Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Tigranakert]

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You don't want to mess with the guy in orange, good speech by the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwUhHxGLX34

[Mos]

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You don't want to mess with the guy in orange, good speech by the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwUhHxGLX34

Nice video - good speech by the man in orange!

[burjuin]

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D-44:

[Odysseus]

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Hello guys, Ive been keeping a bookmark on this page for a long long time. interesting stuff. May i request some pictures of the Armenian made rifles and SMgs? there seems to be no pictures available online. Im sorry i can not contribute much i dont have any pictures of Armenian army.

[burjuin]

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ATGM 9K115 Metis:

[burjuin]

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[Federate]

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So why did the winning side sign this piece of toilet paper again? This has got to be the absolute WORST ceasefire agreement in the history of ceasefire agreements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishkek_Protocol
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The Bishkek Protocol
Bishkek, 5 May 1994

[unofficial translation]

Participants of the meeting held in May 4-5 in Bishkek on the initiative of the CIS Inter-Parliamentary Assembly, Parliament of Kyrgyz Republic, Federal Congress and Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation:

express determination to assist in all possible ways to the cessation of armed conflict in and around Nagorno Karabakh, which does not only cause irretrievable losses to Azerbaijani and Armenian people, but also significantly affects the interests of other countries in the region and seriously complicates the international situation;

supporting the April 15, 1994 Statement by the CIS Council of heads of states, express readiness to fully support the efforts by heads and representatives of executive power on cessation of the armed conflict and liquidation of its consequences by reaching an appropriate agreement as soon as possible;

advocate a naturally active role of the Commonwealth and Inter-Parliamentary Assembly in cessation of the conflict, in realization of thereupon principles, goals and the UN and OSCE certain decisions (first of all the UN Security Council resolutions 822, 853, 874, 884);

call upon the conflicting sides to come to common senses: cease to fire at the midnight of May 8 to 9, guided by the February 18, 1994 Protocol (including the part on allocating observers), and work intensively to confirm this as soon as possible by signing a reliable, legally binding agreement envisaging a mechanism, ensuring the non-resumption of military and hostile activities, withdrawal of troops from occupied territories and restoration of communication, return of refugees;

agree to suggest Parliaments of the CIS member-states to discuss the initiative by Chairman of Council of the Inter-Parliamentary Assembly V. Shumeyko and Head of the Assembly’s Peacemaking Group on Nagorno Karabakh M. Sherimkulov on creating a CIS peacemaking force;

consider appropriate to continue such meetings for peaceful resolution of the armed conflict;

express gratitude to the people and leadership of Kyrgyzstan for creating excellent working conditions, cordiality and hospitality.

ON BEHALF OF DELEGATIONS:

A. Jalilov
(signed by R. Guliyev, Chairman of the Azerbaijani Supreme Soviet)

K. Babourian
(Chairman of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic Supreme Soviet)

B. Ararktsian
(Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of Armenia)

V. Shumeyko
(Chairman of the Council of Federation of Russia)

M. Sherimkulov
(Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of Kyrgyzstan)

V. Kazimirov
(Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation, Head of the Russian Mediation Mission)

M. Krotov
(Head of the Secretariat of the Council of the Inter-Parliamentary Assembly of member states)

[Odysseus]

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^ well i think That shows Armenia's willingness to cooperate on the issue whereas Azeri officials demand an all or nothing approach. Armenia withdraws its troops. but Karabakh still has its own army, and they cant make us withdraw them because its that countries Army. sure its a rubbish Ceasefire treaty, but even when the Azeris think Armenia loses, Armenians win. They look better in international community.

[KarotheGreat]

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I think this would go both ways, with Armenians being able to return back to their homes and Azeris giving back lands that they have occupied. You have to look at everything from the reality of that time, Armenia had won, Armenians could reach Baku if they wanted and independence was within their reach.

[Federate]

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^ well i think That shows Armenia's willingness to cooperate on the issue whereas Azeri officials demand an all or nothing approach. Armenia withdraws its troops. but Karabakh still has its own army, and they cant make us withdraw them because its that countries Army. sure its a rubbish Ceasefire treaty, but even when the Azeris think Armenia loses, Armenians win. They look better in international community.

By withdrawal of troops, they can't possibly mean the Armenian army since it was not a belligerant during the war. They mean the withdrawal of the Artsakh army. The inclusion of the term "occupied territories" is not a neutral wording of a ceasefire agreement and we can't possibly be serious that refugees will return to their homes. I can't imagine any Armenian ever being able to live in Azerbaijan again openly as an Armenian.

I think this would go both ways, with Armenians being able to return back to their homes and Azeris giving back lands that they have occupied. You have to look at everything from the reality of that time, Armenia had won, Armenians could reach Baku if they wanted and independence was within their reach.

Yes and despite our superior position at the signing of this ceasefire, we managed to agree to the term "withdrawal of troops from occupied territories"? It is clearly aimed at the Artsakh defense forces and the territory formerly surrounding the ex-NKAO. Besides Shahumyan, there's really nowhere Armenians will "return" to, especially not Baku and they should not. Though it does not name which nationality, it is clear the refugee mention is again aimed at Azeri refugees .