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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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    Pashinyan made this decision following my recommendation after a thorough and comprehensive assessment was made about where we stood.
    This decision was absolutely necessary. — Head of the General Stab of Armenia, Onik Gasparyan
    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJwMucuRIMY

      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        Can you give us a few instances of your description.
        You have to pretend you are still virgin? Here is some info that even the turkish/Arabic news outlet figured it out.

        Oct 09 2020 <<<

        "The scholar highlighted Russia’s reluctance to support Armenia outside of military resupplying due to its distaste for Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who criticised Armenia’s dependence on Russia when he was in the political opposition.

        One of Pashinyan’s pre-election promises when he came to power following a series of anti-government protests that unseated a Moscow-friendly administration was to reduce Armenia’s reliance on Russia.

        “It is possible that Moscow will wait until Azerbaijan achieves certain territorial gains to weaken Pashinyan in Armenia and then use its own influence in (the capital) Yerevan to oust him and install another Armenian leader more pliable to Russia’s wishes,” Cutler said."

        https://ahvalnews.com/nagorno-karaba...nister-scholar

        I am assuming that picture is of you holding a sign for Putin to go and F himself. Classy person! Since we lost Artsakh maybe we should call Sir Elon John and Charlie to come back and tell us about western open societies. It is working for us as long we keep feeding territories to the turkic and their british interest.

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        • Originally posted by Azad View Post

          I am assuming that picture is of you holding a sign for Putin to go and F himself. Classy person! Since we lost Artsakh maybe we should call Sir Elon John and Charlie to come back and tell us about western open societies. It is working for us as long we keep feeding territories to the turkic and their british interest.
          That is definately not me.

          I am a much more private person, I full well know any picture put on the internet will stay there till iternaty.

          Bytheway I have a son who probably is the same age that idiot holding that placard with an impotent slogan on it.

          I do not know but if that picture was put there linking it to my username !! ( without an avatar ), ... all I say its some idiot who cannot debate or express himself is resorting to discrediting.
          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          • In short, in order to survive in that environment, unfortunately, we need a strong leader that will keep us in the Russian sphere of influence. Not that hard!
            Most likely sometimes soon Pashinyan just like Saakashvili he will be chewing his tie on his way out. Who will he be replaced with? Good luck to us and irrelevant, since Artsakh is lost for good just like Nakhichevan.

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            • Originally posted by Azad View Post

              You have to pretend you are still virgin? Here is some info that even the turkish/Arabic news outlet figured it out.

              Oct 09 2020 <<<

              "The scholar highlighted Russia’s reluctance to support Armenia outside of military resupplying due to its distaste for Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who criticised Armenia’s dependence on Russia when he was in the political opposition.

              One of Pashinyan’s pre-election promises when he came to power following a series of anti-government protests that unseated a Moscow-friendly administration was to reduce Armenia’s reliance on Russia.

              “It is possible that Moscow will wait until Azerbaijan achieves certain territorial gains to weaken Pashinyan in Armenia and then use its own influence in (the capital) Yerevan to oust him and install another Armenian leader more pliable to Russia’s wishes,” Cutler said."

              https://ahvalnews.com/nagorno-karaba...nister-scholar

              Firstly Ahval news although funded by the Emirates is edited by a Turk.
              It is purpose is to bypass Erdogan’s censorship and not in any way criticizing Turkic aspirations.
              Therefore I am surprised you give it so much credibility.

              With news provided it can be “reliable” since its verifiable, but commentary ??? NO !!

              Kocharyan was Russia friendly but Sargsyan was a non entity. Do not think he was much respected by the Russians but very useful.

              Having multiple source of military supplies is no bad thing. Pity our finances did not even impress our cheapest supplier.
              Do you remember when we were trying the raise a $200 loan with a begging bowl to pay the Russians for weapons.

              I also wonder with Karabagh conflict hanging round our neck, who actually made a security treaty with Russia excluding Karabagh.

              Who formulated the Madrid principles and who tried to change it and who played for time with it until it was too late.



              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • Originally posted by Azad View Post
                In short, in order to survive in that environment, unfortunately, we need a strong leader that will keep us in the Russian sphere of influence. Not that hard!
                Most likely sometimes soon Pashinyan just like Saakashvili he will be chewing his tie on his way out. Who will he be replaced with? Good luck to us and irrelevant, since Artsakh is lost for good just like Nakhichevan.
                Our challenge is to compete with Russia-Turkey, “friendship”, cooperation, common interests etc.
                We can only rely on treaties, they are just a piece of paper.

                After the Russian Georgian war, Saakashvili was complaining that when he produced
                an agreement document between the relevant parties for Georgia’s rights, Putin told him literally to stick it up his arse in front of all involved.


                I rest my case.
                Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                • Originally posted by Azad View Post
                  In short, in order to survive in that environment, unfortunately, we need a strong leader that will keep us in the Russian sphere of influence. Not that hard!
                  Most likely sometimes soon Pashinyan just like Saakashvili he will be chewing his tie on his way out. Who will he be replaced with? Good luck to us and irrelevant, since Artsakh is lost for good just like Nakhichevan.

                  Sahakashvilli promised to get rid of Russians from his country and take Georgia to west and Nato.
                  Pashinian repeatedly declared that he will strengthen Armenia Russia cooperation and ties. He has not reneged on any agreement or expectations from moscow.
                  Why don’t you guys say the truth???
                  Putin’s Russia is an oligarchic quazy feudal country based on morbid corruption. And as such It will never stand any democratic or human rights focused country that falls under its circle of influence. It’s as a mortal treat to Russia and its sistem. Russia will not accept any leader in Armenia other than Robert or Serjik type and morbidly corrupt government.
                  Even LTP was not corrupt enough for Russia.
                  But even with Serjik in power Russia was treating Armenia as a rag under its feet.
                  Last edited by Hakob; 11-12-2020, 05:58 PM.

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                  • You guys are so stuck with this equation if one does not like Pashinyan’s policy they should be pro Robert or Serjik. I care less for these corrupt apes and even more for that weak idiot that has no clue what he is doing. Also, do not fool yourself for the West not being corrupt. Look at Trump and his family making millions from Arabs. Biden's son making millions from Ukraine. Hillary and her foundation pay to play. Brits? their whole country is a money shelter for the likes of aliyev. So keep viewing Russia as corrupt and the rest of the world is some democratic valued of an open book of utopia.

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                    • Originally posted by Hakob View Post


                      Sahakashvilli promised to get rid of Russians from his country and take Georgia to west and Nato.
                      Pashinian repeatedly declared that he will strengthen Armenia Russia cooperation and ties. He has not reneged on any agreement or expectations from moscow.
                      Why don’t you guys say the truth???
                      Putin’s Russia is an oligarchic quazy feudal country based on morbid corruption. And as such It will never stand any democratic or human rights focused country that falls under its circle of influence. It’s as a mortal treat to Russia and its sistem. Russia will not accept any leader in Armenia other than Robert or Serjik type and morbidly corrupt government.
                      Even LTP was not corrupt enough for Russia.
                      But even with Serjik in power Russia was treating Armenia as a rag under its feet.
                      If we are to look to the facts, here's what I see:
                      1/ Since the first day russian foot stepped on Armenian soil in XVIII cent, our factual presence (depending provinces a majority, as relative majority or very seizable minority) on our milenial homeland reduced from 400.000 Kmē to now less than 30.000.

                      2/ Our blind russophilia gave Russia the possibility to pay its partners/rivals (most of the time the Turks) at our expense, regardless ouf our vital interests. From a russian point of view, we are not even supposed to have any, other than any servant. No matter how they behaved, anyway we will remain willingly their slaves, due to our russophilia, they just had to entertain by falsified history books and propagandists.

                      3/ It is a fact now, that Erdogan's Turkey is by far stronger than Putin's Russia. As a symbol of that basic reality, the openly humiliating shootings of the Su 24 in Syria, their Ambassador in Ankara, and days back, of their Mi 24 in Nakhitchevan. Russia could only smile to the spit on its face, and said it was just raining.

                      4/ The legend of the might of russian armement, just blow up against western Nato technology at the disposal of the Turks. No matter the russian justifications, russian arms are good, as long as they do not face Nato standards. ( russian arms humiliation in Syria, Lybia, and now Artsakh: The mighty Pantsirs, Tors and S300 were just harmless targets against western technology, no matter russian justifications.... not reminding ME previous wars of the 70-90 s).

                      5/ Russia thinks it ends victorious, by placing its occupation troops in tiny Artsakh made undefendable, a its mercy, keeping a blackmail possibility on Armenia and Azerbaijan indefinitely. It is a stupid calculus, since Azerbaijan is long ago a turkish province, and the Armenian presence in the tiny enclave around Stepanakert will not last long... at the end of the day Armenians will face reality of the total loss of Artsakh due to Russia, and exclusively Russia, the turks being just the turks. Someday Armenia will finally accept its huge loss, call a cat a cat, turn to the west, specifically the US, and get the hell of the russian yoke from the last remaining parcel of Armenian land, before it is too late. Since it is just a matter of time, for Russia to sell an other part of this tiny remaining land for a barter with the Turks. They sold Garin twice, Kars in 1920, Van in 1915, etc..... now Shushi. Russia will never accept Armenia as an actor, 250 years must be enough....

                      6/ They exchanged Idlib for Artsakh! What a bright deal.... we will see if there will still be a russian in Syria in 20 years time.

                      7/ Once Armenia lost, they will have to make deals with the Turks in Crimea or Samara... we will have no interest blocking the turkish communications to Baku via Nakhitchevan, since that's what they imposed to us on their capitulation diktat. Georgia will be paid in due too.....

                      8/ Last fact about legends of Turkish Russian wars and deals: If we call a cat a cat, from day 1, since those 2 are flirting, by today: only Crimea was lost by the ottomans to Russia, but Russia lost Azerbaijan, Artsakh's most parts, Nakhitchevan and Surmalu to the turks (those were previously Persian provinces), and has a chimerical presence in Syria that is doomed anyway. Who's stronger at the end of the day?

                      9/ Our last chance, face the reality, no matter its bitterness. Accept that Russia is as dangerous if not more than the turks. Do whatever it takes, using at its maximum our US community's ties, to garantee a direct US protectorat on our remaining 29.000 Kmē, integrate modern western economy, work day and night, as the chinese, train and equip our entire population, no holidays in Turkey, Georgia, or Russia.... and hope for a better day when Russia or Turkey will crumble.

                      10/ We liberate lands when Russia is weeker, we loose when Russia thinks it is strong enough to sell us....

                      11/ The strong and malicious Putin managed to loose Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Serbia, and now Belorussia and soon Armenia. His might is Brejniev's might when entering Afganistan. We all do have good russian friends, but sadly, Russia as an empire is our existential enemy. Let's face it.
                      Last edited by Vrej1915; 11-12-2020, 10:02 PM.

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