Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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Հեքիաթները, որ «Սոլնցեպյոկ»-ը ԼՂ-ում չի աշխատի, ռուսները թող պատմեն իրենց В гостях у сказки հաղորդմանը. Արշակ Զաքարյան

Բացասական է, որ որևէ երկիր այս պատերազմական իրավիճակում զենք է վաճառում Ադրբեջանին, լինի դա Ռուսաստանը, Իսրայելը, Մեծ Բրիտանիան, թե այլ պետություն:

Լրագրողների հետ զրույցում այս մասին ասաց կինոռեժիսոր Արշակ Զաքարյանը:

Նա նշեց, որ Ռուսաստանը, սակայն, Հայաստանի ռազմավարական դաշնակիցն է, ուստի ցավալի է, որ հակառակորդին զենք վաճառողների շարքում է:

«Սա նույնն է, որ մենք Ուկրաինային զենք վաճառենք: Երևի պիտի սկսենք վաճառել, մենք էլ բիզնես անենք…»,- ասաց Զաքարյանը:

Ինչ վերաբերում է ռազմական փորձագետների տեսակետին, թե «Սոլնցեպյոկ» տեսակի զենքը, որը ՌԴ-ն վաճառել է Ադրբեջանին, Ղարաբաղի պարագայում աշխատող չէ, Արշակ Զաքարյանը չհամաձայնեց, ասաց, որ չաշխատող զենք չկա:

«Այդ զենքը անպետք չէ, դա չի նշանակում, որ մեզ այդ զենքով չեն վնասի: Դա ռուսական արդարացումներից մեկն է, որը իրենց մեդիայով շաղ են տալիս, որ ասեն՝ դե լավ, հայեր ջան, մի նեղացեք, դա ձեզ չի վնասի: Սովորական ատրճանակն էլ զենք է ու աշխատում է: «Սոլնցեպյոկ»-ը վատ զենք չի: Էդ ինչի՞ չի աշխատի, Արցախում դաշտավայրեր չկա՞ն… Ասեք մի ռելիեֆ, որ Արցախում չկա: Մենակ ծով չկա, «Սոլնցեպյոկ»-ն էլ ծովի համար չէ, ցամաքում աշխատող է, Արցախն էլ ցամաք է, իսկ ցամաքում այն հաստատ աշխատելու է: Այնպես որ, այդ հեքիաթները թող պատմեն իրենց В гостях у сказки հաղորդման ժամանակ»,- շեշտեց նա:

Կինոռեժիսորն ասաց, որ պատերազմը չի էլ ավարտվել, այն «դանդաղ կադրերի վրա է դրված, դանդաղ ընթանում է», բայց լինելով «սանձարձակ ցեղ, ինչպես մեծ եղբայր Թուրքիան՝ Ադրբեջանը բաց չի թողնի առիթը, եթե հասկանա, որ պատրաստ է դրան»:

«Մենք ասում ենք՝ գերտերությունները թույլ չեն տալիս, որ Ադրբեջանը պատերազմ սկսի, բայց մենք տեսնում ենք Կիպրոսի օրինակը, թե ոնց են թուրքերն իրենց պահում՝ պետք եղած դեպքում ռուսական ինքնաթիռ էլ են խփում, ինչ ուզում անում են: Այդ ցեղերը մոնղոլ- թաթարներից այդպես էլ եկել են, հենց տեսան, որ հնարավոր է հափշտակել մեկի ունեցվածքը, անելու են, հիմա դրան են սպասում: Իրենք լավ հասկանում են, որ տեխնիկա ունեն ու դրանով վնաս կպատճառեն, բայց լավ գիտեն, որ մենք ենք հաղթելու»,- ասաց Արշակ Զաքարյանը:

Ըստ նրա՝ Ադրբեջանը ոչնչանալու է, եթե պատերազմ սկսի:

http://www.magnis.news/arm/news/89408/

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Պաշտպանության բանակի զինվորները

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At the rally in Baku, on the occasion of the death of the child, the demonstrators shout: "Rus, farce, Ermani, Bunlar Turkun dushmani." Which translates "Russians, Iranians (farce), Armenians, they are all enemies of the Turks"! I wonder what they think about this Russian in Baku or Talish in Baku?

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At the rally in Baku, on the occasion of the death of the child, the demonstrators shout: "Rus, farce, Ermani, Bunlar Turkun dushmani." Which translates "Russians, Iranians (farce), Armenians, they are all enemies of the Turks"! I wonder what they think about this Russian in Baku or Talish in Baku?

the russians be like...hey let's sell them more weapons to turn them to our side

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Armenian military industry
Tank Crew Training Simulator

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Solntsepek in Karabakh is useless: Ivan Konovalov

On July 10, Baku announced the receipt of a new batch of Russian weapons. Later, the Armenian military-analytical resource Razminfo on the basis of a video published by the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, said that among the delivered weapons there are about 200 missiles for the flamethrower system Solntsepek.

Solntsepek is a system designed for close combat, so it will be extremely ineffective for fighting in Karabakh, military expert Ivan Konovalov believes.

"Given the geography of the theater of operations in Karabakh, we need other systems for effective military operations. The Solntsepek system is designed for use on open territory, "Ivan Konovalov said in an interview with RUSARMINFO.

According to the Russian military expert, Sunzentek in Karabakh will be useless for Azerbaijan.

"Armenian units occupy elevated heights, so the Sun-Pepek is ineffective. In extreme cases, the system can be used on the first line of defense, and further than the first line, the use is inappropriate, "Ivan Konovalov said.

"Solntsepek" is a heavy flamethrower system (TOS) of a volley fire designed to defeat the personnel of an enemy who is in an open area or in defensive structures. The targets assigned to the TOC are destroyed by missiles equipped with various combat parts of incendiary and thermobaric action.

https://rusarminfo.ru/2017/07/10/solncepek-v-karabaxe-bespolezen-ivan-konovalov/

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Solntsepek in Karabakh is useless: Ivan Konovalov

On July 10, Baku announced the receipt of a new batch of Russian weapons. Later, the Armenian military-analytical resource Razminfo on the basis of a video published by the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, said that among the delivered weapons there are about 200 missiles for the flamethrower system Solntsepek.

Solntsepek is a system designed for close combat, so it will be extremely ineffective for fighting in Karabakh, military expert Ivan Konovalov believes.

"Given the geography of the theater of operations in Karabakh, we need other systems for effective military operations. The Solntsepek system is designed for use on open territory, "Ivan Konovalov said in an interview with RUSARMINFO.

According to the Russian military expert, Sunzentek in Karabakh will be useless for Azerbaijan.

"Armenian units occupy elevated heights, so the Sun-Pepek is ineffective. In extreme cases, the system can be used on the first line of defense, and further than the first line, the use is inappropriate, "Ivan Konovalov said.

"Solntsepek" is a heavy flamethrower system (TOS) of a volley fire designed to defeat the personnel of an enemy who is in an open area or in defensive structures. The targets assigned to the TOC are destroyed by missiles equipped with various combat parts of incendiary and thermobaric action.

https://rusarminfo.ru/2017/07/10/sol...van-konovalov/

LOL seriously?

[HyeSocialist]

LOL seriously?

Regardless, if they do get into a position where they can use it, this will be devastating.

[Hakob]

Regardless, if they do get into a position where they can use it, this will be devastating.

It's beyond doubt, azeris are going for war. This is not simple arms race for given countries capacities.
Looks like Azeris clearly see that the oil boom of 5 years ago and military superiority dream is not going to repeat for them for near future.
Maybe on the contrary, they may loose whatever edge they have.
So it's now or never. I suspect Baku may have this psychology now.
Our government cannot take excuse of not knowing.
It will be very short but too intense. Azeris will throw in all they got. One reason being the reality that our side may not go for protracted war. It is not early nineties anymore, too many players can get involved. Turkey is number one. It will not get physically involved, but will pressure Russia to stop Armenia from restoring territorial losses.
Very dangerous. Our government should get ready to stop Azeris and restore frontline within 2-3 days from start of activities.
We have to be ready to throw in what we got and smash Azeris within first few hours.
i don't know much about military tactics in this case, but seems to me we have to have forces and plans ready to start our own advance and break into azery weak areas.
Tavush region or Omar pass comes in my mind. We have to threaten their large populated areas, like Gyandza. Not by just missiles but by tanks and ground forces.
Defencive tactics may become a big disadvantage. We have to have offensive plans and works ready to spring in few hours.

[HyeSocialist]

It's beyond doubt, azeris are going for war. This is not simple arms race for given countries capacities.
Looks like Azeris clearly see that the oil boom of 5 years ago and military superiority dream is not going to repeat for them for near future.
Maybe on the contrary, they may loose whatever edge they have.
So it's now or never. I suspect Baku may have this psychology now.
Our government cannot take excuse of not knowing.
It will be very short but too intense. Azeris will throw in all they got. One reason being the reality that our side may not go for protracted war. It is not early nineties anymore, too many players can get involved. Turkey is number one. It will not get physically involved, but will pressure Russia to stop Armenia from restoring territorial losses.
Very dangerous. Our government should get ready to stop Azeris and restore frontline within 2-3 days from start of activities.
We have to be ready to throw in what we got and smash Azeris within first few hours.
i don't know much about military tactics in this case, but seems to me we have to have forces and plans ready to start our own advance and break into azery weak areas.
Tavush region or Omar pass comes in my mind. We have to threaten their large populated areas, like Gyandza. Not by just missiles but by tanks and ground forces.
Defencive tactics may become a big disadvantage. We have to have offensive plans and works ready to spring in few hours.

Exactly. The problem is, even if they get Nagorno Karabakh, it doesn't really do anything for them. There is no economic benefit from it, and even if you get Karabakh back, they're going to need to spend money for people to live there. So say hypothetically they somehow overrun Karabakh, OK. Now what? They lose all their best soldiers, lose their entire military, and then have all of NK to show for it? They're not going up against the 20k NK soldiers, but all of Armenia. I can't see anything that they gain from this.

As for what Armenia can do, I mean the only things that Armenia can do is:
1. Keep monitoring them
2. Keep the territories guarded
3. Prepare for a preemptive strike

I think what a lot of people do not understand is that Armenia is stuck in this mindset of defense. If it had a policy of offense, you would be able to tell and the Azeris wouldn't be this ballsy. We have Iskander missiles and tochkas. I think it would make absolute logical sense that the next time they do some kind of training exercise near the border, we lob over some SCUDS.

EDIT I thought about what Azerbaijan is doing. Essentially, their tactic is going ot be to flood Armenia with Anti Tank missiles, UAVs, and artillery fire to the point where Armenians "surrender" and give Azerbaijan territories. They know they can't get all of Karabalh back, but they can force to change Armenia's stance at the negotations.

Armenia needs to be able to monitor deeper into Azeri territory. Once you see a cluster of weapons, drop some SCUDS.