Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Federate]

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I really have to visit NK before it is lost. The place hasn't a chance in hell of surviving if those that fill this thread are in any way representative of those tasked with defending it.

They've been doing a great job for 20 years against all the odds, don't you worry . Go to Artsakh to see who are the men taking care of the survival and help the economy there too .

[ninetoyadome]

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and be declared persona non grata in azerbaijan

[Federate]

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and be declared persona non grata in azerbaijan

LOL! I should've thought of that one ))). Take that into consideration bell. You won't have the chance to bathe in the oil infested waters of the Caspian if you do!

[Tigranakert]

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It takes a peculiar sort of society (and person) to fantasize for the last 90 years about being butt-xxxxed by Turkey. For the first ten of those years it was possible. However, your ass is not attractive to the would-be rapist anymore. He has moved on, why don't you?

Isn't having one enemy, Azerbaijan, intent on Armenia's destruction, enough? Why do you need to decieve yourself that there is another one, and one that is 100 times more militarily powerful? It suggests to me a serious lack of concern about dealing with Azerbaijan.

If we should believe you, there is nothing wrong with Turkey. If we should believe you, Turkey till this day does not continue the destruction and/or falsification of thousands of Armenian monuments, including their fake-renovations to please some Europeans like you. If we should believe you, Turkey is not maintaing an army close to the Armenian border, ready to attack Armenia whenever they get the chance. If we should believe you, Turkey is not the biggest military sponsor/supporter of Azerbaijan, and the biggest supporter of the falsifications of Armenian history by Azerbaijan. If we should believe you, Turkey is a modern, democratic, civilized, developed country respecting human rights.

The thing is, we don't believe you. We have learned from history that the Turks, no matter how big their population is, no matter how "strong" their economy is, have always discriminated Armenians and have committed multiple genocides on our people, the Turkish "muslims" as well as the Turkish "kemalists".

You have shown your anti-Armenian viewpoint dozens of time. Shame on you, for not understanding that if a nation has lost more than 50% of it's people, and most Armenians today are missing a large part of their family, you blame Armenians on "fantasizing" Turks want to "but-xxxx" us? And you call yourself a wise intellectual? It just shows how sick you are. The sickest part is that as an non-Armenian, you waste so much time (more than 7 years now) and energy to denigrate our culture, our people, our nation, and for what purpose, what is your goal? I know. But still, does this really make you happy?

If it was up to us to "choose" how many enemies we wanted, we would have none. But unfortunately, we don't have this choice. Unfortunately, because we were civilized, because we had a culture based upon high norms and values and education, because we did not slaughter women and children, because we did not falsify history and because we are no savages, and because most of the world are the opposite, including Europeans who are themselves are good in committing genocides and siding with genocidal regimes, we are in the situation we are now.

It's a shame that on an Armenian forum, the moderators are tolerating bell-the-cat flooding all the topics with anti-Armenian and bullxxxx comments, ruining their original purpose. He should be banned. But as most Armenians are tolerant, civilized people, this doesn't happen. Only the Turks have the right to defend themselves and attack other nations. In the eyes of Europeans, Armenians are not allowed to defend themselves, let alone be on the attacking side.

[Mos]

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It's a shame that on an Armenian forum, the moderators are tolerating bell-the-cat flooding all the topics with anti-Armenian and bullxxxx comments, ruining their original purpose. He should be banned. But as most Armenians are tolerant, civilized people, this doesn't happen. Only the Turks have the right to defend themselves and attack other nations. In the eyes of Europeans, Armenians are not allowed to defend themselves, let alone be on the attacking side.

Well I wouldn't make Bell the representative of Europeans.

[Tigranakert]

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Well I wouldn't make Bell the representative of Europeans.

Of all what is posted above, this is the only sensible reply you can give? He isn't, anyway I wasn't talking about bell, but in the eyes of the "Europeans", namely the viewpoint and actions (so not words) of the European Union (England, Germany, France, etc) and PACE. How much you like Europe, Armenians have to understand that even the "democratic" Europeans don't give a damn about human rights, nor about democracy. On the contrary, a lot of European nations have done the same to other people as Turkey has done to Armenians. I would even say most of the European countries have been more pro-Turkish than pro-Armenian, even France. But of course, recognizing the Armenian genocide is enough to conquer Armenian hearts.

Armenians have to believe in themselves and not fall into the traps of the West. We only want economic relations with them, nothing more nothing less. We should built an Armenia based upon Armenian values, not "European" nor Russian. And it was the OSCE who dared to mention Armenians should withdraw their snipers. You think Europeans care that Artsakh or Nakhichevan or Eastern-Turkey is historical Armenian territory? The whole world was against Armenians during the beginning of the Artsakh war (even Russia in the beginning, but they supported us in the aftermath), they did not allow us to protect ourselves, let alone be on the attacking side. Don't be surprised. At the same time, they "closed" an eye when Turkey occupied Cyprus.

[Mos]

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Of all what is posted above, this is the only sensible reply you can give? He isn't, anyway I wasn't talking about bell, but in the eyes of the "Europeans", namely the viewpoint and actions (so not words) of the European Union (England, Germany, France, etc) and PACE. How much you like Europe, Armenians have to understand that even the "democratic" Europeans don't give a damn about human rights, nor about democracy. On the contrary, a lot of European nations have done the same to other people as Turkey has done to Armenians. I would even say most of the European countries have been more pro-Turkish than pro-Armenian, even France. But of course, recognizing the Armenian genocide is enough to conquer Armenian hearts.

Armenians have to believe in themselves and not fall into the traps of the West. We only want economic relations with them, nothing more nothing less. We should built an Armenia based upon Armenian values, not "European" nor Russian. And it was the OSCE who dared to mention Armenians should withdraw their snipers. You think Europeans care that Artsakh or Nakhichevan or Eastern-Turkey is historical Armenian territory? The whole world was against Armenians during the beginning of the Artsakh war (even Russia in the beginning, but they supported us in the aftermath), they did not allow us to protect ourselves, let alone be on the attacking side. Don't be surprised. At the same time, they "closed" an eye when Turkey occupied Cyprus.

Well the reason it seems that most of the world supports Turkey is because of their strategic value and assets that the whole world wants to take advantage of, unfortunately we do not have such assets to give, except strategic land which we have given rightly to Russia. I wouldn't write off France as anti-Armenian for example. If you look at history they've been rather favourable to Armenians given the circumstances. Armenian and Swiss relations are doing well with frequent visits and Switzerland is tough on the Genocide issue. In all, most Europeans, especially in countries with many Turks, have a negative view of Turkish people and Muslim people in general given the heavy influx of their immigration. Recently, a German film crew made a stunning film regarding Armenian Genocide called 'Aghet' with no support whatsoever from Armenians. They went into German archives and took out some very important documents to make it. So as you it's not like every European is against Armenia, or wants the destruction of Armenia. The only people who want destruction of Armenia are Turkey and Azerbaijan. European politicians are mostly looking out for themselves and wanting to have steady relations with Turkey - this can be said about Iran and Russia also who wish to maintain friendly ties with Turkey, not a surprise really.

[ninetoyadome]

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Azerbaijan: Baku’s Satellite Deal Sends Armenian Diaspora Groups into Orbit
May 6, 2011 - 1:41pm, by Joshua Kucera
Armenia Azerbaijan United States Communications Satellite Karabakh
The United States is going to finance Azerbaijan's first communications satellite, despite objections from some US-based Armenian groups that argue it could be used for military purposes.

The US Export-Import Bank, an agency of the US government, has agreed to finance Baku's purchase of the AzerSat satellite from the US manufacturer Orbital. The satellite will cost $120 million, of which 85 percent will be paid by funds loaned through the bank and repaid by Azerbaijan over the next 10 years.

Some Armenian groups in the United States protested the deal, arguing that Azerbaijan could use the satellite for military purposes, especially in connection with Baku’s long-standing efforts to regain control over Nagorno-Karabakh.

“The Obama Administration's business-as-usual attitude toward Azerbaijan effectively lends moral and material support to President Ilham Aliyev's increasingly loud and public threats to use every resource at his disposal to renew Baku's war against Nagorno-Karabakh,” said Aram Hamparian, executive director of the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA). “Americans should not be providing export financing, military support, or any other type of assistance to an unapologetically belligerent government that, in just the past few weeks, threatened to shoot down a civilian Armenian airliner.”

Azerbaijan, however, has given no indication that it intends to use the satellite for anything other than commercial communications. It will be operated by the Ministry of Communications, and Ex-Im Bank representatives said they examined the contract for the satellite and concluded that there would be no military application for the satellite. “Following a comprehensive review of the facts, consultation with relevant US Government agencies and a thorough evaluation of the project, Ex-Im Bank has determined that the Azerspace/Africasat 1A satellite does not represent a defense article,” wrote the bank's president and chairman, Fred Hochberg, in an April 26 letter to the ANCA.

“The satellite is not equipped with military-grade communications technology, it's going to be in a geosynchronous orbit, it's going to rebroadcast radio frequency messages that are on channels from the providers or senders to the end users via commercial frequency bands,” Phil Cogan, a spokesman for the bank, told EurasiaNet.org. “The government of Azerbaijan has notified us that the Ministry of Defense wasn't involved in the development, nor will it be engaged in the operation of this satellite.”

Satellite experts surveyed by EurasiaNet.org said that the line between commercial and military satellite communications is often blurry, and militaries can use commercial communications satellites, albeit not as effectively as they would satellites designed specifically for military applications. “There is no precise definition of a military communications satellite from a capability standpoint,” and much depends on individual countries' policies and laws, said Brian Weeden, a former US Air Force officer working on space issues, now a technical adviser at the Secure World Foundation, a space policy advocacy group.

The US military, for example, uses commercial communications satellites to control and get data from unmanned drones, and for secure military cell phone networks. And a country that has its own satellite, even a commercial one, could provide advantage to its military, said an Air Force officer who spoke to EurasiaNet.org on condition of anonymity. “You're guaranteed access, you're guaranteed communications,” the officer said.

Ex-Im Bank cannot release the details of the contract that ensure that it won't be used for military purposes, Cogan said. But he said that financing military projects violates the charter of the bank and that if it finds out that Azerbaijan is using the satellite for military purposes, they could take “recourse” against the country, without specifying what those measures are.

The satellite is scheduled to be launched toward the end of 2012 by the French company Arianespace, at its facility in French Guiana.

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63437

[ArmeniaR1]

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Armenia president visits Karabakh airport

Serzh Sargsyan has inspected construction work at the airport in the Karabakh capital Stepanakert

The Armenian president did not fly in to the airport, however, as it is not yet open to civil flights.

The leader of Karabakh's separatist government, Bako Sahakyan, met the Armenian president at the airport and the two leaders inspected the airport complex, Armenian news agency Mediamax reported.

Karabakh's civil aviation administration had said that the airport would open on 9 May, but the opening was postponed. The de facto Karabakh government denied that 9 May had ever been set as the official opening date.

When Armenia announced that civil aircraft would fly to Karabakh, Azerbaijan responded that the flights would be illegal, as Karabakh is Azerbaijani territory.

The rhetoric got heated with talk of shooting down aircraft, but both sides since toned down their remarks. The OSCE Minsk Group, mediating a settlement to the Karabakh conflict, expressed concern that the planned opening of the airport could lead to further increased tensions.

Serzh Sargsyan arrived in Karabakh on Friday to take part in celebrations to mark Victory Day for the Karabakh Armenian forces and the capture of the town of Shusha, which are marked on 9 May.

The fall of Shusha to Armenian forces marked a turning point in the war in the early 1990s to wrest Karabakh from Azerbaijani control.

News.az

[ArmeniaR1]

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