Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[HyeFighter2]

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hey guys i have 1 question,i need hellp,in my school there is one azeri guy he is 16 year old,when iam 15! did i gonna tuch him or let to be??? xorhurde petq im yexbayrner!

[Vardan]

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hey guys i have 1 question,i need hellp,in my school there is one azeri guy he is 16 year old,when iam 15! did i gonna tuch him or let to be??? xorhurde petq im yexbayrner!

Doing nothing, it is an animal in danger of extinction

[Joseph]

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Another Azerbaijani soldier is dead
BY TIMES.AM AT 13 OCTOBER, 2011, 1:10 PM

The next incident is recorded in Azerbaijani Army.

According to the Azerbaijani media, the soldier Orhan Samedli fell from high point while he was making restoration.

He was hospitalized and his situation was terrible.

Anyway, doctors did not manage to save his life. No other details of the case are informed.

/Times.am/

[arakeretzig]

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Another Azerbaijani soldier is dead
BY TIMES.AM AT 13 OCTOBER, 2011, 1:10 PM

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Anyway, doctors did not manage to save his life. No other details of the case are informed.

/Times.am/

not a good year for baboon.

[Joseph]

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Funny!

Armenian side is ready to assist Azerbaijan
BY TIMES.AM AT 13 OCTOBER, 2011, 1:54 PM

ANS Press informed that Azerbaijani side decided to build a wall of three km length on the contact line between Armenian and Azerbaijani troops on the direction of Akna (Aghdam). Azerbaijani side explained this decision as attempt “to protect the peace population from the fire”.

Armenian side announced that it was ready to assist Azerbaijan with everything possible to build the wall.

“And not only three km but on the whole length of the contact line, in order to see each other,” fellow-worker of the Artsakh Defense Army announced during the conversation with “Nezavisimaya gazeta” (“Independent newspaper”).

At the same time he noted that it would be cheaper for Azerbaijanis just to take the snipers from the contact line. “But despite of the all applications by the mediators they do not do it and we have to respond them.”

/Times.am/

[londontsi]

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Funny!

Armenian side is ready to assist Azerbaijan
BY TIMES.AM AT 13 OCTOBER, 2011, 1:54 PM

ANS Press informed that Azerbaijani side decided to build a wall of three km length on the contact line between Armenian and Azerbaijani troops on the direction of Akna (Aghdam). Azerbaijani side explained this decision as attempt “to protect the peace population from the fire”.

Armenian side announced that it was ready to assist Azerbaijan with everything possible to build the wall.

“And not only three km but on the whole length of the contact line, in order to see each other,” fellow-worker of the Artsakh Defense Army announced during the conversation with “Nezavisimaya gazeta” (“Independent newspaper”).

At the same time he noted that it would be cheaper for Azerbaijanis just to take the snipers from the contact line. “But despite of the all applications by the mediators they do not do it and we have to respond them.”

/Times.am/

Now the picture getting clearer.

BAKU UPS DEFENSE BUDGET SHOCKED OVER MILITARY PARADE IN ARMENIA

PanARMENIAN.Net
October 12, 2011 - 20:12 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - Azerbaijan's draft budget for 2012 envisages
allocation of $1.77 bln to defence sector, increasing the share by 1.9%
against last year.

Azerbaijan's budget for 2011, revised upwards in May, allocates AZN
1,364,796,025 ($1.74bn) to direct military spending.
.....

Why do we always underestimate the baboons?

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[Tigranakert]

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First I want to thank burjuin for his contributions on this forum, especially regarding all the photo material of the Armenian army.

But I want to ask burjuin (the rest of the members and the moderators), not to spam this topic with hundreds of irrelevant photos of the Armenian army. This topic is made to discuss the military balance, and if the photos are showing new equipment relevant concerning the military balance, then you should post it here. Otherwise, on multiple occasions, important information being posted in this topic is lost and people do not read it as the topic is being spammed by dozens of photos.

I made a special topic for the photos of the Armenian army, called the Military Forces of the Republic of Armenia. Click here.

[Tigranakert]

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Again:

First I want to thank burjuin for his contributions on this forum, especially regarding all the photo material of the Armenian army.

But I want to ask burjuin (the rest of the members and the moderators), not to spam this topic with hundreds of irrelevant photos of the Armenian army. This topic is made to discuss the military balance, and if the photos are showing new equipment relevant concerning the military balance, then you should post it here. Otherwise, on multiple occasions, important information being posted in this topic is lost and people do not read it as the topic is being spammed by dozens of photos.

I made a special topic for the photos of the Armenian army, called the Military Forces of the Republic of Armenia. Click here.

[Haykakan]

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OLD MISSILES TURNED OUT TO BE YOUNG
by Svetlana Gamova

DEFENSE and SECURITY (Russia)
October 10, 2011 Monday

THE ENDING OF THE SCANDAL RELATED TO THE AIRPLANE FROM LIBYA THAT
TRANSPORTED MISSILES FROM MOLDOVA TO ARMENIA WAS AS LOUD AS ITS
BEGINNING; Mass media of Chisinau published a new list of the Moldovan
armament sold to Armenia. Contrary to assurances of the Moldovan
officials, they turned out to be not outmoded but quite combat capable.

Mass media of Chisinau published a new list of the sold Moldovan
armament. Contrary to assurances of the Moldovan officials, they
turned out to be not outmoded but quite combat capable.

Journalists understood that not everything was in order with the
"Libyan airplane" at the very start when it landed in the airport
of the Moldovan capital on September 12. First, this was a military
airplane and it arrived from Benghazi second, it flew to the military
airport in Marculesti almost immediately and departed from there
being loaded.

The Defense Ministry of Moldova explained afterwards that armament
with expired service life was onboard. According to the ministry,
the cargo was addressed to "one Latvian company" registered in Riga
that was not named due to the reason of "commercial secrecy." However,
there appeared new information: Defense Minister of Moldova Vitalie
Marinuta reported in the parliament, although without disclosure of
commercial secrets, that the armament was intended for Armenia. Then
the Foreign Ministry of Azerbaijan invited Ambassador of Moldova
in Baku Igor Bodiu to provide explanations. After the meeting with
representatives of the Azerbaijani authorities he announced that the
loud deal with the Moldovan armament supplied to Armenia was nothing
more than a "sad mistake" that nonetheless "brought an unpleasant
aspect to our bilateral relations." Expert of the Geneva center for
democratic control over armed forces Viorel Cibotaru confirmed that
the armament was sold to Armenia. Cibotaru also said that the deal
was legitimate and the cargo included missiles.

In any case, it seems that the government will have to explain to
the government and the public why the armament has been sold to a
zone with a frozen conflict. OMEGA agency also reported referring
to its source in the Ministry of Economy that the difference between
the value of the contract and the market price of the sold armament
was not less than $5 million. This meant that the products were sold
cheaply. According to the agency, the secretly sold lot included some
of the most expensive armament models of the national army. Among them
were control and checking systems 9V862 and 9V863 of Cobra missiles,
as well as 9V871-3 for antitank missile systems Konkurs-M. The market
price of each of these systems exceeds $60,000. The lot also included
thousands of missiles xxxot, Konkurs, Shturm-S and Metis. The market
value of only these specifications of the sold armament exceeds $5
million. Besides these types of armament the contract also included
launchers for antitank missiles that, according to the document of
the Defense Ministry, were also sold at an obviously undervalued price.

[Tigranakert]

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Long live the Russian Federation and their fair and honest media!

RUSSIA TODAY

The ‘Great Wall’ of Karabakh
By Yury Roks

The next meeting between the presidents of Azerbaijan and Armenia may take place under the mediation of French President Nikolas Sarkozy. This announcement was made Wednesday by Azerbaijani sources, who specified that the proposal was made during the French leader’s recent visit to the region and that it had been discussed and approved by the presidents of Russia and the United States. However, a spokesman for Armenia’s Foreign Affairs Ministry categorically denied the information: “Azerbaijan has been acting strange lately.”
One of the things the Armenian diplomat considered to be strange was Azerbaijan’s ANS Press reports about a wall which is being erected along the line of contact with the armed forces of Nagorno-Karabakh. The stone structure will stretch for almost 3 kilometers in Tatar District in order to “protect the residents of Azerbaijani villages from Armenian bullets.”

Armenia has expressed a readiness to provide assistance in the construction of the wall. “And not just for 3 kilometers, but along the entire border – so that they do not see us, and we don’t see them,” an officer of the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army told Nezavisimaya Gazeta (NG). He added that “it would have been cheaper and easier for the Azerbaijanis to remove their snipers, but despite the recommendations made by the mediators, they are not – and we are forced to respond to fire with fire.” “On the other hand, they have plenty of petro-dollars – they want a wall, let there be a wall,” said the source.

Though a wall can always be erected, the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, Hadrian’s Wall, or even the Incas’ mysterious walls at Sacsayhuaman ultimately could not withstand the test of time. Another attempt to break through the wall of animosity between Azerbaijanis and Armenians will be made by the co-chairmen of the OSCE Minsk Group before the end of October. According to the foreign affairs minister of Azerbaijan, Elmar Mamedyarov, the mediators’ visit “will be aimed at searching for a compromise between the conflicting sides.” However, it seems that in reality Baku does not believe the forthcoming meeting will be productive.

On Tuesday, the assistant secretary of the Security Department of Azerbaijan’s Foreign Affairs Ministry, Elchin Guseinli, said that the co-chairmen of the OSCE Minsk Group are creating the possibility of artificially prolonging the Karabakh conflict. “The Minsk Group has been carrying an important responsibility for 20 years, but the co-chairmen still do not feel like they are… The passive attitude of the OSCE Minsk Group toward conflict regulation could undermine the authority of this organization in the Caucasus,” Guseinli said at a conference in Baku which was jointly organized by the interstate GUAM alliance (Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Moldova) and the Baltic Assembly (inter-parliamentary organization of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia).

In Guseinli’s opinion, the Karabakh conflict and the conflicts in Georgia threaten international security, and the OSCE Minsk Group, “instead of supporting the just position of Azerbaijan… prefers to cooperate with Armenia.” Guseinli complained about Armenia’s close military and political ties with Russia, which are “a reason for instability in the region,” and accused Erevan of violating its international obligations: the arms and the military personnel of Armenia are allegedly exceeding the limits set forth in international treaties, which indicates that Armenia is getting ready for war, whereas “Azerbaijan is using its acquired weapons for the protection of its energy infrastructure.” The validity of these claims will need to be determined by the assistant secretary of state for arms control, Rose Gottemoeller, who will inspect the South Caucasus countries during a visit October 14-19.

In the meantime, Mikhail Aleksandrov, an expert with the Institute of CIS, declared Guseinli’s statements to be illogical. “It is strange hearing Azerbaijan accuse Armenia of being engaged in an arms race,” he said. “Baku is the one provoking it and flaunting its military budget. Baku is the one insisting that a military solution to the problem is possible. Azerbaijan should reconsider its approach – the standard of living in the country is not high to the point of being able to spend such resources on the military.”

Aleksandrov also criticized the Azerbaijani official’s claims regarding the creation of a regional imbalance as a result of Russia and Armenia’s strategic partnership. “To the contrary, Armenian-Russian ties support a balance of forces,” Aleksandrov said. “With its presence in the South Caucasus, Russia is creating a counterbalance to Turkey, Iran and preventing the West from getting access to the region, including military. If it wasn’t for Russia, the South Caucasus would be in a similar situation as we are observing in Syria or Libya today.”

As for the accusations directed at the OSCE Minsk Group of creating obstacles to conflict resolution, the political scientist believes that “it is simply pressure to persuade mediators to side with Baku.” “Conflict settlement is possible only if both sides decide to compromise, but Azerbaijan has no intention to yield and blames the OSCE,” Aleksandrov said. “It wants to gain everything back in the same shape as it was in before the collapse of the Soviet Union, which is impossible. Baku must recognize Nagorno-Karabakh’s independence in exchange for seven districts around it – this option is still available, but might also become unrealizable in another 10 years.”

“The OSCE is the only institution working on European security, and it does not matter whether Azerbaijan likes it or not… The bellicose rhetoric of Baku is at odds with OSCE policy – neither Europe nor the United States wants a new war in the Caucasus,” said Anatoly Tsyganok, head of the Military Forecasting Center at the Institute of Political and Military Analysis. “Azerbaijan will hardly be able to go outside of the Minsk Group format. Despite some shortcomings, the OSCE has strong positions. It’s worth mentioning that the conflict itself and its settlement process do not solely depend on Azerbaijan, but also on Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh, and partially Russia, Iran and Turkey.”

Yes, Armenians. Read this thoroughly. Especially for all the Russophobes.

“To the contrary, Armenian-Russian ties support a balance of forces,” Aleksandrov said. “With its presence in the South Caucasus, Russia is creating a counterbalance to Turkey, Iran and preventing the West from getting access to the region, including military. If it wasn’t for Russia, the South Caucasus would be in a similar situation as we are observing in Syria or Libya today.”

I again state, without the Russian Federation, Armenia would be annahilated by the Azerbaijanis and the Turks, with FULL support of the West. As long as the Russian Federation has interests in Armenia, we should use this potential till the max. We should understand there are pro-Western agents trying to create anti-Russian sentiments in Armenia, and we should all counter this, as this will lead to the destruction of the Armenian state. Ofcourse, Armenia should build good relations with every country in the world, nobody is against that, the point is we should improve and develop our relations with Russians, something a small group of Western fanatics (together with Azeris and Turks) want to destroy.