hakob; 10-24-2016, 08:12 AM.

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      T-72 camo that blocks detection by thermal scopes is being tested by the army. Produced in Armenia by Polish Lubawa.

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        Զրահատեխնիկայի՝ Հայաստանում արտադրված ջերմաքողարկիչ ցանցերը փորձարկվում են զորքերում

        Posted on Հոկտեմբեր 24, 2016 by Նազենիկ Սարոյան | Leave a comment

        «Լյուբավա-Արմենիա» ընկերության՝ զրահատեխնիկայի համար նախատեսված ջերմաքողարկիչ ցանցերը զորային փորձարկումներ են անցնում հայկական զինված ուժերում: Այս մասին ընկերության ներկայացուցիչը Ռազմինֆոյին հայտնել է ArmHiTec-2016 ցուցահանդեսի ժամանակ:


        «Լյուբավա-Արմենիա» ընկերության ջերմաքողարկիչ ցանցով ծածկված Տ-72 տանկը ArmHiTec-2016 ցուցահանդեսի ժամանակ


        Ջերմաքողարկիչ ցանկը տանկը ծածկում է ամենայն մանրամասնությամբ

        Նման քողարկացանցերից մեկը ծածկում էր հենց ցուցահանդեսի մուտքի մոտ կայանած Տ-72 տանկը: Ցանցը թույլ է տալիս տանկը քողարկել ինչպես աչքի համար, այնպես էլ ջերմացույց սարքերի համար:

        Բացի այդ, ընկերության ներկայացուցիչը նշել է, որ իրենց արտադրած բազմանպատակային քողարկման ցանցերն արդեն կիրառվում են զորքերում:

        «Լյուբավա-Արմենիա» ընկերությունը ArmHiTec-2016 ցուցահանդեսին ներկայացրել էր նաև զրահաբաճկոններ, որոնք, ըստ ընկերության ներկայացուցչի, հնարավոր է ընդունվեն ՀՀ ԶՈւ սպառազինության մեջ:


        «Լյուբավա-Արմենիա» ընկերության արտադրած զրահաբաճկոնները


        «Լյուբավա-Արմենիա» ընկերության կեղծ հետևակի մարտական մեքենան

        Ցուցահանդեսին ընկերությունն իր տաղավարը բացազատել էր հենց սեփական արտադրության վրանի մեջ, որոնցից նույնպես օգտագործում են հայկական բանակում: Իսկ վրան-տաղավարի կողքին էլ ներկայացված էր ԲՄՊ-1 հետևակի մարտական մեքենայի նմանությամբ կեղծ թիրախ:

        Նշենք, որ «Լյուբավա-Արմենիա» հայ-լեհական համատեղ ռազմարդյունաբերական ձեռնարկությունը բացվել է 2014-ի հոկտեմբերին։ Ձեռնարկությունը զբաղվում է արտադրական օբյեկտների արդիականացմամբ և նորոգմամբ, ինչպես նաև արտադրում է կեղծ թիրախներ, վրաններ, սաղավարտներ, զրահաբաճկոններ, քողարկող ցանցեր ու ռազմական նշանակության այլ գույք:

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          Armenian Air Force








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            Belrussian volunteer in karabkh during the April war

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              Cadets of Monte Melkonyan Military and Sports College





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                I always thought our camo was Italiano Vegetato . Its a vegetato but looks slightly different, Am I right ?

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                  Originally posted by ASALA2116 View Post
                  I always thought our camo was Italiano Vegetato . Its a vegetato but looks slightly different, Am I right ?
                  It looks slightly different to me as well.

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                    Our special forces are wearing the normal Vegetato and the Multiland version of Vegetato. Both are from the same company - Defcon5. The instructor of the special unit of Monte Melkonyan school is wearing a different uniform. I think it's his own uniform. He has a Russian GRU Specnaz patch with the typical bat too. I think he is the "Special One" of the military school)
                    There is a page (Camopedia or something like that). There they say Armenian SF are using the new digital camouflage of russian border guard troops which look similar to Vegetato. But that's wrong. Russian new border guard camo is completly different from what our SFs are wearing

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