Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

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Armenian Army:

[Hovo]

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Paterazmic Heto

[ArmeniaSacra]

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9K720 Iskander ?
what else can be long-range and accurate? a Mig-29?

Probably some SMERCHs, I hope Iskanders...MiG-29s are actually short range air superiority fighters. I don't think the minister was talking about aircrafts.

If we see the missile forces head to head:

Tochka-U vs Tochka-U
WM-80 vs SMERCH
BM-21 vs BM-21s + Lynx

If we really purchased Uragans from Moldova...then we have removed the "lynx" factor...we need to get some SMERCHs to keep up with the destructive power of theirs. While if we get Iskanders...Man that would be a game changer!!

[arakeretzig]

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Probably some SMERCHs, I hope Iskanders...MiG-29s are actually short range air superiority fighters. I don't think the minister was talking about aircrafts.

If we see the missile forces head to head:

Tochka-U vs Tochka-U
WM-80 vs SMERCH
BM-21 vs BM-21s + Lynx

If we really purchased Uragans from Moldova...then we have removed the "lynx" factor...we need to get some SMERCHs to keep up with the destructive power of theirs. While if we get Iskanders...Man that would be a game changer!!

if it's SMERCHes, then ohanyan is using the word long-range wrong, even Scud-B is not long-range, we could even have Smerch this moment, they're just being hushy about it as always. let's hope for Iskanders!

[Tigranakert]

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Armenia is almost permanently facing the menace of war. However, the subtle state policy made possible to achieve incredible results: both Russia and NATO take part in the country's protection. Russian military base located in the town of Gumri became part of Southern Military District, having settled against the dull background of Armenian landscape until 2044. However, cooperation with NATO remains a priority for Armenian defense in the long-term outlook.

Russian base in Gumri has become part of Southern Military District as a result of the RF administrative division reform. Only four military districts have been established instead of the initially planned six ones. Southern District includes all the Russian military bases in the Caucasus located beyond the country frontiers. Besides Gumri, these are bases in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

The military base in Armenia performs the same functions as the similar strategic objects in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The theory and practice of the Gumri base operation was taken by the newly-recognized states as a basis.

Yerevan achieved great success in creating a defense system at someone else's expense. However, Armenians did not forget about their own armed forces. Now they've got everything: Russian troops guarding the entire perimeter of the Armenian border, NATO, which is necessary to cool Baku down and, of course, their own mission capable army.

Cooperation with Russia in the field of defense is sure a priority for Yerevan. According to the latest social research, 90% of Armenian citizens support the agreement on the Russian military base presence in the territory of the country until 2044.

Sure, for the base in Gumri has been set up not for mere intimidation: it also performs the function of guarding the border with Turkey and now the whole perimeter of the country. It means that Russian troops are to take over the watch along the border with Azerbaijan in the nearest future. So far, no one can imagine the way it will look like, for there is no clearly marked border with Azerbaijan on the map. Having won the Karabakh war, Armenians shifted the border no less than one hundred kilometers eastward.

Wherever the Russian troops are dislocated, Armenians will get another defensive echelon in case of an unexpected intrusion or anything worse, such intrusion being always possible in a powder keg like Armenia because of the Karabakh conflict.

These days, Baku and Yerevan have exchanged harsh statements. On Sunday, President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev again stated that Baku is capable of solving the Karabakh problem by force at any time and the next day, Minister of Defense of Armenia Seiran Oganyan retorted: "Armenian army will force Azerbaijan to peace if need be". Experts believe the defense potential of both Caucasian enemy countries to be quite comparable. Azerbaijani possess certain advantage in terms of quantity, while Armenians are better at maintaining and reforming their troops. For instance, Azerbaijani armed forces number 67 thousand people, while air forces comprise 37 planes, 23 of them being MiG-25 planes. In Armenian army, there are 39 thousand people and air forces comprise 20 Mig-25 and SU-25 planes.

Russian troops provide considerable technical support to Yerevan in forcing the obstinate to peace, while Azerbaijan, which has spent the whole revenue gained from oil sale on weapon, will find itself in a position of "one man no man" in case of a war.

Negotiations with Turkey on setting up a military base in Nakhichevan have come to a deadlock. Nakhichevan is an autonomy cut from Azerbaijan by Armenian territories.

Besides, Baku believes that the game is not worth the candle. The military base is going to enhance Ankara's already strong influence in the region and the autonomy may gradually move westwards, to Turkey. Besides, the Turkish base in Nakhichevan will hardly change the balance: Turks are hardly going to fight Russians in Karabakh fronts.

Anyway, Armenia is the regional military leader. As was noted by an Armenian politician, "What we get for free Baku gets for billions of dollars".

And he is absolutely right here. In the context of Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and cooperation with Russia in the defense field, Armenia managed to provide itself with weapon not for one but for several future wars. Here are only some of the results of Armenian army rearmament available in the media: C-125, Krug and Buk ADMSs, two dozens of Tochka and Tochka-U tactic missile systems and many others.

Armenia so much wanted to retain hold of the won Nagorny Karabakh and another seven buffer regions that it achieved quite impressive results in its own defensive policy. Its security is protected by two armies at once, its own army and Russian army; cooperation with NATO is in full swing and membership in CSTO enables it to reequip the army almost at no cost. A smart rival like that is obviously a hard nut to crack for Azerbaijan.

Anton Krivenuk

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenia is almost permanently facing the menace of war. However, the subtle state policy made possible to achieve incredible results: both Russia and NATO take part in the country's protection. Russian military base located in the town of Gumri became part of Southern Military District, having settled against the dull background of Armenian landscape until 2044. However, cooperation with NATO remains a priority for Armenian defense in the long-term outlook.

Russian base in Gumri has become part of Southern Military District as a result of the RF administrative division reform. Only four military districts have been established instead of the initially planned six ones. Southern District includes all the Russian military bases in the Caucasus located beyond the country frontiers. Besides Gumri, these are bases in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

The military base in Armenia performs the same functions as the similar strategic objects in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The theory and practice of the Gumri base operation was taken by the newly-recognized states as a basis.

Yerevan achieved great success in creating a defense system at someone else's expense. However, Armenians did not forget about their own armed forces. Now they've got everything: Russian troops guarding the entire perimeter of the Armenian border, NATO, which is necessary to cool Baku down and, of course, their own mission capable army.

Cooperation with Russia in the field of defense is sure a priority for Yerevan. According to the latest social research, 90% of Armenian citizens support the agreement on the Russian military base presence in the territory of the country until 2044.

Sure, for the base in Gumri has been set up not for mere intimidation: it also performs the function of guarding the border with Turkey and now the whole perimeter of the country. It means that Russian troops are to take over the watch along the border with Azerbaijan in the nearest future. So far, no one can imagine the way it will look like, for there is no clearly marked border with Azerbaijan on the map. Having won the Karabakh war, Armenians shifted the border no less than one hundred kilometers eastward.

Wherever the Russian troops are dislocated, Armenians will get another defensive echelon in case of an unexpected intrusion or anything worse, such intrusion being always possible in a powder keg like Armenia because of the Karabakh conflict.

These days, Baku and Yerevan have exchanged harsh statements. On Sunday, President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev again stated that Baku is capable of solving the Karabakh problem by force at any time and the next day, Minister of Defense of Armenia Seiran Oganyan retorted: "Armenian army will force Azerbaijan to peace if need be". Experts believe the defense potential of both Caucasian enemy countries to be quite comparable. Azerbaijani possess certain advantage in terms of quantity, while Armenians are better at maintaining and reforming their troops. For instance, Azerbaijani armed forces number 67 thousand people, while air forces comprise 37 planes, 23 of them being MiG-25 planes. In Armenian army, there are 39 thousand people and air forces comprise 20 Mig-25 and SU-25 planes.

Russian troops provide considerable technical support to Yerevan in forcing the obstinate to peace, while Azerbaijan, which has spent the whole revenue gained from oil sale on weapon, will find itself in a position of "one man no man" in case of a war.

Negotiations with Turkey on setting up a military base in Nakhichevan have come to a deadlock. Nakhichevan is an autonomy cut from Azerbaijan by Armenian territories.

Besides, Baku believes that the game is not worth the candle. The military base is going to enhance Ankara's already strong influence in the region and the autonomy may gradually move westwards, to Turkey. Besides, the Turkish base in Nakhichevan will hardly change the balance: Turks are hardly going to fight Russians in Karabakh fronts.

Anyway, Armenia is the regional military leader. As was noted by an Armenian politician, "What we get for free Baku gets for billions of dollars".

And he is absolutely right here. In the context of Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and cooperation with Russia in the defense field, Armenia managed to provide itself with weapon not for one but for several future wars. Here are only some of the results of Armenian army rearmament available in the media: C-125, Krug and Buk ADMSs, two dozens of Tochka and Tochka-U tactic missile systems and many others.

Armenia so much wanted to retain hold of the won Nagorny Karabakh and another seven buffer regions that it achieved quite impressive results in its own defensive policy. Its security is protected by two armies at once, its own army and Russian army; cooperation with NATO is in full swing and membership in CSTO enables it to reequip the army almost at no cost. A smart rival like that is obviously a hard nut to crack for Azerbaijan.

Anton Krivenuk

Very great article.

And others can stop speculating because we will "never" what Armenian armed forces will acquire. Could be even a nuke and missiles to deliver it to Ankara and Stanboul?

[ArmeniaSacra]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenia is almost permanently facing the menace of war. However, the subtle state policy made possible to achieve incredible results: both Russia and NATO take part in the country's protection. Russian military base located in the town of Gumri became part of Southern Military District, having settled against the dull background of Armenian landscape until 2044. However, cooperation with NATO remains a priority for Armenian defense in the long-term outlook.

Russian base in Gumri has become part of Southern Military District as a result of the RF administrative division reform. Only four military districts have been established instead of the initially planned six ones. Southern District includes all the Russian military bases in the Caucasus located beyond the country frontiers. Besides Gumri, these are bases in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

The military base in Armenia performs the same functions as the similar strategic objects in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The theory and practice of the Gumri base operation was taken by the newly-recognized states as a basis.

Yerevan achieved great success in creating a defense system at someone else's expense. However, Armenians did not forget about their own armed forces. Now they've got everything: Russian troops guarding the entire perimeter of the Armenian border, NATO, which is necessary to cool Baku down and, of course, their own mission capable army.

Cooperation with Russia in the field of defense is sure a priority for Yerevan. According to the latest social research, 90% of Armenian citizens support the agreement on the Russian military base presence in the territory of the country until 2044.

Sure, for the base in Gumri has been set up not for mere intimidation: it also performs the function of guarding the border with Turkey and now the whole perimeter of the country. It means that Russian troops are to take over the watch along the border with Azerbaijan in the nearest future. So far, no one can imagine the way it will look like, for there is no clearly marked border with Azerbaijan on the map. Having won the Karabakh war, Armenians shifted the border no less than one hundred kilometers eastward.

Wherever the Russian troops are dislocated, Armenians will get another defensive echelon in case of an unexpected intrusion or anything worse, such intrusion being always possible in a powder keg like Armenia because of the Karabakh conflict.

These days, Baku and Yerevan have exchanged harsh statements. On Sunday, President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev again stated that Baku is capable of solving the Karabakh problem by force at any time and the next day, Minister of Defense of Armenia Seiran Oganyan retorted: "Armenian army will force Azerbaijan to peace if need be". Experts believe the defense potential of both Caucasian enemy countries to be quite comparable. Azerbaijani possess certain advantage in terms of quantity, while Armenians are better at maintaining and reforming their troops. For instance, Azerbaijani armed forces number 67 thousand people, while air forces comprise 37 planes, 23 of them being MiG-25 planes. In Armenian army, there are 39 thousand people and air forces comprise 20 Mig-25 and SU-25 planes.

Russian troops provide considerable technical support to Yerevan in forcing the obstinate to peace, while Azerbaijan, which has spent the whole revenue gained from oil sale on weapon, will find itself in a position of "one man no man" in case of a war.

Negotiations with Turkey on setting up a military base in Nakhichevan have come to a deadlock. Nakhichevan is an autonomy cut from Azerbaijan by Armenian territories.

Besides, Baku believes that the game is not worth the candle. The military base is going to enhance Ankara's already strong influence in the region and the autonomy may gradually move westwards, to Turkey. Besides, the Turkish base in Nakhichevan will hardly change the balance: Turks are hardly going to fight Russians in Karabakh fronts.

Anyway, Armenia is the regional military leader. As was noted by an Armenian politician, "What we get for free Baku gets for billions of dollars".

And he is absolutely right here. In the context of Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and cooperation with Russia in the defense field, Armenia managed to provide itself with weapon not for one but for several future wars. Here are only some of the results of Armenian army rearmament available in the media: C-125, Krug and Buk ADMSs, two dozens of Tochka and Tochka-U tactic missile systems and many others.

Armenia so much wanted to retain hold of the won Nagorny Karabakh and another seven buffer regions that it achieved quite impressive results in its own defensive policy. Its security is protected by two armies at once, its own army and Russian army; cooperation with NATO is in full swing and membership in CSTO enables it to reequip the army almost at no cost. A smart rival like that is obviously a hard nut to crack for Azerbaijan.

Anton Krivenuk

I think this article is quite inaccurate...The azeri Army is larger than 67,000 i think...and The Armenian army no way has 20 MiG-25s and Su-25s!...and since when do we have Buk anti aircraft systems??

[Vahram]

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"nuke and missiles to deliver it to Ankara and Stanboul? "

Inch love gela

[bell-the-cat]

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I think this article is quite inaccurate...

True, and who anywhere has seriously stated that "Russian troops are to take over the watch along the border with Azerbaijan in the nearest future"? It is the sort of thing that Azeri propagandists might falsely claim when attempting to gain support from the extreme right in America. And the Russians in their bases at Gyumri are hundreds of miles from any future front-line conflict in Nagorno Karabakh and will always remain that way (unless Azerbaijan is exceedingly stupid and targets them).

[Hovo]

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Zinuj - January 29, 2012